It should be enough that they aren’t slaves anymore. They should be happy the Klan and the police aren’t killing them at nearly the same rate as when America used to be great?
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It should be enough that they aren’t slaves anymore. They should be happy the Klan and the police aren’t killing them at nearly the same rate as when America used to be great?
Buddhabman
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For the 18000th time his protest isn't about the flag. Look up the story of why Colin Kaepernick decided to kneel. Nate Boyer, Army Ranger suggested he do so. 4 years ago, if people had paid attention, intead of mocking him and making this an unnecessary Culture War, we would not be here with more dead African Americans at the hands of police.
Buddhabman
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Serious question. Aren't people who kneel during the playing of the national anthem in fact doing so as a tactic for the express purpose of eliciting outrage? But for the outrage, how would kneeling during the anthem draw attention to anything? If nobody cared that it was being done, would it have been a good tool to choose? I completely agree that the purpose of the protest has nothing to do with the flag or the military or the anthem for many (others have refused to sing the anthem because they find it, and particularly certain parts of the long form of it, to be racist - it may be about the anthem itself among other things to them, which I find to be perfectly reasonable in that case). But the use of the anthem was an intentional tool to offend people and through that response draw attention to the point of the protest. If Nate Boyer says sitting would not be OK, but kneeling is and Kaepernick accepts that view and thus kneels, would sitting then have made the protest about the flag instead of about police brutality and racial injustice? Why am I am dumbass if I think the tactic is disrespectful? Is Boyer a dumbass because he disagreed with sitting?
Might Sgt. Carney disagree with kneeling? Seems to me like Sgt. Carney would have pretty good standing to take a position on this issue. Maybe he would disagree, maybe he wouldn't. But given his effort to keep the flag off the ground, I think there is a good chance it wouldn't be his preferred tactic. People can reject a tactic without rejecting an idea or a message. I can think murdering George Floyd was disgusting, vicious and criminal and still think burning down business in his name is a bad tactic. And if enough people reject a tactic, it doesn't move forward the idea. I believe in a person's right to burn the flag, spit on the flag, desecrate the flag; it is part of what makes America different and better than those other countries around the world that will, today, kill a person and imprison that person's family for doing it. That doesn't mean I don't wish the athletes who are going to kneel in the future would choose a less divisive tactic. And the more who kneel, the less outrageous it will be, the more numb to it people will become, and the more hardened and closed minded some people will be to the real subject of the protest on the basis of the tactic alone. For many, it gives them an excuse to deflect the real point. Racial justice and equality will require a collective effort across many segments of society. My view is that the ball is moved further, faster and in a more sustainable manner with more collective action, more buy in across those many segments and more respect for each other. Is kneeling accomplishing anything productive? Is shaming Drew Brees accomplishing anything productive? What made a difference in the last two weeks was not Kaepernick or Rapinoe or looting or burning buildings or public contrition from celebrities. What made a difference was the revulsion at seeing George Floyd die as he did and the utter indifference to his life on the face of Chauvin. Kaepernick's socks are a distraction, not a message - at least to those people who do not already agree with him, and isn't it those other people whose minds need to open and change in order to effect the desired outcomes? Otherwise, why would protest be necessary?
I doubt that the America of today is the America that Sgt. Carney was fighting to achieve. The America of his day surely wasn't. But the America he hoped for, well, that's different. That's remarkable. That's aspirational. That is something I wish all of us would hope for and treat with respect. I suppose it comes down to whether people see the flag is a symbol of what America has been or is today as an end product or whether they see it as a symbol of a set of ideas that we should continue to work to achieve. I understand that the lived experience of many causes them to feel differently about the flag than I do. It doesn't make them dumbasses in my mind. It just means I see it differently. I am not sure why it should make me a dumbass or a racist in theirs. My view of America doesn't give me license to take its ideals for granted or to be indifferent if other people do not have the opportunity to live under it with the same safety and opportunity that I do. Making that better in the ways that I can is my responsibility and an obligation to my view of what the flag represents. America isn't perfect, but I still love it, would die protecting it and, most importantly, hope for and believe in its future.
The Outlaw *BANNED*
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The restaurant is already on fire and some black dude pretends a white woman is trying to set it. Can you not see how bright it is inside the fucking place while she stands there? That's not from a dumpster fire outside, moron.
I guess, if he REALLY had a problem with it, he'd turn off his phone and stop her.
The Outlaw *BANNED*
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How should they feel about the fact that they kill each other 7 times per day; everyday?
The Outlaw *BANNED*
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Colin decided to kneel because he got benched. He decided to show his afro so people realized he might be black. Then he started doing black charity work so people wouldn't call him out on his bullshit.
The Outlaw *BANNED*
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Uh, when you start making idiotic demands, reparations, etc, that is revenge.
I love the sign, though. Excuse me... "played in the park"? Are we talking about Tamir Rice? Is there ANYONE knowledgeable about the case that believes he was just "playing in the park"? Seriously?
Buddhabman
SILVER ELITE
I am still not sure why kneeling is so offensive, but police misconduct is tolerated. Obviously people cared about the kneeling as a protest form. It registered for many as bringing long overdue attention to police abuse, excessive force and police violence. To me it seems those aligned with defending the flags honor, really could give a shit about police misconduct. Thats an issue, where defending the honor of a flag or pre-recorded anthem is more essential to some than figuring out ways to increase equality in law and justice.
So I applaud you research on the numerous African American war heroes. I can't speak for Sgt. Carney, nor can you. But I do know that the newly commissioned 4 Star Air Force Command Staff General has concerns about equality in law and justice.
So I don't have time to touch on everything you mentioned, but these are the first points .
So I applaud you research on the numerous African American war heroes. I can't speak for Sgt. Carney, nor can you. But I do know that the newly commissioned 4 Star Air Force Command Staff General has concerns about equality in law and justice.
So I don't have time to touch on everything you mentioned, but these are the first points .
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Kneeling is even more offensive because it's Kaeperprick, who is a total fraud, and the reason he did it. For starters, he just played the race card because of his own, failing career. Second, most Americans don't support criminals that died because they resisted arrest while refusing to put down a knife, reached for a cop's gun, tried to run over a cop, etc. There is NO accountability from a certain group of criminal sympathizers and that's the part you might be missing.
Buddhabman
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Reparations is repayment for land, money, lives contracts stolen and broken. Revenge would be kicking the everliving shit out of all racists.
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Nobody alive today is a slave owner and you weren't a slave. There aren't going to be any reparations. You won't kick the shit out of anybody, either. Well, you might put a gun to the belly of a pregnant black woman while you rob her, but all the stealing actually kills 2 birds with 1 stone. There's your reparations and shit kicking. How about just acknowledging this country is full of successful black people that made it without excuses?
And while you're going after racists, you can start with the black community. They represent a very large population of offenders.
Buddhabman
SILVER ELITE
You are a bigot troll. You can go away and fuck off. This is a website about soccer, and you have consistently displayed your bigotry. KMA clown
Who said that? Neither of us believe it.
You did say that “[Sgt. Carney] died for equality and his country isn’t even close after more than 150 years. “. That statement simply isn’t true. By the standards Carney would have known, the country is amazingly equal.
If you are going to make a historical comparison, first take the time to learn about the history. Comparing racism today to racism in 1870 is kind of absurd. It’s not even apples to oranges. More like currants to watermelons.
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Another one that lacks accountability in his DNA. "It's a website about soccer..", yet here you are posting about reparations, kneeling and Kaeperprick. You still wondering why nobody takes it seriously?
met61
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Serious question, how would you identify who was a racist? Specifically, what criteria and selection process would you use to identify them?
met61
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...and your mistake is thinking lefties are capable of critical thinking and intellectual honesty. They're a waste of time and cells.
Buddhabman
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Buddhabman
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Oklahoma can start with paying back.
Ta-Nehisi Coates says it best.
Ta-Nehisi Coates says it best.
Buddhabman
SILVER ELITE
Now history, social studies over, back to soccer