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Hüsker Dü said:
Apparently you don’t see the hyperbolic swings to be relevant by CC. O’Reilly? Really? Steven A? I will say his show is the best one on newsnation, but he panders back and forth while claiming centralist bravado.
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You could be right, it's how I feel about Maher centrist's act. It could just be pandering for survival. Hyperbole is CC's schtick, at least he is willing to hear an opposing opinion which is the Dem's kryptonite. I wish Dan Abrams was still on NN.
 
watfly said:
Check out the Megyn Kelly interview of Tapper and Thompson. They talk about the 1st two, not much about the 3rd, but the implication is that Jill played a large role. Or download a copy of the book (and send a copy to me).;)

What makes you think that that cabinet would have invoked the 25th knowing the truth? The Dem's position was that anyone was better than Trump. According to Tapper, Biden didn't meet with his Cabinet, but the Cabinet members had to meet with the 4 people in his inner circle, and they allegedly passed that information along to Biden. However, that's not an excuse for Cabinet members not to fulfill their duties to citizens.

There is no way to spin this other than as a blatant coverup by the administration with the complicity of the media (either knowingly or failure to do their job because of bias).
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Cabinet members take an oath of office, as required by the Constitution. So, if they knew, then they have a legal duty and constitutional ability to act ... hence they should have had a vote to invoke the 25th, as their oath required and the Constitution allows.
 
Desert Hound said:
Actually had gov done nothing we would be far better off.

Gov shut schools and businesses in a wasted effort to stop the spread of covid. Then they attempted to give money to said business and people to try to help them out due to the damage gov caused.
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Whichever and whatever, once the decisions were made, subsequent action was required.
 
whatithink said:
Cabinet members take an oath of office, as required by the Constitution. So, if they knew, then they have a legal duty and constitutional ability to act ... hence they should have had a vote to invoke the 25th, as their oath required and the Constitution allows.
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You're guess is as good as mine as to why they didn't consider it. Trump's cabinet discussed the 25th for something far less invasive than the Biden situation.
 
watfly said:
To some extent, I don't believe that Biden (and Trump for that matter) should get credit for putting out fires they started. It wasn't so much that Covid caused the economic crash, it was the lockdowns. Now much of that was controlled on the State level, but the Biden administration was a big cheerleader for lockdowns, school closures, jabs for jobs etc.

The government isn't capable of managing any form of stimulus because of the complete lack of internal controls. Too much of it is lost to fraud. Both Trump and Biden should have known better and put more guardrails in to aid. I can't recall the exact number but the the stimulus given was multi-fold greater than actual income losses, which is one of the reasons we're saddled with record inflation.

I will note that the stock market had recovered from Covid crash by the time Trump left office. Biden had a nearly two year period with a down and stagnant market (Jan 22-Nov 23).
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The lockdowns were in 2020, before Biden took office. They were mostly gone by the time he took office, with some limited shutdowns for Covid surges in early 2021. The economic damage from Covid was baked in when Biden took office.

Dow Closing end of year, Biden's years - overall, Dow increased 40% during his admin.
- Dec'20, 30K
- Dec'21 36K ^ 20%
- Dec'22 33K \/ 8%
- Dec'23 37K ^ 12%
- Dec'24 42K ^ 14%
 
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