Surf Cup's Fate

Lavey29 said:
Exactly, these clown sheep dont anything about Surf cup tournament as far as how many teams committed and how many chose not to play. That tournament attracts teams from around the country also where their youth sports were never paused for the China virus. What an exceptional life they must live inside their bubbles with nothing better to do then talking trash about another clubs tournament 24/7.

Let them kids play Surf...
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What's your take Mr. Insider? Within the confines of this very post, you are the only person who can't watch their player play an officially sanctioned game within their zip code. That's a bubble, whether self imposed or not.

But the intellectual banter back and forth is fun. If Surf pulls this off, hats off to them for their ability to negotiate. Don't take it so personal, this particular subject is being discussed to determine whether we think Surf will happen or not. The prevailing winds seem to not be in your favor.

Accusing someone of trashing Surf is is laughable, just like your doctrinal use of the term China Virus. I particularly don't care if you use the words, doesn't offend me, the virus did come from China. But your intent is juvenile and lame.

That's it for me for a bit. I need to put on my PPE so I can leave my "bubble". I have a player who needs to be at a legal practice in 30 mins. Maybe I'll responsibly order take out on the way home, and maybe have a socially distanced beer poured from the masked bartender while I wait.
 
EOTL said:
All I’ve said is coaches like Baker and Deza have clout with college coaches and all they need to do is pick up a phone and your kid is pretty much there unless they screw it up. That’s a fact. It just is. I didn’t say I think Baker’s a good coach. I didn’t even say I agree with his, er, style. I never even recommended him. I never said he’s a nice guy, and I never even said he hasn’t crossed the line, although I did thoroughly enjoy pushing your and others’ buttons about what does and doesn’t constitute abuse.

In response to what isn’t even the least bit controversial even if you disagree with it, I’ve got people claiming I said he is the only person in SoCal with that power and am a liar, that I told them that their daughter sucked because they played for someone else, that I hate small clubs, that I support people who throw things at people, that I support kids training 7 days a week until they break their knees, etc. It’s this kind of crazy that I love most about this place. Real cray cray.

I will apologize for saying you misquoted me because I mistook you for @SoccerFan4Life. Kinda similar names. My mistake. I am sorry.
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Plenty of parents would tolerate a coach like this if "They build winners!!" Or if they can get your kid a 1/4 ride scholarship to some D1 school in Montana.
www.tmz.com

Youth Football Coach Investigated for Child Abuse, Worked In Law Enforcement

The coach who attacked the kid has been identified at Gerrel Williams -- who actually worked for a Sheriff's Dept. in Georgia.
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happy9 said:
What's your take Mr. Insider? Within the confines of this very post, you are the only person who can't watch their player play an officially sanctioned game within their zip code. That's a bubble, whether self imposed or not.

But the intellectual banter back and forth is fun. If Surf pulls this off, hats off to them for their ability to negotiate. Don't take it so personal, this particular subject is being discussed to determine whether we think Surf will happen or not. The prevailing winds seem to not be in your favor.

Accusing someone of trashing Surf is is laughable, just like your doctrinal use of the term China Virus. I particularly don't care if you use the words, doesn't offend me, the virus did come from China. But your intent is juvenile and lame.

That's it for me for a bit. I need to put on my PPE so I can leave my "bubble". I have a player who needs to be at a legal practice in 30 mins. Maybe I'll responsibly order take out on the way home, and maybe have a socially distanced beer poured from the masked bartender while I wait.
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You have no personal direct info about Surf cup teams. No first hand knowledge whatsoever. All you have is alleged hearsay but yet you post it all over forum sectionstalking trash about the club. Some of the strangest behaviors I've ever seen on a soccer forum and you are not alone doing it either. Several other sheep follow right behind again with no personal direct info just their speculation combined with trash talking the club. Obviously you guys are jealous of the success of the club and their player development.
 
Lavey29 said:
Exactly, these clown sheep dont anything about Surf cup tournament as far as how many teams committed and how many chose not to play. That tournament attracts teams from around the country also where their youth sports were never paused for the China virus. What an exceptional life they must live inside their bubbles with nothing better to do then talking trash about another clubs tournament 24/7.

Let them kids play Surf...
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Look, we'll all be back in August. A few, like GT45 are still going. I hope his family has some nice games.

But some people are trying to decide if it is worth the trip. If it is a watered down tournament, maybe they want to know that before they travel 500 miles for some 6-0 games.

Flip side, if your team is a bit weaker, maybe watered down sounds great.

But either way people would like to know what it is this year.
 
Lavey29 said:
surfcupsports.com

Surf Sports

Bringing the Best of the Best to America’s Finest City
surfcupsports.com surfcupsports.com

They are certainly affiliated with Surf soccer. Surf soccer is boldly displayed on their home webpage.
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Its not the same org though. Surf Cup Sports is a for profit company, not a soccer club.

So nobody is trashing another clubs tournament, which you contended. That's all.

Rated Sports, who run the Desert Super Cup & Phoenix Cup in AZ do the same thing, i.e. "affiliate" with some local club or clubs, throw them some $ and make far more for themselves.

For either of these sport event companies, its about their profits.

No big deal IMO, just not to be confused with actual club tournaments where the money is going to non profit youth soccer orgs.
 
Lavey29 said:
You dont think they have affiliation with the club for this event?
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Surf Cup Sports grew out of San Diegutio Surf Soccer Club when someone realized these advantages of splitting off the profitable part into a separate corporation. They are still intermingled to a degree known only to insiders. I'm not sure if there is any relationship with Sudbury Properties, who runs the soccer fields ar El Corazon in Oceanside.
 
espola said:
Surf Cup Sports grew out of San Diegutio Surf Soccer Club when someone realized these advantages of splitting off the profitable part into a separate corporation. They are still intermingled to a degree known only to insiders. I'm not sure if there is any relationship with Sudbury Properties, who runs the soccer fields ar El Corazon in Oceanside.
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Sure, but how much of the benefit goes to insiders and how much goes to the kids?

Unless the non profit owns Surf Cup Sports, it sounds like insiders at the club walked off with one of the key assets of the organization.
 
Lavey29 said:
You have no personal direct info about Surf cup teams. No first hand knowledge whatsoever. All you have is alleged hearsay but yet you post it all over forum sectionstalking trash about the club. Some of the strangest behaviors I've ever seen on a soccer forum and you are not alone doing it either. Several other sheep follow right behind again with no personal direct info just their speculation combined with trash talking the club. Obviously you guys are jealous of the success of the club and their player development.
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You crack me up with your doctrinal words - sheep, China Virus, bubble. Isn't it ironic that you use the term sheep? At least you haven't used snowflake in awhile.

As far as "hearsay is concerned" I will concede that I'm not 100% sure about the 400 teams pulling. I'm confident in my source, which happens to have a direct line to Surf, but that number has yet to be confirmed. Here is some not hearsay:

1. City of Phoenix will not make fields available
2. City of Peoria will not make fields available
3. City of Tempe will not make fields available
4. Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa are not accepting field requests
6. Buckeye, Goodyear, Surprise are not allowing tournaments
7. 169 ICU beds available today, Banner Health Chief Clinical Officer projects they will reach capacity by end of week and be at 125% capacity next week. I'm not a rona hysteric but metrics matter to Surf's fate. The good rona news is that the fatality rate of those infected continues to drop, even with rising positivity rates. Good thing right?
8. AZ ECNL/GA teams are not participating
9. Looks like Norcal ECNL teams are not participating and a growing number of socal ECNL/GA teams are not participating.

I'm beginning to to think that you have zero connection to any club or youth futbol in general in socal. As a parent of players that have been playing against Surf teams for years, I have zero reason to trash talk Surf or wish them ill will. AZ players have benefited from playing Surf teams for as long as I can remember. The CA and AZ youth soccer landscape benefit when Surf is putting on top notch showcases that attracts the "best of the best".

In this case, this event will not be the best of the best, and they know it. It's unfortunate but I'm sure they will rebound and put on their Showcases over the summer or coordinate to have those moved out of state. Cross your fingers that a vaccine is deployed efficiently and that people take it.
 
dad4 said:
Flip side, if your team is a bit weaker, maybe watered down sounds great.

But either way people would like to know what it is this year.
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Hadn't looked at it this way.

And yes, inquiring minds want to know, especially those trying to plan a trip.
 
You guys crack me up , your saying watered down tournament , don't go, but for the last three months more than 3/4'rs of you have been driving 6 hours for fucking scrimmages?????


I hope it happens cause Id like to watch my kids play , but if it doesn't or my team decides not to go or my teams didnt get approved I will/would not be a hater like all of you . (which alot did , has anyone brought that up, maybe your team wasn't accepted they had to shrink the tournament multiple times)

You same people are going to shit talk all the winners too, guarantee'd Oh if my team was there, blah blah blah.


Seriously some of you guys are posers , like do you really think Surf isn't a great tournament? Maybe its changed up but its going to be better than anything else going on now, theres teams from all over that come to play (hopefully)

For as long as I can remember theres always been the shit talkers of Surf Cup and typically their lower level team that don't get accepted

ps. HS Soccer is purely for fun, the level of talent is no where near the club level unless the team is stacked 18 deep with club players.
 
happy9 said:
You crack me up with your doctrinal words - sheep, China Virus, bubble. Isn't it ironic that you use the term sheep? At least you haven't used snowflake in awhile.

As far as "hearsay is concerned" I will concede that I'm not 100% sure about the 400 teams pulling. I'm confident in my source, which happens to have a direct line to Surf, but that number has yet to be confirmed. Here is some not hearsay:

1. City of Phoenix will not make fields available
2. City of Peoria will not make fields available
3. City of Tempe will not make fields available
4. Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa are not accepting field requests
6. Buckeye, Goodyear, Surprise are not allowing tournaments
7. 169 ICU beds available today, Banner Health Chief Clinical Officer projects they will reach capacity by end of week and be at 125% capacity next week. I'm not a rona hysteric but metrics matter to Surf's fate. The good rona news is that the fatality rate of those infected continues to drop, even with rising positivity rates. Good thing right?
8. AZ ECNL/GA teams are not participating
9. Looks like Norcal ECNL teams are not participating and a growing number of socal ECNL/GA teams are not participating.

I'm beginning to to think that you have zero connection to any club or youth futbol in general in socal. As a parent of players that have been playing against Surf teams for years, I have zero reason to trash talk Surf or wish them ill will. AZ players have benefited from playing Surf teams for as long as I can remember. The CA and AZ youth soccer landscape benefit when Surf is putting on top notch showcases that attracts the "best of the best".

In this case, this event will not be the best of the best, and they know it. It's unfortunate but I'm sure they will rebound and put on their Showcases over the summer or coordinate to have those moved out of state. Cross your fingers that a vaccine is deployed efficiently and that people take it.
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So....you must be talking about olders, because scottsdale, a city you didn't name, is where surf cup will be for youngers. If 400 teams from youngers pulled out that would mean almost 100% of teams, which is easily false.
 
I feel sorry for y'all out there.

I imagine if teams were getting to play local games (proving to be safe) there wouldn't be an insatiable desire to play a giant tournament where thousands of families will gather together indoors for several days when not playing games (proving to be unsafe).

This weekend is the final one for Texas ECNL in 2020. Got in 80% of the fall season without a single report of player to player transmission on the field in games or in the fully normal training sessions we've been doing since June. About 20% of games were rescheduled to the spring due to clubs being cautious (if a player or coach on any team was positive and had contact with others, a 14 day quarantine was enacted for the team). High school season is just now about to kick off.

Maybe we just got lucky, but playing the local/regional games has been perfectly fine. I would do it again, as would every other family in the conference whose girls got some slice of a semblance of normalcy through soccer, and believe it has been safe for those involved and for the communities where games were played.

But I would not be good with our team dropping in with hundreds of other teams in some community for a week. There is no way that isn't a potential big risk and a bad idea given all that is going on.

If there was more logic and reason being applied to letting people do safe outdoor activities locally, there wouldn't be this burning need for many to try and squeeze in Surf Cup or any risky major travel events, no matter the consequences.
 
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