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Slobodan said:
Agreed, but here's my problem with what happened: ( Super UW posted on Facebook just before 9 p.m., on Monday, "SHOW UP TO THE IEB NOW!!! THE CROWD IS WHAT’S DETERRING THE POLICE FROM MOVING IN." ).

There needs to be a ZERO tolerance policy for this bullshit. Not 3 hours... not 2 hours... not 1 hour... not 30 minutes. Tear gas, water cannons or tasers. Take your pick because I'd probably use a baton against their heads after ignoring the first command to disperse. Enough is enough.
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I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I think that's only a temporary solution. We need to address what is causing this issue at what seems to be many of our "elite" universities. Is it rogue professors? Is it foreign students riling up other students looking to be activists? Is it administrators with an agenda? Are students just stupid and don't understand history, or are being taught an alternative history? Is it all of the above?

If it was non-violent, anti-Semitic words from students, and the school gives a wide berth to all speech, I could cut the school some slack. But most of these schools have terrible records for free speech. Harvard, Columbia, NYU are ranked dead last for free speech and their free speech rating is deemed "abysmal" (and UW is not far behind). This reflects a conscious decision by schools to only allow certain speech which includes anti-Semitic speech. (All of the Ivy League chancellors called into Congress ironically claimed they couldn't do more because they had to protect free speech rights).
 
kickingandscreaming said:
You asked what else UW could do. They could suspend the students that violated the law, if that wasn’t done. If they actually suspended them for at least 3 years, I’d say they did all that could be expected of them.
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Yeah, if they broke into a building, set fire to dumpsters, damaged property etc., then I'd kick them out. Frankly, I don't know why they wouldn't be expelled. The protesters outside, assuming they are peaceful, I'd be fine with.
 
watfly said:
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I think that's only a temporary solution. We need to address what is causing this issue at what seems to be many of our "elite" universities. Is it rogue professors? Is it foreign students riling up other students looking to be activists? Is it administrators with an agenda? Are students just stupid and don't understand history, or are being taught an alternative history? Is it all of the above?

If it was non-violent, anti-Semitic words from students, and the school gives a wide berth to all speech, I could cut the school some slack. But most of these schools have terrible records for free speech. Harvard, Columbia, NYU are ranked dead last for free speech and their free speech rating is deemed "abysmal" (and UW is not far behind). This reflects a conscious decision by schools to only allow certain speech which includes anti-Semitic speech. (All of the Ivy League chancellors called into Congress ironically claimed they couldn't do more because they had to protect free speech rights).
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Where do you get your free speech rankings from?
 
whatithink said:
Yeah, if they broke into a building, set fire to dumpsters, damaged property etc., then I'd kick them out. Frankly, I don't know why they wouldn't be expelled. The protesters outside, assuming they are peaceful, I'd be fine with.
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If they were actively protecting the lawbreakers from police, that’s not protected speech, against the law, and they should be suspended. But, absolutely - if they are within the realm of protected speech and protest, no action should be taken against them. The problems have come up due to “expanding” protected speech and protest beyond what the law says. It’s no coincidence they don’t have these problems at Florida Universities. They reiterated what was protected and announced suspensions for those violating those limitations. Consequences are great motivators.
 
watfly said:
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I think that's only a temporary solution. We need to address what is causing this issue at what seems to be many of our "elite" universities. Is it rogue professors? Is it foreign students riling up other students looking to be activists? Is it administrators with an agenda? Are students just stupid and don't understand history, or are being taught an alternative history? Is it all of the above?

If it was non-violent, anti-Semitic words from students, and the school gives a wide berth to all speech, I could cut the school some slack. But most of these schools have terrible records for free speech. Harvard, Columbia, NYU are ranked dead last for free speech and their free speech rating is deemed "abysmal" (and UW is not far behind). This reflects a conscious decision by schools to only allow certain speech which includes anti-Semitic speech. (All of the Ivy League chancellors called into Congress ironically claimed they couldn't do more because they had to protect free speech rights).
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I think you hit it with "all of the above" in conjunction with social media and the lack of accountability for this type of behavior whether it's a BLM riot or NHL championship. I've always wondered why college students think they possess all the answers when they have little to no life experience.
 
watfly said:
www.thefire.org

Homepage

FIRE’s mission is to defend and sustain the individual rights of all Americans to free speech and free thought.
www.thefire.org www.thefire.org

Very non-partisan, they take both sides to task.
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Leans right with some loaded wording but reliable.

These media sources are slight to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appealing to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation. See all Right-Center sources.

  • Overall, we rate the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) as Right-Center biased due to its strong advocacy for free speech, selective criticism of progressive policies, and funding from primarily right-leaning foundations. We rate them High for factual reporting based on proper sourcing, transparent operations, and lack of failed fact checks.
 
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