Surf Cup's Fate

I’m not concerned about precedent here because I believe the facts of a global pandemic are distinguishable from gambling, prostitution, pot shops, abortions etc. So, the only time precedent will be an issue is during a global pandemic every 100 or so years. No biggie.

I also don’t agree with framing the issue as a “blanket out of state tournament ban.” No one cares about kiddie soccer. We are in the midst of a global pandemic with over 300,000 dead already. So, setting policy to protect citizens of the state during an emergency global pandemic is well within police powers.

You’ve suggested a reasonable policy that will never be adopted. The San Ysidro port of entry is too important and the quarantine suggested would close the port. Setting policy is kinda like setting goals-they have to be realistic and attainable. Shutting down San Ysidro isn’t realistic or attainable.

Let me try again on the framing, I agree it was a bit broad. This is an issue of CA prohibiting its citizens from going somewhere else to play a sport (soccer as it concerns us in this forum) where people will gather but also where it is legal in an effort to reduce the spread of COVID 19 during a global pandemic.

It's power reach that is the issue, not the fact that it impacts kiddie soccer, and it is that power reach that interferes with issues of interstate commerce, contracts, and substantive due process. Can you think of any regulation where one State prohibits its residents from participating in lawful activity while they’re in another State?

I think you’d agree with me that the State has a legitimate and compelling public interest in protecting the health and safety of its citizens, whether it is a global pandemic, local epidemic, or even noon on a Tuesday, right? For that reason I disagree that it matters for purposes of precedent setting whether this particular pandemic is a distinguishing context for such a reach. The distinguishing thing here is the reach itself in trying to combat a virus when compared to other pandemics.

Someone on this thread mentioned STD’s being down. So here’s an example. Sexually transmitted infections (STIs) are an enormous health crisis and is also categorized as a global pandemic, one we’ve been in for decades. I’m not 50 and I remember the hysteria of the AIDS epidemic in the 80s. Americans report approximately 20 million new STIs to the CDC every year and it is rising. Certain STIs are linked to cancer, not curable, and new cases of STIs are disproportionately high in people aged 15-24 who are the most sexually active (i.e. people spreading the disease) and do not treat because they are more often uninsured and the symptoms often don’t present until more serious health conditions arise. Sound familiar? Yet it is undisputed that all STIs are preventable and for this reason prostitution is illegal in CA. BUT, there is no law or regulation prohibiting Californians from hiring prostitutes while in certain counties in Nevada or abroad where it is legal. Why not? Similarly Los Angeles County a few years ago, using the justification that porn actors were spreading STIs into the community required the actors to wear condoms during filming in the County. So the locations of filming moved outside the County. If the justification is real, why the did the County not require all porn actors living in the County to always use protection when filming regardless of location?

Maybe it is because the positivity rate and death rate associated with STIs is within a range that is acceptable to society? Maybe it is because they are transmitted through sexual acts instead of through the air, but still to unsuspecting citizens. Those are ridiculous distinctions if the concern is about public health and eliminating a pandemic. You say no one cares about kiddie soccer, well who the hell cares enough about dudes hiring prostitutes to keep such a ban off the books?

Yes 300,000 Americans have died and it’s tragic and awful and fairly close to home for me. A person in my office lost her father last month to COVID. Is that what this is about, hitting a large number of deaths is justification for banning legal activity in another State? If so, what was the triggering number?

If we want prevent COVID from coming into CA, we need to lock it down, we need real quarantines, not just kiddie soccer ones? How many truck drivers do you think cross in and out of CA every single day? And people want to talk about a 1,000 families (if that) from CA traveling for youth sports like it is somehow the difference maker to ending this pandemic? CA truck stops along I10 have see more out of state truckers in a month than Reach 11 will see in a year and I'm sure you've seen all the precautions they're taking to prevent the spread of COVID. That is just one of many truck routes into the State.

I hear you when you say it has to be realistic and attainable. Why is it not? There is a whole industry out there because CA already has greater restrictions on the number of axles, etc. I see huge opportunity here for the industry to expand increasing employment opportunity, not only in CA but in bordering States, consisting of CA truckers at the borders dropping off loads leaving CA and taking over loads entering CA where the delivery of those goods that are perishable, cannot wait, or even where the shipper or end consumer doesn't want to wait for a quarantine period. Is there an economic impact, yes, but what is compared to dragging this nonsense we're going through along endlessly? As it is right now, to my knowledge, truckers are only asked if they have any symptoms and if they say they're not, they are allowed to proceed.
 
Why are you so easily offended Karen?

Oh Im not offended honey, Im just tired of people. Once the sun sets again and teams can play regularly , alot of you will get off your little imaginary plane ride and realize that during this break all of the top team have been staying quiet and working and will again sweep each team like they have pre covid....(even during)

I found your post hilarious thats all,

Just to be clear you opt'ed out because of no competition or schedules ????. How do you know who's playing.

Who's the real Karen here.

Too say a bold statement like that you must have a amazing team thats got more hardware then anyone else in the past 3 year?

worst yet , your coach probably fed you that line .
 
When you bring up science , they just can't answer it can they. I hope Surf Cup is on , if it is we definitely plan on going still.


how is this quote real? Have you walked all the fields, not is as bad as galloway or lancaster fields, even throw some vegas in there----did study all the teams and the schedules,

whoa sorry there princess.

AZ teams have never traditionally been strong teams, you would think you guys would participate just because of all the attention and scrimmages you have been getting, quality of competition are you serious, you must be related to Luis or Crush

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How silly is your assertation about fields. I've been on most fields that soccer is played on in the greater phoenix area. Why would Surf want to play their "best of the best" tournament on anything other than top notch fields? But please let me know how great those fields are this time of year that aren't Scottsdale or Reach. You'll get SSC, but that's it. Dead grass and dust this time of the year. But's that fine for a "not the best of the best" tournament.

So quick to talk down AZ soccer. Doesn't really bother parents in AZ, you guys clearly have the advantage with your population density, doesn't hurt my feelings. With that said, AZ letter league teams do just fine against the mighty socal clubs, especially on the girls side. You provide great training grounds for our players to be seen and to play at the next level. I personally thank you for making both of my players better. We've consistently won and been at the top of the table the last 3 yrs whilst playing against the top clubs in CA.

You are just mad that many if not most of the top teams in CA are not coming and that all of the AZ top girls teams aren't playing, thus watering down the "best of the best". I don't know where you stand in terms of the club you play on and I don't really care, playing is playing.

Just call it what is is, a severely watered down soccer event. Just get over the denial. It's your choice to come and fortunately you are free to make this choice at least for today anyway. We will see what other travel directives are thrown your way and we will see what happens on the AZ public health front. In all seriousness, we are worse off than where we were in JULY, and that's not a good thing, because JUN/JULY was bad.

I'm not a rona hysteric by any means and an firmly on the side of making adult choices on behalf of your family. I'm not interested in governments telling me what to do. I will tell you this, Phoenix hospitals are full to the brim with COVID patients - it's not click bait or a catchy headline. Go look up the stats yourself, I'm not here to prove anything to you. As a parent, my biggest fear right now is to have to take my kids or spouse for emergent treatment and not having the facilities/capacity/care available to rapidly assess and treat. My kids are still going to practice, they are still going to school, and one is a driver. Things happen and people have to go to the ER. I am choosing to live as normal a life as I can and resist the urge to protect my kids at all costs. Hospital capacity and lack of care is a real thing right now, something to be considered.

So have at it and come to AZ with open eyes. I wish you the safest of travels and that your player enjoys him/herself.
 
Let me try again on the framing, I agree it was a bit broad. This is an issue of CA prohibiting its citizens from going somewhere else to play a sport (soccer as it concerns us in this forum) where people will gather but also where it is legal in an effort to reduce the spread of COVID 19 during a global pandemic.

It's power reach that is the issue, not the fact that it impacts kiddie soccer, and it is that power reach that interferes with issues of interstate commerce, contracts, and substantive due process. Can you think of any regulation where one State prohibits its residents from participating in lawful activity while they’re in another State?

I think you’d agree with me that the State has a legitimate and compelling public interest in protecting the health and safety of its citizens, whether it is a global pandemic, local epidemic, or even noon on a Tuesday, right? For that reason I disagree that it matters for purposes of precedent setting whether this particular pandemic is a distinguishing context for such a reach. The distinguishing thing here is the reach itself in trying to combat a virus when compared to other pandemics.

Someone on this thread mentioned STD’s being down. So here’s an example. Sexually transmitted infections (STIs) are an enormous health crisis and is also categorized as a global pandemic, one we’ve been in for decades. I’m not 50 and I remember the hysteria of the AIDS epidemic in the 80s. Americans report approximately 20 million new STIs to the CDC every year and it is rising. Certain STIs are linked to cancer, not curable, and new cases of STIs are disproportionately high in people aged 15-24 who are the most sexually active (i.e. people spreading the disease) and do not treat because they are more often uninsured and the symptoms often don’t present until more serious health conditions arise. Sound familiar? Yet it is undisputed that all STIs are preventable and for this reason prostitution is illegal in CA. BUT, there is no law or regulation prohibiting Californians from hiring prostitutes while in certain counties in Nevada or abroad where it is legal. Why not? Similarly Los Angeles County a few years ago, using the justification that porn actors were spreading STIs into the community required the actors to wear condoms during filming in the County. So the locations of filming moved outside the County. If the justification is real, why the did the County not require all porn actors living in the County to always use protection when filming regardless of location?

Maybe it is because the positivity rate and death rate associated with STIs is within a range that is acceptable to society? Maybe it is because they are transmitted through sexual acts instead of through the air, but still to unsuspecting citizens. Those are ridiculous distinctions if the concern is about public health and eliminating a pandemic. You say no one cares about kiddie soccer, well who the hell cares enough about dudes hiring prostitutes to keep such a ban off the books?

Yes 300,000 Americans have died and it’s tragic and awful and fairly close to home for me. A person in my office lost her father last month to COVID. Is that what this is about, hitting a large number of deaths is justification for banning legal activity in another State? If so, what was the triggering number?

If we want prevent COVID from coming into CA, we need to lock it down, we need real quarantines, not just kiddie soccer ones? How many truck drivers do you think cross in and out of CA every single day? And people want to talk about a 1,000 families (if that) from CA traveling for youth sports like it is somehow the difference maker to ending this pandemic? CA truck stops along I10 have see more out of state truckers in a month than Reach 11 will see in a year and I'm sure you've seen all the precautions they're taking to prevent the spread of COVID. That is just one of many truck routes into the State.

I hear you when you say it has to be realistic and attainable. Why is it not? There is a whole industry out there because CA already has greater restrictions on the number of axles, etc. I see huge opportunity here for the industry to expand increasing employment opportunity, not only in CA but in bordering States, consisting of CA truckers at the borders dropping off loads leaving CA and taking over loads entering CA where the delivery of those goods that are perishable, cannot wait, or even where the shipper or end consumer doesn't want to wait for a quarantine period. Is there an economic impact, yes, but what is compared to dragging this nonsense we're going through along endlessly? As it is right now, to my knowledge, truckers are only asked if they have any symptoms and if they say they're not, they are allowed to proceed.

Isn’t there a distinction between essential travel (truck drivers) and non-essential travel (leisure/recreation... I.e tournaments)? Restrictions on travel are thus differentiated from restrictions on out of state activities. Net effect, however, is the same.
 
Cheerleading was always in the yellow tier if indoors. I guess CIF is saying its impractical to move either basketball or cheerleading outdoors....true? I thought the entire big Florida cheer competition took place outdoors...at least that's what Netflix tells me?
Yeah, I assume sideline cheerleading is OK (even though there is nothing to cheer for). Competitive cheerleading is typically indoors, but easily moved outdoors. Hopefully the cheer squads will lobby for that.
 
Thank you for your kind words, but have you seen the schedule or are you just speculating that its water down , just curious where the science is in your thought.
We're a top club and still attending .
 
Oh Im not offended honey, Im just tired of people. Once the sun sets again and teams can play regularly , alot of you will get off your little imaginary plane ride and realize that during this break all of the top team have been staying quiet and working and will again sweep each team like they have pre covid....(even during)

I found your post hilarious thats all,

1 Just to be clear you opt'ed out because of no competition or schedules ????.

2. How do you know who's playing.

3. Who's the real Karen here.

4. Too say a bold statement like that you must have a amazing team thats got more hardware then anyone else in the past 3 year?

5. worst yet , your coach probably fed you that line .
1. Yes to both
2 We know know who's not playing, and it's not the "best of the best",
3. You
4. We haven't won any hardware, it's usualy won by the mighty socal teams or the powerhouses of TX, CO, GA
5. I hardly ever talk to the coaches, they coach, my kids play, I watch. Normally we are CA twice a month, this year not so much, you are here every weekend. Coaches really don't have time to talk to us.
 
Thank you for your kind words, but have you seen the schedule or are you just speculating that its water down , just curious where the science is in your thought.
We're a top club and still attending .
Clarify science and thought. We likely agree on the topic of science, soccer, and the virus. We likely disagree on making choices based on information available. That's where we would agree to disagree. Again, safe travels, the weather will be lovely.
 
Isn’t there a distinction between essential travel (truck drivers) and non-essential travel (leisure/recreation... I.e tournaments)? Restrictions on travel are thus differentiated from restrictions on out of state activities. Net effect, however, is the same.

Yes, there is a distinction in the guidance. My point is I don't believe a State has the authority nor should have the authority to legislate my conduct when I am outside of its boundaries and conducting myself lawfully within the State I'm visiting or residing in. If we're going to go to that length to combat this virus in the name of preventing further introduction of COVID into the State, then the more appropriate measure is a mandatory quarantine period for all travelers coming into the State regardless of purpose.
 
300,000 people are dead and another 3,000 plus every day. Not 14 like you claim. People aren’t dying odd heartburn and other “comorbidities” at catastrophic numbers as you claim.

Suck it up buttercup. It’s no wonder so many kids are having a hard time. There are a lot of parents like you out there who would prefer to whine and wallow in self pity instead of finding ways to keep you children moving forward. I can’t imagine having to live in a house with a dad who spends all his time complaining about how everything is someone else’s fault. Woe is you.

Such a tough little sheep from behind his keyboard locked away in his bubble. I guarantee he does not even have any children involved in youth soccer yet on here 24/7 belittling everyone. What a complete tool desperate for attention trying to feel important and most certainly the smartest sheep in the room.
 
Let me try again on the framing, I agree it was a bit broad. This is an issue of CA prohibiting its citizens from going somewhere else to play a sport (soccer as it concerns us in this forum) where people will gather but also where it is legal in an effort to reduce the spread of COVID 19 during a global pandemic.

It's power reach that is the issue, not the fact that it impacts kiddie soccer, and it is that power reach that interferes with issues of interstate commerce, contracts, and substantive due process. Can you think of any regulation where one State prohibits its residents from participating in lawful activity while they’re in another State?

I think you’d agree with me that the State has a legitimate and compelling public interest in protecting the health and safety of its citizens, whether it is a global pandemic, local epidemic, or even noon on a Tuesday, right? For that reason I disagree that it matters for purposes of precedent setting whether this particular pandemic is a distinguishing context for such a reach. The distinguishing thing here is the reach itself in trying to combat a virus when compared to other pandemics.

Someone on this thread mentioned STD’s being down. So here’s an example. Sexually transmitted infections (STIs) are an enormous health crisis and is also categorized as a global pandemic, one we’ve been in for decades. I’m not 50 and I remember the hysteria of the AIDS epidemic in the 80s. Americans report approximately 20 million new STIs to the CDC every year and it is rising. Certain STIs are linked to cancer, not curable, and new cases of STIs are disproportionately high in people aged 15-24 who are the most sexually active (i.e. people spreading the disease) and do not treat because they are more often uninsured and the symptoms often don’t present until more serious health conditions arise. Sound familiar? Yet it is undisputed that all STIs are preventable and for this reason prostitution is illegal in CA. BUT, there is no law or regulation prohibiting Californians from hiring prostitutes while in certain counties in Nevada or abroad where it is legal. Why not? Similarly Los Angeles County a few years ago, using the justification that porn actors were spreading STIs into the community required the actors to wear condoms during filming in the County. So the locations of filming moved outside the County. If the justification is real, why the did the County not require all porn actors living in the County to always use protection when filming regardless of location?

Maybe it is because the positivity rate and death rate associated with STIs is within a range that is acceptable to society? Maybe it is because they are transmitted through sexual acts instead of through the air, but still to unsuspecting citizens. Those are ridiculous distinctions if the concern is about public health and eliminating a pandemic. You say no one cares about kiddie soccer, well who the hell cares enough about dudes hiring prostitutes to keep such a ban off the books?

Yes 300,000 Americans have died and it’s tragic and awful and fairly close to home for me. A person in my office lost her father last month to COVID. Is that what this is about, hitting a large number of deaths is justification for banning legal activity in another State? If so, what was the triggering number?

If we want prevent COVID from coming into CA, we need to lock it down, we need real quarantines, not just kiddie soccer ones? How many truck drivers do you think cross in and out of CA every single day? And people want to talk about a 1,000 families (if that) from CA traveling for youth sports like it is somehow the difference maker to ending this pandemic? CA truck stops along I10 have see more out of state truckers in a month than Reach 11 will see in a year and I'm sure you've seen all the precautions they're taking to prevent the spread of COVID. That is just one of many truck routes into the State.

I hear you when you say it has to be realistic and attainable. Why is it not? There is a whole industry out there because CA already has greater restrictions on the number of axles, etc. I see huge opportunity here for the industry to expand increasing employment opportunity, not only in CA but in bordering States, consisting of CA truckers at the borders dropping off loads leaving CA and taking over loads entering CA where the delivery of those goods that are perishable, cannot wait, or even where the shipper or end consumer doesn't want to wait for a quarantine period. Is there an economic impact, yes, but what is compared to dragging this nonsense we're going through along endlessly? As it is right now, to my knowledge, truckers are only asked if they have any symptoms and if they say they're not, they are allowed to proceed.

Somebody’s so angry they couldn’t stop writing. No, CA probably cannot keep someone from doing stupid things out of state. But it certainly has many legal tools make your life miserable when you return. It could make you quarantine and arrest your ass if you didn’t. A city could potentially take away a club’s business license for violating regulations as rumor has it Santa Clara has done. Presumably the state could implement regs that do the same. CA has every right to take action against idiots wjo try to endanger its responsible citizens.

But, mostly, it can punish you by keeping schools, restaurants, bars, etc. closed, and ruin your kid’s ability to get recruited by collegesor even play soccer for less than $500 a weekend for as long as it takes for you to get the point, which you never will. So your punishment is that it costs you $500 for your kid to play soccer until a vaccine is widely available.
 
Here's the 16 page NFHSA Medical Advisory Committee guidance published back in the fall - https://nfhs.org/media/3812287/2020...nd-activities-nfhs-smac-may-15_2020-final.pdf

Below are their definitions and, importantly, criteria for grouping the sports into different tiers (which is the minimum the gov owes the players and the families)

per NFHSA, soccer is moderate risk i.e. should be red tier.

Almost every state - including WA and OR - California is following their guidance, but not California.
@Kante, you're too logical for these discussions. :) (BTW, I miss reading your boys game prediction/analysis). Imagine the shitstorm governor will receive if he puts soccer in the moderate tier and his daughter gets to play club soccer before high school football is allowed.
 
Let me try again on the framing, I agree it was a bit broad. This is an issue of CA prohibiting its citizens from going somewhere else to play a sport (soccer as it concerns us in this forum) where people will gather but also where it is legal in an effort to reduce the spread of COVID 19 during a global pandemic.

It's power reach that is the issue, not the fact that it impacts kiddie soccer, and it is that power reach that interferes with issues of interstate commerce, contracts, and substantive due process. Can you think of any regulation where one State prohibits its residents from participating in lawful activity while they’re in another State?

I think you’d agree with me that the State has a legitimate and compelling public interest in protecting the health and safety of its citizens, whether it is a global pandemic, local epidemic, or even noon on a Tuesday, right? For that reason I disagree that it matters for purposes of precedent setting whether this particular pandemic is a distinguishing context for such a reach. The distinguishing thing here is the reach itself in trying to combat a virus when compared to other pandemics.

Someone on this thread mentioned STD’s being down. So here’s an example. Sexually transmitted infections (STIs) are an enormous health crisis and is also categorized as a global pandemic, one we’ve been in for decades. I’m not 50 and I remember the hysteria of the AIDS epidemic in the 80s. Americans report approximately 20 million new STIs to the CDC every year and it is rising. Certain STIs are linked to cancer, not curable, and new cases of STIs are disproportionately high in people aged 15-24 who are the most sexually active (i.e. people spreading the disease) and do not treat because they are more often uninsured and the symptoms often don’t present until more serious health conditions arise. Sound familiar? Yet it is undisputed that all STIs are preventable and for this reason prostitution is illegal in CA. BUT, there is no law or regulation prohibiting Californians from hiring prostitutes while in certain counties in Nevada or abroad where it is legal. Why not? Similarly Los Angeles County a few years ago, using the justification that porn actors were spreading STIs into the community required the actors to wear condoms during filming in the County. So the locations of filming moved outside the County. If the justification is real, why the did the County not require all porn actors living in the County to always use protection when filming regardless of location?

Maybe it is because the positivity rate and death rate associated with STIs is within a range that is acceptable to society? Maybe it is because they are transmitted through sexual acts instead of through the air, but still to unsuspecting citizens. Those are ridiculous distinctions if the concern is about public health and eliminating a pandemic. You say no one cares about kiddie soccer, well who the hell cares enough about dudes hiring prostitutes to keep such a ban off the books?

Yes 300,000 Americans have died and it’s tragic and awful and fairly close to home for me. A person in my office lost her father last month to COVID. Is that what this is about, hitting a large number of deaths is justification for banning legal activity in another State? If so, what was the triggering number?

If we want prevent COVID from coming into CA, we need to lock it down, we need real quarantines, not just kiddie soccer ones? How many truck drivers do you think cross in and out of CA every single day? And people want to talk about a 1,000 families (if that) from CA traveling for youth sports like it is somehow the difference maker to ending this pandemic? CA truck stops along I10 have see more out of state truckers in a month than Reach 11 will see in a year and I'm sure you've seen all the precautions they're taking to prevent the spread of COVID. That is just one of many truck routes into the State.

I hear you when you say it has to be realistic and attainable. Why is it not? There is a whole industry out there because CA already has greater restrictions on the number of axles, etc. I see huge opportunity here for the industry to expand increasing employment opportunity, not only in CA but in bordering States, consisting of CA truckers at the borders dropping off loads leaving CA and taking over loads entering CA where the delivery of those goods that are perishable, cannot wait, or even where the shipper or end consumer doesn't want to wait for a quarantine period. Is there an economic impact, yes, but what is compared to dragging this nonsense we're going through along endlessly? As it is right now, to my knowledge, truckers are only asked if they have any symptoms and if they say they're not, they are allowed to proceed.
Compelling analysis but I think we just frame issues differently. I don’t see a power grab or a prohibition on out of state activities. I do see an order that attempts to keep folks from circumventing orders issued by the State of California in hopes of reducing the spread of COVID. The governor has gaffed a few times but I haven’t seen any evidence of him preventing out of state activity. If you were governor, and wanted to save lives by preventing folks from circumventing orders issued to slow the spread of COVID, what would you do differently?

A complete lockdown is too extreme and would hurt all more than the current restrictions. If we took the lockdown to the extreme and closed all ports (airports, seaports, international borders, and state lines) we would decimate small businesses and the economy. Do you like can food? How would we distribute the vaccine with the airports closed? Do you really want to shut it all down?
 
I look forward to watching my kids play, will you be watching games?
I will not be watching games. Great time of the year in AZ to head to the great outdoors. We'll have plenty of soccer to watch come the second weekend JAN and beyond. Crossing fingers that HS season commences for my oldest. My youngest has opted out of HS t and will be taking part in friendlies until the club season in AZ kicks off again.
 
Yes, there is a distinction in the guidance. My point is I don't believe a State has the authority nor should have the authority to legislate my conduct when I am outside of its boundaries and conducting myself lawfully within the State I'm visiting or residing in. If we're going to go to that length to combat this virus in the name of preventing further introduction of COVID into the State, then the more appropriate measure is a mandatory quarantine period for all travelers coming into the State regardless of purpose.
It's a line few if any governments are willing to cross. That's where civil liberties, the constitution, ect come into play. People have to be convinced, based on common sense policy, to do the right thing. Arbitrary words with lack of believable science to back things up just pisses people off, especially business owners. There's no enforcement appetite for it other than some politician spewing off at the mouth of how he/she is going to save everyone.

NYC has tried variations of it all summer long and just as recent as NOV. Checkpoints along bridges and train points of entry. It generated headlines but that's about it. Didn't work, won't work, not gonna work. The virus is going to spread. I tell you what's about to work in NYC, a snowstorm. At least for a few days anyway.

The only way to force people to not travel outside of the state is to go after organizations that are participating or encouraging people to travel outside of the state.

Crazy times.
 
Thank you for your kind words, but have you seen the schedule or are you just speculating that its water down , just curious where the science is in your thought.
We're a top club and still attending .
I don't know if I have to see a schedule. I should be able to rely on my club to surmise that the teams we normally play are not going and the teams that we would like to play are not going. So I guess science isn't being applied. Clubs have relationships, they talk. Logistically, Surf is easy for me and many in our club. Reach and SSC are less than 20 mins for many. The eastern fields are a haul but we would be playing at Reach.

If you are a strong team, and other traditionally strong teams in your age group/league aren't going, then the play on the field is going to be different than what you are used to.
 
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