The Inevitable New The Inevitable Trump Mocking Thread

Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda. When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world.
 
*GOBEARGO* said:
And the difference between when Obama met with Iran is....?
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What about!!!!

If you think this is a good idea, good for you.

If you don't know the difference between what our relationship with Iran has been versus our relationship with NK, I can't help you.

And again. Who wants to bet that NK does not give up their nukes? I'm still waiting.

And what are we getting? Seriously? What is the national benefit of the current diplomacy?

And do you think Melane is transitioning?
 
Friesland said:
What about!!!!

If you think this is a good idea, good for you.

If you don't know the difference between what our relationship with Iran has been versus our relationship with NK, I can't help you.

And again. Who wants to bet that NK does not give up their nukes? I'm still waiting.

And what are we getting? Seriously? What is the national benefit of the current diplomacy?

And do you think Melane is transitioning?
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But hamburgers.
 
Friesland said:
Of course, I said none of those things. "You people" actually like to make up things other people said so you can scold. You're a petty pedant who invents positions to rail against. If you think import duties and quotas affect the economy in exactly the same way as quantitative easing, well, you run with that. "They both distort the market by manipulation prices and thus supply and demand" is first week econ 101a. It's like saying HIV and HPV are the "the same, they're viruses that cause the bodies immune system to react." Ok, Dr. Genious. That will save a lot of lives... You're point is too broad to be interesting or informative. ALL national economic policy "distorts the market" - whether it's subsidies, differing tax rates, rebates, immigration/work visa restrictions, tax exclusions, or even simply the contracting policy (for big enough countries and big enough departments) of government departments. This fantasy of some "pure" market, outside of some souk in Raqqa or your local swap meet, maybe, is academic. Now, in the real world, tarrifs don't act "just like" QE anything. That's wrong and you will make stupid economic decision in the short to medium term if you believe it.
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Are you really doubting that tariffs and QE effects prices and supply and demand in exactly the same way? Especially, since you consider it "first week econ 101a". You seem conflicted. I don't remember any epidemiological analogies in that first week of economics either. I somewhat agree that my point might be too broad for most. But F.A. Hayek said it best in describing economics. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to man how little he knows about what he imagines he can design". Both QE and tariffs have repeatedly shown us how our government becomes the "con" in economics. I assume that you'll default to the, "but we need government to protect us from the ill effects of the market". That's fine, I'm for private property rights, easy taxes, and the rule of law. Both QE and tariffs obscure the law and rob the citizen of their hard earned savings and property. There is a broad explanation for what I just posted. It goes beyond first week econ but I started this thread with money and interest rates. You should start there and I'll be happy to provide further explanations if you require them. Laced and I had a very good conversation concerning money and how it really works.

There is not a single national economic policy that even comes close to distorting the markets like QE does. A broader conversation is needed but since you find it "too broad to be interesting or informative" you remain uninformed while some of the basics are discussed and solidified in the initial post of this thread.

Pure markets become fantasy whenever QE or tariffs are employed. The history of the negative effects of QE type monetary policy and tariffs are well documented for those who don't find economics "too broad to be interesting or informative".......in the real world that is.
 
Friesland said:
What about!!!!

If you think this is a good idea, good for you.

If you don't know the difference between what our relationship with Iran has been versus our relationship with NK, I can't help you.

And again. Who wants to bet that NK does not give up their nukes? I'm still waiting.

And what are we getting? Seriously? What is the national benefit of the current diplomacy?

And do you think Melane is transitioning?
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Do you...on anything you typed? Perhaps you should wait and see what happens before you consult your crystal ball aka CNN.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Despite the incomplete nature of the recovery, influential voices are already calling for the Federal Reserve to guard against inflation by raising interest rates to slow the economy. The stakes in this debate are high. Macroeconomic policy (including monetary policy) that prioritized very low rates of inflation over low rates of unemployment is a key reason why real wages have stagnated for the vast majority of American workers in recent decades (as we have shown through our Raising America’s Pay initiative). Widespread wage growth will not occur over the coming years if the Federal Reserve prematurely slows the recovery in the name of fighting prospective inflation.

https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/
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Another way in which QE distorts the labor market.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Funny that a government worker like yourself that self-admittedly couldn't make a dime investing during the O admin is fixated on my situation. Worry about yourself, you are the one who has cried about personal finance woes, not me, I'm fine.
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Worry about yourself, not your PR campaign.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
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MAY JOBLESS RATE 3.8%
BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT RECORD LOW
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Didn't Trump say the improving numbers under Obama were meaningless because the number were skewed?
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Are you really doubting that tariffs and QE effects prices and supply and demand in exactly the same way? Especially, since you consider it "first week econ 101a". You seem conflicted. I don't remember any epidemiological analogies in that first week of economics either. I somewhat agree that my point might be too broad for most. But F.A. Hayek said it best in describing economics. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to man how little he knows about what he imagines he can design". Both QE and tariffs have repeatedly shown us how our government becomes the "con" in economics. I assume that you'll default to the, "but we need government to protect us from the ill effects of the market". That's fine, I'm for private property rights, easy taxes, and the rule of law. Both QE and tariffs obscure the law and rob the citizen of their hard earned savings and property. There is a broad explanation for what I just posted. It goes beyond first week econ but I started this thread with money and interest rates. You should start there and I'll be happy to provide further explanations if you require them. Laced and I had a very good conversation concerning money and how it really works.

There is not a single national economic policy that even comes close to distorting the markets like QE does. A broader conversation is needed but since you find it "too broad to be interesting or informative" you remain uninformed while some of the basics are discussed and solidified in the initial post of this thread.

Pure markets become fantasy whenever QE or tariffs are employed. The history of the negative effects of QE type monetary policy and tariffs are well documented for those who don't find economics "too broad to be interesting or informative".......in the real world that is.
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http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/essential-economics-for-politicians.694/
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Are you really doubting that tariffs and QE effects prices and supply and demand in exactly the same way? Especially, since you consider it "first week econ 101a". You seem conflicted. I don't remember any epidemiological analogies in that first week of economics either. I somewhat agree that my point might be too broad for most. But F.A. Hayek said it best in describing economics. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to man how little he knows about what he imagines he can design". Both QE and tariffs have repeatedly shown us how our government becomes the "con" in economics. I assume that you'll default to the, "but we need government to protect us from the ill effects of the market". That's fine, I'm for private property rights, easy taxes, and the rule of law. Both QE and tariffs obscure the law and rob the citizen of their hard earned savings and property. There is a broad explanation for what I just posted. It goes beyond first week econ but I started this thread with money and interest rates. You should start there and I'll be happy to provide further explanations if you require them. Laced and I had a very good conversation concerning money and how it really works.

There is not a single national economic policy that even comes close to distorting the markets like QE does. A broader conversation is needed but since you find it "too broad to be interesting or informative" you remain uninformed while some of the basics are discussed and solidified in the initial post of this thread.

Pure markets become fantasy whenever QE or tariffs are employed. The history of the negative effects of QE type monetary policy and tariffs are well documented for those who don't find economics "too broad to be interesting or informative".......in the real world that is.
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Are you really claiming that tariffs and QE distort price and markets in the same way at the same rate? Ok. You go with that brush as broad as the world.

It truly is, however, as stupid an opinion as I've heard in a long time. You know water, glass and atmosphere distort light. Yet anyone who can't discern the difference in the distortion ends up wet, walking into a building or strolling off the edge of the earth...
 
Different tariffs on different industries don't even distort prices in the same way (or effect GDP, balance of trade etc in the same way.) To state it does is simply to ignore reality. What Iz is arguing is: Gravity makes things fall - and if they hit your head they hurt! Which, of course, is generally true, but there is usually a vast different between a jet engine falling from the sky and hitting you in the head and a sharp pine cone. While the "broad strokes" of the mechanism is the same for both, the end result is, in most cases, vastly difference.

It's really not that hard.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
There’s your Hayekian streak.
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Sure. Or you can ask a car builder: "Will QE and tariffs on steel affect my business the same way?" And they will say "yes" and go out business (or need more government intervention) or they will say "no" and take appropriate steps in either case, which, if they wish to stay in business, will be different.

Or the can walk into the ocean and drown thinking it's the light distorted by the window of their office building.
 
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