Not for the national or olympic teams. Competing for one's country is the entire point. The MLS is a private organization....if they want to say players don't need to stand for the national anthem that's one thing. But for international competitions they will play it, and given the standard set that the US flag dips for no one in international competitions, players shouldn't kneel.
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Not for the national or olympic teams. Competing for one's country is the entire point. The MLS is a private organization....if they want to say players don't need to stand for the national anthem that's one thing. But for international competitions they will play it, and given the standard set that the US flag dips for no one in international competitions, players shouldn't kneel.
I’m pretty sure a flag doesn’t care whether someone kneels at a soccer game. It is an inanimate object after all.
Either the 1st Amendment applies and a soccer player can do whatever the f**k she wants, or it doesn’t apply and US Soccer can do whatever the f**k it wants. Ha ha. They have as much right to kneel as you do to say stupid things at a soccer forum.
I think your argument is disingenuous. I don't think anything would ever be enough for you. A Twitter hashtag, a t-shirt, kneeling for the national anthem. What you really want is for people you don't agree with to shut up and stop causing your mental discomfort.
If you want to make a meaningful stance, kick bigots off the national team forever. I know just who to start with.
Amazingly, I partly agree with your assessment that kneeling is not adequately getting the point across. If we are ever going to have meaningful change, I think it’s gonna take a lot more bricks.
met61
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…or your right to be a parasite amounting to nothing more than a shit stain on the fabric of a Great Nation.
You’ve never lived until you’ve almost died, for those who’ve fought for it, life has a flavor the protected will never know.
met61
GOLD
Bingo...enough said.
Right wingers squirm when shown power that is why many are closet masocists. This is why they adore things like flag, anthem, religion, monarchy, race and military. The lower classes among them believe that their sacrifice is worth it as long as it is done for the good of the nation, race or religion. The poor right wing white guy is fine being poor as long as he is helping another white guy be rich. The ideal right winger is a facist.
Left wingers are the oppressed working class. They tend to hate power and wants all to be equal. They do not see racial war. Instead they see class warfare. The system is rigged that the lower classes will be exploited to serve the higher social class. They believe the lower class should unite to topple the ruling class and races should unite. Race warfare is a tool used by the ruling class to divide up the masses. The ideal left winger is a communist.
Thank God the USA sided with the Communists during WWII to defeat the fascists.
When it comes to kneeling during anthem you can be sure it will split based on ideological lines. Texas v Johnson already decided flag burning is first amendment. No way kneeling is not.
Left wingers are the oppressed working class. They tend to hate power and wants all to be equal. They do not see racial war. Instead they see class warfare. The system is rigged that the lower classes will be exploited to serve the higher social class. They believe the lower class should unite to topple the ruling class and races should unite. Race warfare is a tool used by the ruling class to divide up the masses. The ideal left winger is a communist.
Thank God the USA sided with the Communists during WWII to defeat the fascists.
When it comes to kneeling during anthem you can be sure it will split based on ideological lines. Texas v Johnson already decided flag burning is first amendment. No way kneeling is not.
An interesting point of Texas v Johnson is that Justice Antonin Scalia voted with the 5-4 majority to protect flag burning as symbolic speech.
The National Anthem should be played at every sporting event in the greatest country in the world. If you don't want to sing along, or hold your hand over your heart I'm ok with that. But you sure as hell better be standing. To kneel is a direct slap in the face to anyone who has ever put a uniform on and served our country and provided you with the very freedom you enjoy. An even bigger insult to those who made the Ultimate Sacrifice in the pursuit of that freedom. I think burning the flag should be outlawed as well. If you think this country is so bad, you can pack your bags any time and hit the road. Send us a postcard from your country of origin and tell us how things are working out for you. As far as professional athletes from other countries playing here, they need to stand as well. If they are willing to come here and collect the American Dollar, they better be prepared to stand for our flag.
Any member from any sport's National or Olympic Teams should be required to sign a contract stating such. No signing/agreeing to stand=no playing.
I'm all for equality for everyone. And we are leaps and bounds from it in all facets. But there are better ways to make your point. Burning a flag or not standing for the National Anthem is not it.
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Any member from any sport's National or Olympic Teams should be required to sign a contract stating such. No signing/agreeing to stand=no playing.
I'm all for equality for everyone. And we are leaps and bounds from it in all facets. But there are better ways to make your point. Burning a flag or not standing for the National Anthem is not it.
My .02
Sheriff Joe
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You are an idiot. Your stupid arguments do not cause me mental discomfort. What causes me real pain is the suffering of individuals around this subject and they all deserve real change and real investment that is genuine and meaningful. What is meaningful is doing something with substance that leads to real change. Not a narcissistic post or photo op on social media that takes you two seconds to do and then you go about your privileged life.
Below is an athlete that has committed her time and energy in a real way, with a real personal sacrifice- why don’t we hear about her and talk about what she is doing?
Maya Moore story
A lot more bricks.
met61
GOLD
No.
If national teams were public entities, it would be unconstitutional, which means you hate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. How ironic that
people like you who hate our country so much claims to love the flag.
Because sports teams aren’t public, however, they can do what they want, and they have chosen to support equality. You don’t get to decide what the flag represents to anyone other than yourself. And as long as you think it stands for the over-militarization of our country instead of equality, people gonna keep kneeling and you’re just gonna have to find something else to do if your whiny snowflake a** can’t deal with it.
The fact that our country has free speech and bigots don’t get to sell cakes here is a start. Now we need to get serious about cops murdering black people.
No. Because people can lawfully kneel wherever they want in the U.S., I can happily live anywhere. You’re the whiny snowflake who can’t handle it, which means you’re the one who needs to move.
You’ve never lived until you’ve shown some respect for those who’ve been murdered by racist cops. Life has a flavor that racists will never know.
Whatever the f**k she wants? You’d be the first one asking a player to be removed for a nazi salute during the national anthem.
You don’t mean what you wrote. Others might, but you don’t.
MicPaPa
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Already has...he was the one wetting himself over those expressing Christian beliefs.
Assclowns like this aren't worth the time of day.
...here comes the "racist" tantrum in 3...2...1 *yawn*
MicPaPa
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You continue to miss the point, either intentionally or ignorantly, it's not about right to... it's about character and class.
Murdering black people shows neither character nor class. Supporting police officers who murder black people shows neither character nor class. Whining about people opposing police officers murdering black people shows neither character nor class.
You are definitely the one missing the point. I am pointing out what is actually happening and why. You are whining about people not doing what you want, which is to let you continue living in a fantasyland in which you think police don’t murder black people, and black people have equal opportunity. I know it’s inconvenient for you that the police murder black people. I know the reality that the U.S. is permeated with systemic and institutional racism doesn’t line up with your idea of that the U.S. is so great. Too bad snowflake, cuz people gonna kneel and burn down Wendys regardless of how much you whine.