USC and UCLA to the Big Ten!

[Simisoccerfan]

For Women's soccer its not so much the flight time since Oregon/Washington are a bit of a trip but adding in the time zone change. Roll this out 3 years and the Big Ten and the SEC leave the NCAA and no longer need to fund women's sports. Crazy times.

 

[espola]

PAC12's Wikipedia page already has this entry --

"The PAC-12 dissolved on 30 June 2022 after USC and UCLA joined the Big 10. The remaining 10 teams split up into the ACC and the Big 12."

From a soccer perspective, SDSU's men's soccer team plays as a non-member affiliate for soccer only. I wonder how that will turn out. SDSU has in the past turned down an opportunity for its men's soccer to join the Big West, and new teams have been added (UCSD and Bakersfield), so that ship has sailed.

 

[dk_b]

For Women's soccer its not so much the flight time since Oregon/Washington are a bit of a trip but adding in the time zone change. Roll this out 3 years and the Big Ten and the SEC leave the NCAA and no longer need to fund women's sports. Crazy times.

Wrote this to a friend:

Imagine this 2 weekend road trip for the LA schools: at Maryland and Rutgers on Thur and Sun of weekend 1 and at UM and MSU on Thurs and Sun of weekend 2. Now, if the rumors are true and Oregon is to follow, imagine that but flying from Eugene with far fewer direct flights. Or choose either of those pairs and add in a different midwestern swing (say Wisconsin and Northwestern) to just knock out different time zones (since MI is also Eastern). The veil of "student-athletes" is completely torn off in this scenario (more than it already is, especially in the non-revenue sports). Missed class, sleep disruption, connecting flight/weather delays, etc.

 

[crush]

Wrote this to a friend:

Imagine this 2 weekend road trip for the LA schools: at Maryland and Rutgers on Thur and Sun of weekend 1 and at UM and MSU on Thurs and Sun of weekend 2. Now, if the rumors are true and Oregon is to follow, imagine that but flying from Eugene with far fewer direct flights. Or choose either of those pairs and add in a different midwestern swing (say Wisconsin and Northwestern) to just knock out different time zones (since MI is also Eastern). The veil of "student-athletes" is completely torn off in this scenario (more than it already is, especially in the non-revenue sports). Missed class, sleep disruption, connecting flight/weather delays, etc.

I was talking to a very good friend and he's not happy at all with this.

 

[Simisoccerfan]

The glacier is melting and no one is willing to do what it takes to stop it.

 

[dk_b]

One Oregon rumor I saw was SEC. How about that travel? Easy peasy for … football. That’s about it.

 

[oh canada]

 

[SoccerFan4Life]

Unfortunately the rest of the pac 10 athletic programs will suffer significantly. Someone will ask the question at the highest US court level about the actual focus for these schools. Are they here to educate students or to make athletic program money at any cost

 

[Brav520]

For Women's soccer its not so much the flight time since Oregon/Washington are a bit of a trip but adding in the time zone change. Roll this out 3 years and the Big Ten and the SEC leave the NCAA and no longer need to fund women's sports. Crazy times.

certainly possible , though my guess is you essentially have 2 super conferences and these other sports are kept a float for the time being with massive TV college football deals

I think , especially for Big 10 they add a couple more Pac 12 teams and some from the Big 12 . The travel for UCLA and USC is brutal as it stands right now

SEC grabs some ACC schools

The TV money is really only because maybe 10 elite college football programs . I guess it’s possible Bama and Ohio State football say screw this , let’s start our own conference and get a bigger piece of the tv pie money. I think and am hopeful we are years away from that

 

[Grace T.]

Unfortunately the rest of the pac 10 athletic programs will suffer significantly. Someone will ask the question at the highest US court level about the actual focus for these schools. Are they here to educate students or to make athletic program money at any cost

There’s been some discussion and idea floating of separating mens football and basketball and professionalizing them. This, for the reasons you outline, will likely heighten that possibility.

 

[crush]

I think the Pac 10 and Big West should combo up for a super conference. New name will be the, "Big Pac West." Stay local and play local.

 

[oh canada]

For Women's soccer its not so much the flight time since Oregon/Washington are a bit of a trip but adding in the time zone change. Roll this out 3 years and the Big Ten and the SEC leave the NCAA and no longer need to fund women's sports. Crazy times.

I think you're on to something here. This makes sense because the programs doing this are solely motivated by $$ (even though they tell you they're doing it for all student athletes).

Establish the two power conferences and then separate men's football and basketball from the NCAA's rules and oversight by establishing your own leagues. That will allow them to take those programs out of the Title 9 scholarships math, and thereby eliminate womens sports programs, all of which lose money.

Youth sports clubs definitely have their eyes on future moves (especially on the girls side). If the number of college scholarship opportunities significantly reduces, look for parents to move all that money and time to academic pursuits or outdoors/adventure summer camps -- a much better use of family funds for longterm development of our children.

College olympic sports programs (including soccer) will need to be funded by private fundraising collectives or face elimination. It's already happening in volleyball and other college sports.

 

[espola]

I think you're on to something here. This makes sense because the programs doing this are solely motivated by $$ (even though they tell you they're doing it for all student athletes).

Establish the two power conferences and then separate men's football and basketball from the NCAA's rules and oversight by establishing your own leagues. That will allow them to take those programs out of the Title 9 scholarships math, and thereby eliminate womens sports programs, all of which lose money.

Youth sports clubs definitely have their eyes on future moves (especially on the girls side). If the number of college scholarship opportunities significantly reduces, look for parents to move all that money and time to academic pursuits or outdoors/adventure summer camps -- a much better use of family funds for longterm development of our children.

College olympic sports programs (including soccer) will need to be funded by private fundraising collectives or face elimination. It's already happening in volleyball and other college sports.

"to take those programs out of the Title 9 scholarships math" will not be as simple as just declaring it so.

 

[socalkdg]

Establish the two power conferences and then separate men's football and basketball from the NCAA's rules and oversight by establishing your own leagues. That will allow them to take those programs out of the Title 9 scholarships math, and thereby eliminate womens sports programs, all of which lose money.

Title IX doesn't require a school to be part of the NCAA. It prohibits sex-based discrimination in any school or other education program that receives funding from the federal government. So if they can completely divest from any govt. money, then you might be able to do something, the question though would research money from federal sources that go to a school like UCLA (over a billion per year in research money) count, grants, would state money that was funded by some federal money count, just don't see it. Below is most profitable schools for football. Doesn't compare to the federal government provided direct funding to California public higher education institutions through several rounds of stimulus packages, at a total of about $2 billion for the community colleges, $1.5 billion for CSU, and just under $1 billion for UC. This was stimulus money in just for 2021. Nationwide colleges get over a Trillion dollars per year.

NCAA or no NCAA, if they receive federal money they must follow Title IX.

Texas – $92 million
Tennessee – $70 million
LSU – $58 million
Michigan – $56 million
Notre Dame – $54 million
Georgia – $50 million
Ohio State – $50 million
Oklahoma – $48 million
Auburn – $47 million
Alabama – $46 million
Oregon – $40 million
Florida State – $39 million
Arkansas – $38 million
Washington – $38 million
Florida – $37 million
Texas A&M – $37 million
Penn State – $36 million
Michigan State – $32 million
USC – $29 million
South Carolina – $28 million

 

[dk_b]

Title IX doesn't require a school to be part of the NCAA. It prohibits sex-based discrimination in any school or other education program that receives funding from the federal government. So if they can completely divest from any govt. money, then you might be able to do something, the question though would research money from federal sources that go to a school like UCLA (over a billion per year in research money) count, grants, would state money that was funded by some federal money count, just don't see it. Below is most profitable schools for football. Doesn't compare to the federal government provided direct funding to California public higher education institutions through several rounds of stimulus packages, at a total of about $2 billion for the community colleges, $1.5 billion for CSU, and just under $1 billion for UC. This was stimulus money in just for 2021. Nationwide colleges get over a Trillion dollars per year.

NCAA or no NCAA, if they receive federal money they must follow Title IX.

Texas – $92 million
Tennessee – $70 million
LSU – $58 million
Michigan – $56 million
Notre Dame – $54 million
Georgia – $50 million
Ohio State – $50 million
Oklahoma – $48 million
Auburn – $47 million
Alabama – $46 million
Oregon – $40 million
Florida State – $39 million
Arkansas – $38 million
Washington – $38 million
Florida – $37 million
Texas A&M – $37 million
Penn State – $36 million
Michigan State – $32 million
USC – $29 million
South Carolina – $28 million

Was going to something similar but w/o this excellent detail. It will be very difficult for any major college to exempt itself from TIX.

 

[Brav520]

If these schools do breakaway from the NCAA, at least what I’ve heard on some podcast this week it’s to have some rules and regulations regarding NiL and the transfer portal ( which kinda go hand and hand in college football ). NCAA has basically said it’s up to states from what I’ve read and heard

obviously Saban hates that he can”t stockpile 3 deep at every position nowadays

How much did USC pay for that Pitt receiver , or I’m sorry a booster pay?

The only person that I’ve heard mentioning sports being cut , particularly women is Ziegler in the San Diego Trib

Cutting womens sports , that’s seems like a political disaster , now non revenue mens sports maybe that’s possible

 

[oh canada]

Title IX doesn't require a school to be part of the NCAA. It prohibits sex-based discrimination in any school or other education program that receives funding from the federal government. So if they can completely divest from any govt. money, then you might be able to do something, the question though would research money from federal sources that go to a school like UCLA (over a billion per year in research money) count, grants, would state money that was funded by some federal money count, just don't see it. Below is most profitable schools for football. Doesn't compare to the federal government provided direct funding to California public higher education institutions through several rounds of stimulus packages, at a total of about $2 billion for the community colleges, $1.5 billion for CSU, and just under $1 billion for UC. This was stimulus money in just for 2021. Nationwide colleges get over a Trillion dollars per year.

NCAA or no NCAA, if they receive federal money they must follow Title IX.

Texas – $92 million
Tennessee – $70 million
LSU – $58 million
Michigan – $56 million
Notre Dame – $54 million
Georgia – $50 million
Ohio State – $50 million
Oklahoma – $48 million
Auburn – $47 million
Alabama – $46 million
Oregon – $40 million
Florida State – $39 million
Arkansas – $38 million
Washington – $38 million
Florida – $37 million
Texas A&M – $37 million
Penn State – $36 million
Michigan State – $32 million
USC – $29 million
South Carolina – $28 million

True, but the 85 "headcount" college football scholarships would be taken out of the Title 9 math. As would the 13 headcounts for mens basketball. Cover the men and women on the track and field team, and you're clear of any Title 9 violations.

 

[dk_b]

True, but the 85 "headcount" college football scholarships would be taken out of the Title 9 math. As would the 13 headcounts for mens basketball. Cover the men and women on the track and field team, and you're clear of any Title 9 violations.

I'm not following. Why would those scholarships be taken out? Unless the funding is coming from a source other than the school, the governing body will be irrelevant. If the school is offering programs, the school will still have to go through equivalency math.

 

[espola]

True, but the 85 "headcount" college football scholarships would be taken out of the Title 9 math. As would the 13 headcounts for mens basketball. Cover the men and women on the track and field team, and you're clear of any Title 9 violations.

So what then will be the connection between the Semiprofessional Football Team Formerly Known as USC Trojans and USC? Will they wear school colors? Will the players all be required to be students in good standing at USC? Will USC give favored admissions status to high-school football players who show promise? Will the marching band and Tommy Trojan still perform for the crowd?

 

[oh canada]

Unless the funding is coming from a source other than the school

Yup. Instead of the school offering scholarships, the booster collectives will pay the football players. That saves the school Title 9 money matching. We are already back to the days of SMU, but now everything is over the table, not under. You realize QBs are getting 7figure payments, right? Average players are getting $50-100K.

If you needed to be reminded, there's no money in US soccer