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Woobie06 said:
“Dummy”...haha...you have obviously have never built or grown or run a business of any substance...You are right, he is a Showman. You need Showman/Salespeople to build a business...without sales you have no business, no ops, no hr, no labor, no business...You have to sell and market the product/service. Dude is WAY more successful than you or I and his partner is probably way hotter as well...all these career politicians with no ability to execute...40 years in office and what exactly can he hang his hat on as his key accomplishments?

C’mom Milton...stay in your cube and play with your stapler. “Dummy”...haha...your funny.

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The small business I have is actually extremely successful. I am the sole owner.
My wife is hotter than his...she looks like a man.
As I said, Trump overleveraged himself and failed miserably. You know he would have done much better if he took that huge fund his dad gave him and opened a nice, diverse portfolio.
Instead, he went through a bunch of bankruptcies and left innumerable creditors out to dry.
Mark Burnett saved him.
He’s done nothing as President and in time of crisis, he folded his tent. Shameful.
President Biden has devoted his life to public service for 40 years, he connects with people and his policies are equal justice, fair taxation, environmental protection and economic growth for all. Pretty basic stuff. Get used to it.
 
Woobie06 said:
That one is funny too. It all cracks me up. You really think Biden is more capable of a leader all politics and agenda aside? I’m curious.
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Do you think trump has a plan? He watches TV all day and reacts off that . . . of course he also listens to Stephen Miller, that is obvious.
 
I was looking back at the Gallup poll from April 2020. The Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats, 30% identified as Republican, and 36% as Independent. 15 years ago I was gun ho Republican. My buddy Colin was Democrat. Both of his parents are lawyers and are Dems to the death. Today, we both identify as Independent. He is 100% voting for t. So why do you, Mr No, say "Yes, 31% of the country are criminals?" Dude, that is a big problem and you will always sound one sided when righting like that. Maybe change it to, "Some Democrats are Criminals" and I might take you more serious brah!!!!
 
messy said:
The small business I have is actually extremely successful. I am the sole owner.
My wife is hotter than his...she looks like a man.
As I said, Trump overleveraged himself and failed miserably. You know he would have done much better if he took that huge fund his dad gave him and opened a nice, diverse portfolio.
Instead, he went through a bunch of bankruptcies and left innumerable creditors out to dry.
Mark Burnett saved him.
He’s done nothing as President and in time of crisis, he folded his tent. Shameful.
President Biden has devoted his life to public service for 40 years, he connects with people and his policies are equal justice, fair taxation, environmental protection and economic growth for all. Pretty basic stuff. Get used to it.
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I didn’t know the current First Lady was compared to a man, I thought that was the previous First Lady...I missed that day in class.

Good grief Milty...As a consultant/contractor/Single Member LLC (Business Owner....haha)...do you get that the tax changes that have been rolled out for real businesses are driving the economy...less tax is more money for businesses to reinvest - job creation, new product development, investment in automation, expansion, etc. that allows these businesses to grow both top line sales and EBITDA, which for public companies raises their stock price....etc., etc.

The economy is the heartbeat of the country...poor economy...poor country...poor health. These tax cuts the government gives to businesses actually creates increased tax revenues in other areas - payroll taxes, SSN, SUI, and Medicare as well as Corporate Taxes on the incremental lift in profits. There are many positive by-products of the cut in the corp tax rates. That was a really good thing done by the T Administration. Just don’t ask AOC...she has some opinions on the economy, tax, value of labor...she should just go back to bartending.

Fair taxation...what is fair Milty? Are you not receiving enough government cheese? Opportunity...there is equal opportunity out there for everyone...don’t hate on the people taking advantage of an opportunity and running with it. Would you be happier if we were closer to a Socialist Regime. We will get there if some people get their way.

Gotta go...getting ready to light some fireworks with the family...shhhh!!!! Don’t tell the Gov.

Happy 4th Everyone...Hope Everyone has a great day with Family and Friends.
 
Woobie06 said:
I didn’t know the current First Lady was compared to a man, I thought that was the previous First Lady...I missed that day in class.

Good grief Milty...As a consultant/contractor/Single Member LLC (Business Owner....haha)...do you get that the tax changes that have been rolled out for real businesses are driving the economy...less tax is more money for businesses to reinvest - job creation, new product development, investment in automation, expansion, etc. that allows these businesses to grow both top line sales and EBITDA, which for public companies raises their stock price....etc., etc.

The economy is the heartbeat of the country...poor economy...poor country...poor health. These tax cuts the government gives to businesses actually creates increased tax revenues in other areas - payroll taxes, SSN, SUI, and Medicare as well as Corporate Taxes on the incremental lift in profits. There are many positive by-products of the cut in the corp tax rates. That was a really good thing done by the T Administration. Just don’t ask AOC...she has some opinions on the economy, tax, value of labor...she should just go back to bartending.

Fair taxation...what is fair Milty? Are you not receiving enough government cheese? Opportunity...there is equal opportunity out there for everyone...don’t hate on the people taking advantage of an opportunity and running with it. Would you be happier if we were closer to a Socialist Regime. We will get there if some people get their way.

Gotta go...getting ready to light some fireworks with the family...shhhh!!!! Don’t tell the Gov.

Happy 4th Everyone...Hope Everyone has a great day with Family and Friends.
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You don’t seem to understand how it works.
If you have a small business, say fewer than 20 employees or so, as I do, and it’s an LLC or an S Corp as you describe, the “pass-thru” nature of the entity means you pay out all the money at year end, to avoid double taxation. An owner such as myself is taxed at the same rate under Trump as I was under Obama, as you should know. Individual rates have not reduced.
So small businesses have had zero tax benefits under Trump. Insurance costs, payroll taxes, nothing reduced under Trump.
Big business, of course, and businesses with shareholders, is doing better as a result of lower corporate taxes.
But not small business.
Shareholders are treated the same way as they were under Obama because capital gains tax rates have not changed under Trump (we all pay fewer taxes on a dollar we make from investment than a dollar we earn from labor, of course). But stock market growth is actually considerably slower than it was under Obama.
Biden will be a much better president for national unity and the economy. We usually do better under Democrats.
As for me, I’m a consistent 7-figure earner for many years now and that hasn’t changed under Trump or Obama.
 
Woobie06 said:
I would wager T is way better cognitively...if Biden would come out and play instead of hiding in his bunker we could all find out pretty quickly. Happy to put a friendly wager on it if you are interested.
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trump is spreading the virus, the virus of hate and division. Biden is doing the right thing, he will be an adequate president and will start to clean up the mess. Our soldiers will be proud again.
 
Woobie06 said:
I would wager T is way better cognitively...if Biden would come out and play instead of hiding in his bunker we could all find out pretty quickly. Happy to put a friendly wager on it if you are interested.
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You mean like the recent press conference Biden held? LOL, Biden is having too much fun watching Trump implode. We’ll see how they do against each other in the debates.
 
messy said:
You don’t seem to understand how it works.
If you have a small business, say fewer than 20 employees or so, as I do, and it’s an LLC or an S Corp as you describe, the “pass-thru” nature of the entity means you pay out all the money at year end, to avoid double taxation. An owner such as myself is taxed at the same rate under Trump as I was under Obama, as you should know. Individual rates have not reduced.
So small businesses have had zero tax benefits under Trump. Insurance costs, payroll taxes, nothing reduced under Trump.
Big business, of course, and businesses with shareholders, is doing better as a result of lower corporate taxes.
But not small business.
Shareholders are treated the same way as they were under Obama because capital gains tax rates have not changed under Trump (we all pay fewer taxes on a dollar we make from investment than a dollar we earn from labor, of course). But stock market growth is actually considerably slower than it was under Obama.
Biden will be a much better president for national unity and the economy. We usually do better under Democrats.
As for me, I’m a consistent 7-figure earner for many years now and that hasn’t changed under Trump or Obama.
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7 figures like $12,345.68...I’m sure you do very well. Just jokes...Milty...I am pretty familiar with how it works for LLC’s and the different taxation options as well as the implications on S and C Corps...I have two LLC Businesses, one since 2008, and an S Corp we moved to a C Corp In 2018. If you are not paying less in corp tax after the implementation of the changes you should really meet with your accountant and possibly a tax attorney regarding your entity structure, and other benefits and strategies available to you. You should be doing better, not the same or worse.

In a addition, your personal tax rate has been reduced as well under the tax changes by a couple points.

Sorry...small business do get many benefits under the tax plan. Not just public, large companies. Small businesses can be up to $30mm + and 1,500 employees and below. These same small businesses are still dealing with Obamacare and those around the 50 employee mark...the healthcare costs and reporting requirements pushed to them are significant..These are the same small businesses that benefited from the PPP that was part of the CARES Act to keep people working instead of rioting, looting, and pulling down statues. However, some banks did some small businesses dirty. Real dirty.

Not talking about Capital Gains, but yes you are right about the tax rates there, provided you keep them for a year.
 
Imtired said:
You mean like the recent press conference Biden held? LOL, Biden is having too much fun watching Trump implode. We’ll see how they do against each other in the debates.
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I would be happy to come up with some objective criteria for a wager...Biden has been fumbling speech, and facts for over 40 years. He may win the election, but it will not be because he is the better choice...it will be based on party lines, not who is the better candidate. I’ve asked a couple times, what JB done in his 40 years? What are his major accomplishments? Other than Plagiarizing Speeches, inflating his academic prowess, and sniffing hair...
 
Hüsker Dü said:
trump is spreading the virus, the virus of hate and division. Biden is doing the right thing, he will be an adequate president and will start to clean up the mess. Our soldiers will be proud again.
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The far left, some left leaning organizations, some mainstream media, and others are doing a bang up job spreading hate. Look at the fearless leader of our state....all these restrictions on businesses, and citizen movement, etc....but Protests are OK...that’s pandering to your base if I ever heard it.

Can somebody please explain why protests are ok, but I can’t eat inside or go to the beach? Do protesters have some super secret special immunity to Covid? Why don’t protestors have to follow the same rules as others? Anybody?

Left leaders letting people damage and vandalize their cities is allowing chaos and hate to fester...these things are much, much different than peaceful protests. What I heard Trump say last night is that he will hold Agitators, Anarchists, Vandals, and Rioters accountable. That’s not spreading hate, that is an attempt to control it. That’s being responsible and working to take control of a dangerous situation some of the mayors and governors won’t do because they care less about the people they govern and more about being re-elected.

Would you let your child mess up their room if they were having a temper tantrum...sure, maybe let them get it out of their system....Would you let your child destroy your home, or would you put a stop to it?
 
Woobie06 said:
The far left, some left leaning organizations, some mainstream media, and others are doing a bang up job spreading hate. Look at the fearless leader of our state....all these restrictions on businesses, and citizen movement, etc....but Protests are OK...that’s pandering to your base if I ever heard it.

Can somebody please explain why protests are ok, but I can’t eat inside or go to the beach? Do protesters have some super secret special immunity to Covid? Why don’t protestors have to follow the same rules as others? Anybody?

Left leaders letting people damage and vandalize their cities is allowing chaos and hate to fester...these things are much, much different than peaceful protests. What I heard Trump say last night is that he will hold Agitators, Anarchists, Vandals, and Rioters accountable. That’s not spreading hate, that is an attempt to control it. That’s being responsible and working to take control of a dangerous situation some of the mayors and governors won’t do because they care less about the people they govern and more about being re-elected.

Would you let your child mess up their room if they were having a temper tantrum...sure, maybe let them get it out of their system....Would you let your child destroy your home, or would you put a stop to it?
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Trump gave a 4th of July speech full of fear-mongering about his political opponents wanting to “destroy America.” He’s spreading fear and hate...you’re buying in.
The good news for the opposition is that Trump is ok with his base and he has given up on everyone else, so he loses. The broader America is more comfortable with an establishment liberal like Joe Biden. America knows him, they know the type of people who will fool out his administration...Obama was the model...and they prefer that to a few billionaires, xenophobes and a revolving door of chiefs of staff...not to mention an AG who carries the rule of Trump instead of the rule of law.
We are lucky that President Trump failed to establish the dictatorship he sought...and now he’s decided to go ugly with on his way out.
You dont seem entirely unreasonable, you see what’s ahead and you know we will be ok. We will also be ok if Trump stays in, because the Republic is surprisingly resilient. Other than a recession, we survived two terms of that idiot W.
 
Haha, and T’s opposition say he is “destroying” America...kinda the same message...At the end of the day none of this is a controllable. Can’t control it, so control the things you can. I heard a very different speech than you did. His speech was not hate filled or divisive. Nothing to buy into. I’m for peaceful protests, exercising your rights, I do believe black lives matter as do all lives, and I believe there is reform needed in law enforcement along with many other areas in this country as well as believing in a slew of other things.

I’m not for the organization Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, White Supremacy Organizations, or for people destroying and vandalizing their city, destroying property, assaults on people, or the leaders allowing this to happen among many other things.

How exactly is holding people accountable for destroying property, vandalism, assault, etc. hate filled and divisive? Would you let somebody destroy your home or property?

So basically you are saying, let’s go with Puppet Joe because he won’t really be doing anything and the Billionaires running the left are better than the ones running the right...I just do not understand how people believe rioting, looting, vandalizing, and destroying property is ok, and akin to peaceful protests. Much of what the left is pushing now is extremely divisive. Many leave no room for a dissenting opinion...the hypocrisy is comical...people protesting the things they do not want to allow themselves...this BS cancel culture. Those leaders calling to defund the police, who are utilizing them 24/7 for protection, or Defund the Police Protests who are requesting a police presence at the event for safety. Does any of this strike you as odd?

I do agree 100% that the world will not stop spinning regardless of who wins and life will continue. And yes, in the short-term things will be fine. That’s probably one of the most reasonable thing I’ve heard you say. That said, the next few months will be very entertaining.
 
Woobie06 said:
Haha, and T’s opposition say he is “destroying” America...kinda the same message...At the end of the day none of this is a controllable. Can’t control it, so control the things you can. I heard a very different speech than you did. His speech was not hate filled or divisive. Nothing to buy into. I’m for peaceful protests, exercising your rights, I do believe black lives matter as do all lives, and I believe there is reform needed in law enforcement along with many other areas in this country as well as believing in a slew of other things.

I’m not for the organization Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, White Supremacy Organizations, or for people destroying and vandalizing their city, destroying property, assaults on people, or the leaders allowing this to happen among many other things.

How exactly is holding people accountable for destroying property, vandalism, assault, etc. hate filled and divisive? Would you let somebody destroy your home or property?

So basically you are saying, let’s go with Puppet Joe because he won’t really be doing anything and the Billionaires running the left are better than the ones running the right...I just do not understand how people believe rioting, looting, vandalizing, and destroying property is ok, and akin to peaceful protests. Much of what the left is pushing now is extremely divisive. Many leave no room for a dissenting opinion...the hypocrisy is comical...people protesting the things they do not want to allow themselves...this BS cancel culture. Those leaders calling to defund the police, who are utilizing them 24/7 for protection, or Defund the Police Protests who are requesting a police presence at the event for safety. Does any of this strike you as odd?

I do agree 100% that the world will not stop spinning regardless of who wins and life will continue. And yes, in the short-term things will be fine. That’s probably one of the most reasonable thing I’ve heard you say. That said, the next few months will be very entertaining.
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The narcissism, hostility, family members running the country, mishandling of this pandemic, using the phrase “fine people on both sides,” “rapists,” I have a million reasons not to vote for Trump.
His rhetoric was so dangerous that back in ‘16 (way before Bill Maher started in) I turned to my wife and said “this guy wants to be a dictator...if he wins, our republic may hinge on which side the military takes.” He was asking people to hit protesters at his campaign rallies and telling them he’d pay their legal fees. This is not America.He’s such a bad guy, last night he referred to the third quarter economic news, which will come out “right before the election, which will be good for us.” Who does that?
Biden is a tried and true Dem. Obama was boring and maybe Biden will be too. Safe, kept alliances in place and kept our economy safe.
I’m glad the nation is waking up. It took long enough! Trump doesn’t really have a chance.
 
I get triggered with hypocrisy and double speakers. President Obama was in office and Kap seemed like a different guy. Maybe the white people he lived with tried to white wash him and then someone else taught him the truth? Remember, truth lies somewhere in da middle. This is guy who 9 years ago was so happy. Today, he does not feel blessed. My black friends all feel blessed & humanized and feel they have as much of a chance today to be what they want as any other citizen, white, latino, asian or black. I'm shocked folks are buying into this narrative.

Kap in 2011- "Happy 4th of July everyone I hope everyone has a blessed day."

Kap 2020- "Black ppl have been dehumanized, brutalized, criminalized + terrorized by America for centuries, & are expected to join your commemoration of “independence”, while you enslaved our ancestors. We reject your celebration of white supremacy & look forward to liberation for all."

I asked my son if he identifies as white ever. He said, "no dad, I don;t look white."
 
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