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EOTL said:
Murdering black people shows neither character nor class. Supporting police officers who murder black people shows neither character nor class. Whining about people opposing police officers murdering black people shows neither character nor class.

You are definitely the one missing the point. I am pointing out what is actually happening and why. You are whining about people not doing what you want, which is to let you continue living in a fantasyland in which you think police don’t murder black people, and black people have equal opportunity. I know it’s inconvenient for you that the police murder black people. I know the reality that the U.S. is permeated with systemic and institutional racism doesn’t line up with your idea of that the U.S. is so great. Too bad snowflake, cuz people gonna kneel and burn down Wendys regardless of how much you whine.
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My dd is 50% Native American EOTL. I showed her all the things you wrote about her and me. You can say sorry now and all will be forgiven. I already forgave you so no worries from me at all. I'm glad you show some care for others. Let's also have the same righteous indignation for the mistreatment of all woman, even the Native woman who were treated super bad dude. No politics to blame. Just the men f up dude!!! Your right, we have lots to clean up in this country and it will only get fixed if the men, yes the men, stand up and lead the right way. I put this on the men in this country and how they have behaved. Look at us on this forum.

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Soccer43 said:
She did not risk anything by kneeling. She wasn’t going to lose her spot on the team or her salary. In fact she got a lot of attention for herself and celebrity status for her theatrics. No one has had a counter argument to my original statement. What has she actually done with her time, status or money to support real change in our country? What real effort or programs has she started or initiated? All she does is make statements about hating the president. I do agree, just stop playing the anthem at professional games but require respect shown to our country when playing on a team that is there to represent our country. If you think this country is so hateful and evil then go to another country that you think is better. I see none of these women protesting or making statements about countries that allow beating, stoning, or mutilating women.
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"You don't know what you don't know"!
 
toucan said:
Even the most patriotic among us agree that non-violent resistance is an appropriate method of fighting injustice.

Gandhi said that the purpose of non-violent resistance is to provoke a response. Some members of this Board engage in savage denouncement of kneeling. This tells me that the Kneelers are winning, because some of our members have been provoked in exactly the manner expected.

The argument that kneeling during the National Anthem is "unpatriotic" is a pretext. The real reason for denouncing kneelers is that some people just don’t want to be confronted with a pattern of injustice that still exists in America, and therefore use “patriotism” an excuse to ban the practice.

I am not a Kneeler, by the way. But I respect those who, without resort to violence, take personal, social and financial risks in service of equal rights.
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Wrong.
What do the kneelers want? Exactly.
 
EOTL said:
You’ve never lived until you’ve shown some respect for those who’ve been murdered by racist cops. Life has a flavor that racists will never know.
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When are you going to give a shit about the other 90% killed by each other? Is it racist to call out black on black murders? Ax'ing for a homey.
 
EOTL said:
Murdering black people shows neither character nor class. Supporting police officers who murder black people shows neither character nor class. Whining about people opposing police officers murdering black people shows neither character nor class.

You are definitely the one missing the point. I am pointing out what is actually happening and why. You are whining about people not doing what you want, which is to let you continue living in a fantasyland in which you think police don’t murder black people, and black people have equal opportunity. I know it’s inconvenient for you that the police murder black people. I know the reality that the U.S. is permeated with systemic and institutional racism doesn’t line up with your idea of that the U.S. is so great. Too bad snowflake, cuz people gonna kneel and burn down Wendys regardless of how much you whine.
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You’re a liar, at least that’s out in the open, comrade.
 
The Outlaw said:
Yeah... because violence has worked so well to get the point across from the "cerebral" folks.
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Indeed. In exchange for just a few bricks and matches, Chauvin and many of his racist cop buddies are now facing murder charges and many others have been fired, many police departments are being defunded, a bunch of racist confederate statues have been torn down, and patriotic athletes all across the U.S. can now take a knee. Even NASCAR and Lady A have gotten into the action. Violence is working great thank you very much.
 
Protest is good. Criticism of one’s own country is how we’re going to get to a better world. John Lennon said, just give me some truth! The boat has to get rocked. Pick a country. Imagine if the Mexican national team players felt safe enough to non violently protest the racism and inequality of their homeland. We would probably support that. I would personally feel proud of them for doing so, maybe even secretly root for them for one game.
 
EOTL said:
Indeed. In exchange for just a few bricks and matches, Chauvin and many of his racist cop buddies are now facing murder charges and many others have been fired, many police departments are being defunded, a bunch of racist confederate statues have been torn down, and patriotic athletes all across the U.S. can now take a knee. Even NASCAR and Lady A have gotten into the action. Violence is working great thank you very much.
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How many dead, EOTL?

How many died as the result of the violence you praise?
 
The Outlaw said:
When are you going to give a shit about the other 90% killed by each other? Is it racist to call out black on black murders? Ax'ing for a homey.
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You and Sheriff Joe miss the point and clearly don't care to even try to. The protest are against racism and for JUSTICE to be served. If a black killed another black, or anyone of any color killed a police officer, the killer will be underneath the jail. The system works for those cases.

When looking at stats that more police killed whites than blacks, etc, 2 things we need to consider:

1) the white population is more than 5x the black population in the US (from US Census)
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2) How many of these murders, if any, resulted in convictions of wrong doing (even with video)?
 
Zen said:
You and Sheriff Joe miss the point and clearly don't care to even try to. The protest are against racism and for JUSTICE to be served. If a black killed another black, or anyone of any color killed a police officer, the killer will be underneath the jail. The system works for those cases.

When looking at stats that more police killed whites than blacks, etc, 2 things we need to consider:

1) the white population is more than 5x the black population in the US (from US Census)
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2) How many of these murders, if any, resulted in convictions of wrong doing (even with video)?
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Do you think I think cops unjustly killing blacks is ok?
 
EOTL said:
Indeed. In exchange for just a few bricks and matches, Chauvin and many of his racist cop buddies are now facing murder charges and many others have been fired, many police departments are being defunded, a bunch of racist confederate statues have been torn down, and patriotic athletes all across the U.S. can now take a knee. Even NASCAR and Lady A have gotten into the action. Violence is working great thank you very much.
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And 5 days from no nobody will give a shit and America will go back to realizing what a joke all this face political correctness is.
 
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