U17 girls looked like a Silverlakes team throwin' up low % shots from anywhere v. Spain

Veritas said:
Could have easily been 3 or 4 null. Way too much overdribbling. I saw Barcenas having a hard time connecting passes. Barcenas & Ascanio playing desperate over dribbling not finding the passes. If those 2 playmakers can't connect balls the whole team will struggle. Fuller also a no show. Defensively very bad lacking fundamentals. Why would you give away a goal like that... Soccer 101 you don't head the ball out like that from the box. Defensively these girls are not fundamentally sound. Offensively they do not play together... It's basically watching your typical direct ball athletic USA team go vs u15 teenage boys. Those N. Korean women move like teenage boys. All very technical and agile. Just goes to show that soccer is an interesting sport when you are tactically sound with the right core group of players that work together for the common cause.
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I wouldn't blame the defender. Defenders are taught to head the ball back in direction from where ball came from. That goal was just a great one-time strike from the North Korean player (even more amazing if that was weak foot)
 
Veritas said:
Could have easily been 3 or 4 null. Way too much overdribbling. I saw Barcenas having a hard time connecting passes. Barcenas & Ascanio playing desperate over dribbling not finding the passes. If those 2 playmakers can't connect balls the whole team will struggle. Fuller also a no show. Defensively very bad lacking fundamentals. Why would you give away a goal like that... Soccer 101 you don't head the ball out like that from the box. Defensively these girls are not fundamentally sound. Offensively they do not play together... It's basically watching your typical direct ball athletic USA team go vs u15 teenage boys. Those N. Korean women move like teenage boys. All very technical and agile. Just goes to show that soccer is an interesting sport when you are tactically sound with the right core group of players that work together for the common cause.
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Agree with many of the points mentioned here. In US, we like and follow "flashy" players. We see evidence of that in many of our sports including Basketball, American Football, and now also in Soccer. During the competitive tryouts, players need to stand out with their Maradona turns and break-ankle type of dribbles to wow and leave hard impressions to get noticed and selected.

Keeping a ball, making timely passes, off-the-ball movements, occupying & defending spaces, and doing all the important yet underappreciated tasks are not recognized here in US. And this can be boring than players that are often taking on 1v1 and breaking ankles. So we end up with more of these types of flashy players in the overall rosters in USYNT and USWNT. Yes, being "flashy" sells with TV audience and advertisers. But this does not translate well in the World Cup type of competitions in the recent year because other countries have all caught up and now playing more team soccer at the highest level.

I think NWSL is starting to recognize this phenomenon at the professional level too. Many of the teams may still have some of the flashy US players in the attack, but they are now starting to scout and recruit from countries like Spain and Japan for the high soccer team IQ type of players in the midfields.
 
shirivelli said:
Agree with many of the points mentioned here. In US, we like and follow "flashy" players. We see evidence of that in many of our sports including Basketball, American Football, and now also in Soccer. During the competitive tryouts, players need to stand out with their Maradona turns and break-ankle type of dribbles to wow and leave hard impressions to get noticed and selected.

Keeping a ball, making timely passes, off-the-ball movements, occupying & defending spaces, and doing all the important yet underappreciated tasks are not recognized here in US. And this can be boring than players that are often taking on 1v1 and breaking ankles. So we end up with more of these types of flashy players in the overall rosters in USYNT and USWNT. Yes, being "flashy" sells with TV audience and advertisers. But this does not translate well in the World Cup type of competitions in the recent year because other countries have all caught up and now playing more team soccer at the highest level.

I think NWSL is starting to recognize this phenomenon at the professional level too. Many of the teams may still have some of the flashy US players in the attack, but they are now starting to scout and recruit from countries like Spain and Japan for the high soccer team IQ type of players in the midfields.
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US soccer likes MF who shot and dribble more than the forwards. Even at the youth level MFs are mostly turnover machines looking for a 35 yard shot all game.
 
fms said:
I don't think these players, especially 2 of the 3 starting "forwards" reflect your first statement. The US didn't really bring the typical US fast/strong/athletic forwards that have attended previous camps. KA is not a "tall, fast aggressive striker". MB is more of a creative mid. I think the US was trying to bring in skill. Sadly these players lack chemistry and don't train with each other much, not compared to the Spain players who basically come from two clubs.
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Don't kid yourself- their playing style is the same with their home clubs.
 
rainbow_unicorn said:
I wouldn't blame the defender. Defenders are taught to head the ball back in direction from where ball came from. That goal was just a great one-time strike from the North Korean player (even more amazing if that was weak foot)
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Well if they are taught like this then there is definitely something off with what they are teaching in the youth system. I would opt for more of a directional header instead not just blindly head it back in the same direction. Makes no sense...
 
Veritas said:
Well if they are taught like this then there is definitely something off with what they are teaching in the youth system. I would opt for more of a directional header instead not just blindly head it back in the same direction. Makes no sense...
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You're reading a lot into one kid making an individual error in a game.

Should the youth system have taught Brad Guzan not to roll the ball straight to the opposition?

 
Veritas said:
Well if they are taught like this then there is definitely something off with what they are teaching in the youth system. I would opt for more of a directional header instead not just blindly head it back in the same direction. Makes no sense...
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I doubt they are being _taught_ to do that kind of clearing. Rather a misjudgment or lack of situational training.

Agree the standard for clearing needs to be diagonal out of the box, or, if up the central channel, then long enough to be out of danger or high enough to allow teammates to act on the second ball.
 
rainbow_unicorn said:
I wouldn't blame the defender. Defenders are taught to head the ball back in direction from where ball came from. That goal was just a great one-time strike from the North Korean player (even more amazing if that was weak foot)
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You are taught to head it wide, just as you are taught to clear it wide. Could the keeper have grabbed it, maybe. Could somebody have been in the the face of the shooter, maybe. Great one timer.

I guess England must suck even more than this US youth team since they were blasted 3-0 by the US team. Possession, long ball, both are needed for strategy. These were quality teams they played. North Korean players play together more than the US youth teams, makes a difference. This was the first medal for the US since 2008, so it is headed in the right direction, just as the USWNT is as well.
 
socalkdg said:
You are taught to head it wide, just as you are taught to clear it wide. Could the keeper have grabbed it, maybe. Could somebody have been in the the face of the shooter, maybe. Great one timer.
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Maybe we just had different coaches growing up but we were taught to head back towards the direction the ball came from since the defense's attention is already turned that way. If a free kick or ball sent into the box comes from the center of the pitch do you want to head it back the way it came from or head it wide? If you head it wide you're probably just giving them a free throw or giving back to one of their players out wide.
 
socalkdg said:
You are taught to head it wide, just as you are taught to clear it wide. Could the keeper have grabbed it, maybe. Could somebody have been in the the face of the shooter, maybe. Great one timer.

I guess England must suck even more than this US youth team since they were blasted 3-0 by the US team. Possession, long ball, both are needed for strategy. These were quality teams they played. North Korean players play together more than the US youth teams, makes a difference. This was the first medal for the US since 2008, so it is headed in the right direction, just as the USWNT is as well.
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A well put together "team" said no one about US Soccer, especially US girls soccer, ripping low % shots from anywhere, "overdribbling" as stated elsewhere here, etc. etc. is the norm- just check out any socal girls game- I mean ***ANY*** game and you'll see why U20, U17 do not win tournament.... All starts there....
 
shirivelli said:
Agree with many of the points mentioned here. In US, we like and follow "flashy" players. We see evidence of that in many of our sports including Basketball, American Football, and now also in Soccer. During the competitive tryouts, players need to stand out with their Maradona turns and break-ankle type of dribbles to wow and leave hard impressions to get noticed and selected.

Keeping a ball, making timely passes, off-the-ball movements, occupying & defending spaces, and doing all the important yet underappreciated tasks are not recognized here in US. And this can be boring than players that are often taking on 1v1 and breaking ankles. So we end up with more of these types of flashy players in the overall rosters in USYNT and USWNT. Yes, being "flashy" sells with TV audience and advertisers. But this does not translate well in the World Cup type of competitions in the recent year because other countries have all caught up and now playing more team soccer at the highest level.

I think NWSL is starting to recognize this phenomenon at the professional level too. Many of the teams may still have some of the flashy US players in the attack, but they are now starting to scout and recruit from countries like Spain and Japan for the high soccer team IQ type of players in the midfields.
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They also bring in Forwards and try to make them defenders. The art of defense is being overlooked IMO. At least on the girls side the rise of Girma is helping but they are still only looking for those flashy players like you say. For me seeing a girl who can dispossess those flashy players should be just as rewarded as the player making the flashy moves but that's definitely not happening at the youth level. Defense is still considering boring.
 
tabletop said:
These takes are interesting. I did not think Spain was much superior from a tactical perspective, sure a few examples of kickball out of the back from the US, but not often The last 20 minutes were a beautiful display of possession by Spain, however, my biggest critique of the US was around player selection and the starting lineup. One of the benefits of playing Spain in the first game of pool play is the opportunity to see which players are unable to perform when the opponent is equally as talented. IMO, the 3 most impressive players on the field seemed to be wearing US uniforms. (KF, MB, TA).
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Do you work for USYNT?????💸🤑💰
 
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