The Inevitable New The Inevitable Trump Mocking Thread

When I say bleed, it's not like with veal where you kill the animal then drain the blood.
With a large blue fin you have to bleed it while it's still alive and then swim it behind the boat at one or two knots til it's dead. You want it's beating heart to pump out the blood. Shooting it in the head stops the heart and ruins the meat.
Those are Andalusian tuna.
The Japanese buy those tuna, and they pay a shitload for them.
 
Did you see all the blood in the water in those pics?
They were shooting them in the head then jumping in and bleeding them.
The biggest blue fin in the world are (were) in the Mediterranean. They were fished for centuries in Extremely shallow water by herding schools into coves with nets.

Bluefin are found in all temperate and tropical seas

I’ve caught a shitload of tuna over the years.
Bluefin bigeye yellowfin you name it
These are probably the same tuna that have migrated along this pathway for a millenium.
 
I think we should turn this into a fishing thread.
We already got all the Trump haters hooked.
They are really not going to like this,




Ex-Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort sentenced to 47 months for fraud in Mueller case
  • A federal judge on Thursday sentences President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort to serve 47 months in prison.
  • Manafort had been convicted in the Virginia court last summer on eight counts of bank fraud, tax fraud and failing to file a foreign bank account report.
  • "He has lived an otherwise blameless life," the judge says of Manafort, a central figure in the special counsel's Russia probe.


A federal judge on Thursday sentenced President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort to serve 47 months in prison, a far shorter length of time than prosecutors in the case had argued for.


The decision from federal judge T.S. Ellis in Virginia comes less than a week before Manafort's second sentencing hearing in another case in Washington, D.C., district court. Both cases were brought on charges lodged by special counsel Robert Mueller in his ongoing probe of Russia's election meddling and possible collusion with the Trump campaign.

Manafort, seated in a wheelchair and clad in a green prison jumpsuit during the hearing, spoke of the hardship he has faced as a prime figure in the high-profile Mueller investigation.


"The last two years have been the most difficult for my family and I," Manafort said in his plea for compassion from the judge.




"To say I have been humiliated and ashamed would be a gross understatement," he said.

Before delivering his sentence, Ellis said that Manafort has "been a good friend to others, a generous person."

The judge added: "He has lived an otherwise blameless life."

Manafort had been convicted in the Virginia court last summer on eight counts of bank fraud, tax fraud and failing to file a foreign bank account report. The charges mostly pertained to Manafort's past work for Ukraine's Russia-backed president at the time, Viktor Yanukovych.

Manafort was not convicted on 10 other criminal counts in that case, which were deadlocked by the 12-person jury.

Manafort's lawyer argued in court that the amount of time Manafort spent talking to prosecutors — 50 hours in total — reflects significant cooperation in the government's investigation.

But Mueller's team said bluntly that Manafort's interviews only took so long because he misled them.

"Fifty hours with us was because he lied," prosecutor Greg Andres told Ellis. "He lied, so it took longer to provide the truth to him."

Manafort "did not provide valuable information to the special counsel that wasn't already known," Andres said.

In a sentencing memo last week, Manafort's attorneys argued that Manafort should receive a sentence "substantially below" the 19-to-24-year prison length suggested by federal guidelines. Manafort is a "first-time offender," they wrote, and noted that he admitted his guilt on separate charges launched by Mueller in Washington, D.C., federal court.

Ellis apparently agreed that the guidelines were too high, calling the calculated range "excessive."

Still, Ellis said before delivering the sentence that he was "surprised" he did not hear Manafort "express regret" in his remarks.

They also accused the special counsel of attempting to "vilify Mr. Manafort as a lifelong and irredeemable felon," as well as "spreading misinformation about Mr. Manafort to impugn his character in a manner that this country has not experienced in decades."

But Mueller countered in a Tuesday night filing that Manafort's request for leniency should be ignored at his sentencing, arguing that Manafort has not taken responsibility for his crimes. The special counsel also highlighted additional wrongdoing Manafort is alleged to have done since his cases began, including witness tampering and lying to investigators.

While Ellis had often been curt and impatient toward prosecutors during Manafort's three-week trial, most of his rulings before announcing Manafort's sentence appeared to favor the government's position.

Ellis reportedly shot down multiple objections from Manafort's lawyers regarding a pre-sentence report prepared by federal probation officials. The judge also declined to give Manafort any credit for accepting responsibility for his crimes.

Both the defense and the prosecution agreed to delay a decision about Manafort's restitution until after his second sentencing in D.C. next week.

Trump has consistently and aggressively denounced the Mueller probe as "illegal" and a "witch hunt" motivated by partisan politics. His fiery criticisms have raised alarm among Mueller's defenders, who suspect Trump may be considering a pardon for Manafort or other targets of the Russia probe.

"It's very sad, what happened to Paul," Trump said of Manafort in November. "I have not offered any pardons," he said at that time, but added, "I'm not taking anything off the table."

New York authorities are reportedly prepping charges against Manafort if Trump does pardon his crimes
 
Those are Andalusian tuna.
The Japanese buy those tuna, and they pay a shitload for them.

I've never heard of a Andalusian tuna... but they sound tasty.
Honestly have more luck with Jack and Mahi then tuna, but don't really go out much since my kid was born. Was thinking I was going to treat my uncle for a deep sea trip on his birthday if anyone can recommend a charter.

Trout, perch and blue gill are most in my wheelhouse, as thats what I fished when I was a kid and had more time.
 
They are really not going to like this,




Ex-Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort sentenced to 47 months for fraud in Mueller case
  • A federal judge on Thursday sentences President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort to serve 47 months in prison.
  • Manafort had been convicted in the Virginia court last summer on eight counts of bank fraud, tax fraud and failing to file a foreign bank account report.
  • "He has lived an otherwise blameless life," the judge says of Manafort, a central figure in the special counsel's Russia probe.


A federal judge on Thursday sentenced President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort to serve 47 months in prison, a far shorter length of time than prosecutors in the case had argued for.


The decision from federal judge T.S. Ellis in Virginia comes less than a week before Manafort's second sentencing hearing in another case in Washington, D.C., district court. Both cases were brought on charges lodged by special counsel Robert Mueller in his ongoing probe of Russia's election meddling and possible collusion with the Trump campaign.

Manafort, seated in a wheelchair and clad in a green prison jumpsuit during the hearing, spoke of the hardship he has faced as a prime figure in the high-profile Mueller investigation.


"The last two years have been the most difficult for my family and I," Manafort said in his plea for compassion from the judge.




"To say I have been humiliated and ashamed would be a gross understatement," he said.

Before delivering his sentence, Ellis said that Manafort has "been a good friend to others, a generous person."

The judge added: "He has lived an otherwise blameless life."

Manafort had been convicted in the Virginia court last summer on eight counts of bank fraud, tax fraud and failing to file a foreign bank account report. The charges mostly pertained to Manafort's past work for Ukraine's Russia-backed president at the time, Viktor Yanukovych.

Manafort was not convicted on 10 other criminal counts in that case, which were deadlocked by the 12-person jury.

Manafort's lawyer argued in court that the amount of time Manafort spent talking to prosecutors — 50 hours in total — reflects significant cooperation in the government's investigation.

But Mueller's team said bluntly that Manafort's interviews only took so long because he misled them.

"Fifty hours with us was because he lied," prosecutor Greg Andres told Ellis. "He lied, so it took longer to provide the truth to him."

Manafort "did not provide valuable information to the special counsel that wasn't already known," Andres said.

In a sentencing memo last week, Manafort's attorneys argued that Manafort should receive a sentence "substantially below" the 19-to-24-year prison length suggested by federal guidelines. Manafort is a "first-time offender," they wrote, and noted that he admitted his guilt on separate charges launched by Mueller in Washington, D.C., federal court.

Ellis apparently agreed that the guidelines were too high, calling the calculated range "excessive."

Still, Ellis said before delivering the sentence that he was "surprised" he did not hear Manafort "express regret" in his remarks.

They also accused the special counsel of attempting to "vilify Mr. Manafort as a lifelong and irredeemable felon," as well as "spreading misinformation about Mr. Manafort to impugn his character in a manner that this country has not experienced in decades."

But Mueller countered in a Tuesday night filing that Manafort's request for leniency should be ignored at his sentencing, arguing that Manafort has not taken responsibility for his crimes. The special counsel also highlighted additional wrongdoing Manafort is alleged to have done since his cases began, including witness tampering and lying to investigators.

While Ellis had often been curt and impatient toward prosecutors during Manafort's three-week trial, most of his rulings before announcing Manafort's sentence appeared to favor the government's position.

Ellis reportedly shot down multiple objections from Manafort's lawyers regarding a pre-sentence report prepared by federal probation officials. The judge also declined to give Manafort any credit for accepting responsibility for his crimes.

Both the defense and the prosecution agreed to delay a decision about Manafort's restitution until after his second sentencing in D.C. next week.

Trump has consistently and aggressively denounced the Mueller probe as "illegal" and a "witch hunt" motivated by partisan politics. His fiery criticisms have raised alarm among Mueller's defenders, who suspect Trump may be considering a pardon for Manafort or other targets of the Russia probe.

"It's very sad, what happened to Paul," Trump said of Manafort in November. "I have not offered any pardons," he said at that time, but added, "I'm not taking anything off the table."

New York authorities are reportedly prepping charges against Manafort if Trump does pardon his crimes
They’re gonna go nuts. 47/2 minus 9 is a little over one year on good behavior. That’s it. Over. Done. All federal cases concluded. No further sentencing by any other judge.

Wait. What?
 
That fish in the your pic won't be going to Japan, as a blue fin caught in a net and then shot in the head will render the meat dog food quality. And the Japanese market is all about quality.

Did you not understand the article your posted? It says the same thing I've been saying...
Yes I know it also says the same thing that Aff is talking about as it also describes what is happening in the pictures:
This also helps cool the tuna while helping oxygenate the fish and preventing the issue mentioned above from occurring.
The issue mentioned above, ‘burnt’ or in Japanese ‘Yake’, is prevented.
Reread the article: "Depending on where you are in the world and what you intend to do with your tuna, there’s a lot of conflicting advice with regards to how to kill, bleed, fillet and store your tuna. Fortunately there’s a few simple things to know and we’ll leave it up to you which techniques you want to employ".
 
Yes I know it also says the same thing that Aff is talking about as it also describes what is happening in the pictures:
This also helps cool the tuna while helping oxygenate the fish and preventing the issue mentioned above from occurring.
The issue mentioned above, ‘burnt’ or in Japanese ‘Yake’, is prevented.
Reread the article: "Depending on where you are in the world and what you intend to do with your tuna, there’s a lot of conflicting advice with regards to how to kill, bleed, fillet and store your tuna. Fortunately there’s a few simple things to know and we’ll leave it up to you which techniques you want to employ".

Not to beat a dead hors... I mean fish. How long do you suppose it would take to ice down a 500lb fish Aff?
 
They were pushing 20 or 30 years, ha.
I know. Now it’s just shy of 3 years if he behaves. Or zero, if he’s got a friend in high places. MAGA.

Which reminds me. Was there a time when corruption in the White House was rampant? Is that when America was great?

Lyndon Johnson was pretty corrupt. But the Johnson years are probably not what Trump had in mind.
 
Hmm, the article made it sound like this is a different case, and we'll hear the verdict the more serious charges in the coming weeks.
We’ll always have New York. That takes care of his pardon hopes...
Is Trump’s rule that you have to be a) family b) crooked or c) really really rich, to work closely with him? It’s unbelievable.
 
I know. Now it’s just shy of 3 years if he behaves. Or zero, if he’s got a friend in high places. MAGA.

Which reminds me. Was there a time when corruption in the White House was rampant? Is that when America was great?

Lyndon Johnson was pretty corrupt. But the Johnson years are probably not what Trump had in mind.

Nixon, Reagan, w...etc.
 
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Blue fin isn't a tropical tuna... especially the really big ones are all caught up by Nova Scotia up by the arctic circle. Again they have to be bled or the meat goes bad. There is a lottery for tags every year and if you've got one of the tags it's not even legal to release a fish if you think it's too small. They just don't catch that type of fish by net intentionally. Not sure why you don't believe me.

A 500lb one like in your pic, if the meat is prime grade will literally be flown over night to Japan so they can sell it fresh the next day in the market. However a 500lb blue fin shot in the head, will never be prime grade meat. You have to get the lactic acid out of the fishes meat while it's still alive or it ruins the fish.
 
I know. Now it’s just shy of 3 years if he behaves. Or zero, if he’s got a friend in high places. MAGA.

Which reminds me. Was there a time when corruption in the White House was rampant? Is that when America was great?

Lyndon Johnson was pretty corrupt. But the Johnson years are probably not what Trump had in mind.
How much time did he get for Russian collusion?
 
‘Blameless’ Manafort? Twitter Users Torch Judge For Bizarre Claim, Light Sentence.
Judge T. S. Ellis III was slammed for giving the former Trump campaign manager such a light sentence.

By Ed Mazza






U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III is being slammed on social media for giving a surprisingly light sentence to Paul Manafort, who was President Donald Trump’s campaign manager for part of the 2016 election.

Manafort was found guilty on eight counts, including bank fraud, filing false tax returns and failure to report foreign bank accounts. Sentencing guidelines called for 19 to 24 years in prison.

Manafort’s attorneys argued for leniency by claiming he was a “first-time offender.” Ellis agreed, saying Manafort “has lived an otherwise blameless life,” and sentenced him to just 47 months.

However, as “The Late Show” host Stephen Colbert cracked, “He wasn’t so much a first-time offender as a first-time getting caughter.” In fact, Manafort has lived anything but an “otherwise blameless life,” often working for ruthless dictators and notorious human rights abusers.

On Twitter, people lambasted the judge, both for his comments and for the sentence. Many pointed out other people who had received much harsher terms for far less serious offenses:
 
A bit of flashback,

PUBLISHED: 9:41 PM 4 May 2018
UPDATED: 10:22 PM 4 May 2018
Mueller Blasted By Federal Judge For Extreme Overreach ‘Power’
He demanded that the scope memo, unredacted, be delivered to him within a set time frame.
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by Austin Lewis

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Robert Mueller's special investigation was blasted by a federal judge for being an extreme overreach and a power grab that seemed to have no limits. Will this be the end of it?

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Robert Mueller’s special investigation has dragged on for nearly a year, and to many it simply seems like it’s little more than a fishing expedition, hoping to find SOMETHING that President Donald J. Trump did wrong. Even famous leftists like Alan Dershowitz agree with that claim. Today, it seems that the judge in the Manafort case agrees that there are issues with the extreme overreach for “unfettered power” by the special investigation.


In a shocking turn of events, a federal judge rebuked Mueller and his team, accusing them of lying to target the President, and of vastly expanding the scope of the investigation beyond what Acting Attorney General Rod Rosenstein empowered them to investigate. He suggested that they may not even have the right to charge Paul Manafort in federal court, and that they are lying about their mandate and seeking “unfettered power” to bring down the President of the United States of America.

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III, a Ronald Reagan appointee, took a very strong stance against the case presented to his court in Alexandria, Virginia.

In the beginning, he pointed out that the charges against Manafort, charges of bank fraud stemming from his work for Ukranian President Viktor Yanukovych, seem to be outside the mandate Rosenstein’s memo laid out for the investigation.

This is a point that Kevin Downing, the attorney for the former Trump campaign associate, has repeatedly made, although a partially redacted version of Rosenstein’s memo allegedly gave the investigation the power to look into suspected crimes related to payment for work in Ukraine.

Judge Ellis also said that he doesn’t believe the special investigation actually cares about prosecuting the bank fraud at all. Rather, he seems to believe that Mueller and his investigators and prosecutors are simply hoping to ‘squeeze’ the former member of the Trump campaign, hoping he might “sing,” and that the information he gives up could be an actionable or impeachable offense.


The judge outright said that the investigation didn’t care about the defendant, but rather they cared about “what information Mr. Manafort can give you to lead you to Mr. Trump and an impeachment, or whatever.”

The federal judge said that he was worried that Manafort might not just ‘sing’, but also ‘compose,’ providing information that the investigators want to hear to save himself, rather than providing necessarily accurate information.

In order to clear up the actual limitations of the scope of the mandate provided in the Rosenstein memo, the court demanded access to the unredacted memo.

According to the Mueller investigative team, the August 2017 scope memo, and the May 2, 2017 letter appointing the former FBI Director to lead the investigation, provided the team with a broad mandate to investigate essentially whatever they felt like investigating.

Even if that is the case, the fact that the special investigators are relying on information from an earlier Department of Justice probe in their attempt to indict and convict Manafort, according to Ellis, may place the charges outside their scope.

The investigative team also said that they couldn’t show the judge the unredacted memo because it contains some powers that are secret because they involve ongoing investigations, as well as information on national security matters that cannot be publicly disclosed.

Ellis, in an amused and unpersuaded response to this claim, said that the argument of the special investigative team was essentially “we said this was what the investigation was about, but we are not bound by it and we were lying.”


He also issued an order to the team, saying that they had two weeks to provide him with an unredacted copy of the scope memo, or to provide him with a better reason why he couldn’t see it.

When the prosecutors claimed that the scope contained material not pertaining to the Manafort charges, the judge replied, appropriately, “I’ll be the judge of that.”

Ellis also suggested that this kind of limitless power to investigate whatever they could conceive of was not in the best interest of the nation or the courts, and that it was extremely open to abuse.

He even asked when, exactly, the investigation would finally conclude, and at what point special counsel attorney Michael Dreeben would be satisfied that they had investigated enough.


The special counsel refused to speculate or provide a clear answer.

The judge then asked him why the Manafort case remained a part of the special investigation, while a similar case against Michael Cohen, the President’s personal lawyer, was spun off and handed over to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in New York.

In asking such a question, Ellis is doing precisely as a wise judge should do, especially considering the nature of the court case thus far. If the case that the prosecution is trying to bring against the defendant is entirely out of their scope, they must turn the case over to the proper authority.



They cannot decide that they will use the case to bully Manafort into some sort of confession when they don’t even have the right to run the case.

Judge Ellis made a strong statement that he would not cosign an arbitrary and infinite special investigation attempting to squeeze people for information.

The judge has been impartial throughout the process. When the case began, he warned the defendant that he could face punishment as stiff as a life sentence in a federal prison, and during bond hearings pointed out that the defendant was a significant flight risk due to his ties to foreign nations and his wealth.

It’s time that the Mueller investigation either bears some sort of fruit against its intended target, or that the special counsel admits that it’s a fishing expedition hoping to find something wrong to prosecute the President for
 

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