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I wonder how much our CA cheaters have taken in from the CCP? Shit, these losers mandated everyone to wear a fucking mask, stfu, stand 6 feet away, wash hands and take all of the China Jabs or your fucking fired, and your kids can't attend their Grooming Schools if they don't take all the jabs. Hello, are you political experts on here awake yet? One thing I'm certain, many of you were fucking wrong about the jabs and you obeyed these blood suckers. Wake the FUCK UP!!!

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Desert Hound said:
Point by point.

Yep we purposely outsourced manufacturing and the elites loved it. Strategically it isn't a smart move and it hurts long term US interests. That is why there is a change.

GOP as a whole has never been on board with climate change. For the forseable future fossil fuels will be the dominate energy source. It is only realistic to acknowledge that and take advantage of our resources to make us less reliant on other countries and or unreliable sources of energy (that cost a lot more to the consumer).

Healthcare? Isn't a right per say as you are implying (which I take it to be single payer).

Ten commandments? You don't see the national GOP push this. It isn't a national issue. If 4 states have this where somewhere in a classroom where kids can see it, not sure what harm it does. It doesn't...trick question. I dont push for it. But if on the spectrum of 4 states having the 10 commandments vs more dem states pushing boys can be girls...I like most people go the traditional route.

Most election denial comes from the left. One only has to look at Bush, Bush again, Trump 1 and now Trump 2. If we are to add up denial, it comes far more frequently from the left.

You will eliminate a lot of the deficit getting rid of waste, fraud, etc. So much of what we spend is totally unnecessary. A program gets put in place and just grows and grows. Our departments do not run efficiently by any stretch. What is telling that even talking of cutting waste, fraud, etc. put the D party on the vapors. CA on the state level over the past few years has spent 24 billion on the homeless with literally zero to show for it. Another endeavor was to spend billions on low income housing...with virtually all the money spent and basically no housing built. CA has spent billions on billions on the high speed train with virtually nothing built. Same crap happens on the Fed level.
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  • Business loves outsourcing as it is more profitable. Shareholders love it as it drives value. Neither care about its strategic fit or whether it hurts the US or not. I would say that the H1B program and tech outsourcing is far more detrimental to the US strategically than manufacturing, but that was shut down quickly when it came up.
  • Yes. I see they are removing clean energy subsidies in the BBB, wonder if they are going to remove the fossil fuel ones too - combined, we could probably save $30-$40B annually, split pretty much 50-50, that's be cool.
  • Access to healthcare is a right, imv. It also makes complete sense economically.
  • 19 GOP states seems pretty national to me.
  • Really?
  • We won't eliminate a lot of the deficit via waste, fraud etc., because nobody has a fucking clue what waste, fraud etc., is going on, if any. Its just a throw away phrase that sounds good and none of these pols can or has substantiated it. DOGE cancelled stuff. It was approved and funded. A lot was probably BS, but that's not waste, fraud or abuse, that a difference of opinion. The volume/value of fraud to have an impact would be colossal, and yet I don't see a deluge of new cases. Where is all the waste? Where is all the inefficiency? If its that obvious surely it should be simple to identify and eliminate?
Fwiw, I agree that there is likely waste in federal spending, but I hate unsubstantiated comments. For example, I find it fascinating that the defense budget seems to have an unwritten rule whereby 49% if the spending is internal and 51% external (MIC). If it goes up, the ratio always stays the same. That makes no rational sense to me. Its also hundreds of billions annually. Likewise, why do we give out tens of billions in corporate subsidies each year to hugely profitable companies, that makes no sense to me.
 
In all seriousness, it's time to pray for peace in the Middle East. However, I have not laughed this hard in a long time. We got Husker Du and his amazing political insights and of course whatithink, aka Grace is giving us a lecture with bullet points. I can't seem to find espola today or dad4.

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whatithink said:
On Florida, the current law falls short of the amendment at the last election which 57% of Floridians voted in favor of. It required 60% to be passed, but obviously the current law does not reflect the expressed desire of the majority of the electorate.

In 2020, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, Republican lawmakers explored ways to override presidential election results by appointing electors contrary to the popular vote. Is that not extreme?

Look at it this way, Bush was elected based on a compassionate conservative platform, none of which would sit with the GOP today. It went from that to Tea Party (Don't thread on me), which came out of Obama (remember the whole birth cert thing) and the ACA (signature issue) - which drove a definitely more combative and anti-government approach. That's all in the last 15 years or so.

The Freedom Caucus in the House is the "extreme" right-wing element, no? It was founded in 2015 with 9 members; it now has 45, so 5X as many in 10 years.

So I do find it very odd when anyone says one side has shifted but the other hasn't (really). They both have, and neither has done so "slightly".
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That's fair but abortion went to the states and, frankly, the current republican mentality stems from what Biden did (or more importantly didn't do) the last 4 years and Trump's first term was in response to 8 years of Obama. I don't think you'd be seeing people yanked off the streets if Biden hadn't done what he did with the border. They impeached Trump, went after him with bullshit charges like hush money for a porn star and made every attempt to keep him off the ballot. Sorry, that's personal. And I'd be willing to concede the whole Obama birth cert thing was just as bullshit as anything else.

Do you accept or disagree with my premise that Biden brought illegal aliens here for votes? And do you find it a bit ironic that Biden flew them around the country, in the middle of the night, but now dems have a problem with Abbott and DeSantis doing the same?
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Tariffs, making moves without Congress, the erosion or elimination of soft power entities, politicizing every part of government (including the military), Republicans looking the other way on the trump families monetizing of the presidency, the now institutional practice of placing people in charge of departments they want to abolish, the demonizing of political rivals and of course the lying about everything.
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Good God... where the fuck were you between 2021 and 2024? You JUST described the Biden Crime Family, dipshit.
 
Slobodan said:
That's fair but abortion went to the states and, frankly, the current republican mentality stems from what Biden did (or more importantly didn't do) the last 4 years and Trump's first term was in response to 8 years of Obama. I don't think you'd be seeing people yanked off the streets if Biden hadn't done what he did with the border. They impeached Trump, went after him with bullshit charges like hush money for a porn star and made every attempt to keep him off the ballot. Sorry, that's personal. And I'd be willing to concede the whole Obama birth cert thing was just as bullshit as anything else.

Do you accept or disagree with my premise that Biden brought illegal aliens here for votes? And do you find it a bit ironic that Biden flew them around the country, in the middle of the night, but now dems have a problem with Abbott and DeSantis doing the same?
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Biden absolutely fucked up the border. I don't buy the votes angle, I've seen nothing to substantiate that.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
The claims of a “left leaning media” are a crock. By crying “left leaning” the right is just upset their preferred narrative isn’t being mainstreamed beyond Fox, newsmax and the many other purely rightwing media outlets.
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Because they suck, they're full of shit and more Americans learn that with each passing day.

Or did you think Beaker Joe Scarborough, Jake "the King of Thee En en" Tapper and KJP jumped ship because of all the winning?
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Educated people with empathy. The 2A thing is a false narrative from the right, claiming it’s eminent doom is baseless.
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The false narrative is more gun laws save lives, you moron.

You don't have empathy. You're one of the sheep that think the moral high ground comes with "empathy".
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Quick poll, bomb Iran or stay out of it?
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Give Israel bunker busting bombs and let them take care of it. I'd be reluctant to get in any deeper than that. It may be unavoidable if Iran executes a serious attack against one of our bases in the Middle East.

I could be totally wrong, but Israel likely won't stop until Iran's nuclear capabilities are completely eliminated which could lead to a long drawn out conflict. It sounds like Israel doesn't have the deep penetrating weapons to wipe out the one nuclear facility, so they'd need our help with bunker busters.

America is for all intents and purposes already in it. I have to believe we have shared considerable intel with Israel, if not strategy.
 
whatithink said:
What's the objective? The last time we did regime change in Iran we installed the Shah - he was so "loved" by his people that they overthrew him and installed the Ayatollah ... the fucking Ayatollah was seen as better than the Shah, FFS. We suck at regime change.
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I heard someone say something to the effect that the "Ayatollah you know today is better than the one you might get tomorrow". Pushing for regime change is a really bad idea.
 
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