Surf cup throws in the towel...well kind of!

Are there really that many families that desperate for a soccer tournament to give up their xmas or New Year holidays? MLS, ECNL and other leagues already have showcases scheduled outside CA so plenty of opportunity to be seen. This is Surf desperate for income - ignore the altruistic angle they're pitching. I'm sure there will be a mandatory stay in sponsored hotel requirement too.
My DD's team lost two players who are moving to states where competitive soccer is a go. One is moving to Texas, the other to Georgia. So, if families are willing to move to play soccer, they are certainly willing to give up one holiday for their DD's to play.
 
I can understand going if you have an uncommitted 2021, 2022 grad. 2023 grads will be too early now that existing college players get an extra year of eligibility. All others going are more for the parents than the kids. Use the time and money to do something extra special with/for your kids, especially in this crazy time. Say "bye" to 2020 with its lessons of family first in mind (pandemic, Kobe, fires, Floyd, etc.) Soccer will be here for years to come. If you play for Surf, you don't have a choice (bummer). If you play for all other clubs, you do.
I realize telling other people what to do is a popular trend particularly in the days of Covid, but families have different motivations that aren't necessarily 100% soccer related. We've traveled all over the US and once overseas for soccer and bmx racing. Its about the experience for us, can't say we remember a score or result of a game. We do remember the laughs with parents, kids bonding, the cool places visited and the family memories. You get out of a soccer trip what you put into it and for us its usually not related to soccer.
 
I realize telling other people what to do is a popular trend particularly in the days of Covid, but families have different motivations that aren't necessarily 100% soccer related. We've traveled all over the US and once overseas for soccer and bmx racing. Its about the experience for us, can't say we remember a score or result of a game. We do remember the laughs with parents, kids bonding, the cool places visited and the family memories. You get out of a soccer trip what you put into it and for us its usually not related to soccer.

I agree 100% with watfly . Do what you think is right for YOUR family. This is still a free country and you have a choice.
Listen to other opinions but don't let them shame you into thinking that you should be doing something different then what YOU want to do.

It's OK to put soccer first over vacation or many other things. Every family is different and some families get more enjoyment and satisfaction
from soccer then doing so called "extra special things" with their kids. ( that for some kids may never actually happen )

Its amazing , you look how some of these posts are written and you get the distinct impression they are trying to
persuade you not to go to a soccer event because some how that will make you a bad parent . Ignore them and
do what you feel is best for YOUR family even if it's going to a soccer event.
 
Telling other people what to is is trendy because we are in the middle of an infectious disease outbreak.

I don’t care if you smoke, eat fried food, drink excessively, play violent video games, watch porn, or bungee jump. None of that is any of my business.

However, if your actions raise serious health risks for other people, then your “freedom of choice” argument is full of shit.

Freedom of choice depends on the degree to which the activity is risky to other people. I do have freedom of choice to drive. I don’t have freedom of choice to drive drunk. I have freedom of choice to shoot a rifle at a shooting range. I do not have freedom of choice to shoot randomly in the air in a city. The difference is risk, and it matters.
 
Really think going to a soccer tournament is completely different than going to Sturgis or a college football game or and indoor function with 10+ people. A soccer game with Masks for fans not a huge deal.

My wife loves driving trips. Loves watching soccer. Loves watching our daughter play. My kid enjoys playing soccer and spending time with her teammates. Heck, we were considering driving to Tulsa for a tournament. So if our team were to choose to go to Surf Cup we would be there.
 
I don’t care if you smoke, eat fried food, drink excessively, play violent video games, watch porn, or bungee jump. None of that is any of my business.
A bit off topic but as we head towards universal health care do we have to start worrying about smoking drinking obesity since all those factors would drive up health costs?
 
I agree 100% with watfly . Do what you think is right for YOUR family. This is still a free country and you have a choice.
Listen to other opinions but don't let them shame you into thinking that you should be doing something different then what YOU want to do.

It's OK to put soccer first over vacation or many other things. Every family is different and some families get more enjoyment and satisfaction
from soccer then doing so called "extra special things" with their kids. ( that for some kids may never actually happen )

Its amazing , you look how some of these posts are written and you get the distinct impression they are trying to
persuade you not to go to a soccer event because some how that will make you a bad parent . Ignore them and
do what you feel is best for YOUR family even if it's going to a soccer event.
Hip hip hooray!!! Well written Dawson. We should be able to be as free as we want to be. The guilt some folks project on others is getting way out of hand. This is America, home of the free and land of the brave. Let's not forget that. My dd is the one who said no to Surf in AZ. I couldnt make her go even if I dreamed it as a family vacation. If my dd told me, "please, please daddy, please take me to Surf Cup in AZ Jan 1st thru the 4th," then I would probably do it because I help my dd do what she wants. If my 19 year old son added, "please, please pops, let's take a family vacation to AZ for Surf Cup so I can watch my sister play her 1,000th soccer game of her illustrious career," then it would be our little family vacation and no one else vacation and they can make fun and mock all they want :) Live life to the fullest is my motto. I personally think the family vacation thing for out of state soccer tournaments works only when kids are super young.
 
Really think going to a soccer tournament is completely different than going to Sturgis or a college football game or and indoor function with 10+ people. A soccer game with Masks for fans not a huge deal.

My wife loves driving trips. Loves watching soccer. Loves watching our daughter play. My kid enjoys playing soccer and spending time with her teammates. Heck, we were considering driving to Tulsa for a tournament. So if our team were to choose to go to Surf Cup we would be there.
I agree. An outdoor soccer game with masks and distance is reasonable, because the risk is limited.

If the mask is a chin strap, parents all cluster at midfield, and everyone goes to a restaurant together, then it is higher risk and no longer reasonable.
 
Telling other people what to is is trendy because we are in the middle of an infectious disease outbreak.

I don’t care if you smoke, eat fried food, drink excessively, play violent video games, watch porn, or bungee jump. None of that is any of my business.

However, if your actions raise serious health risks for other people, then your “freedom of choice” argument is full of shit.

Freedom of choice depends on the degree to which the activity is risky to other people. I do have freedom of choice to drive. I don’t have freedom of choice to drive drunk. I have freedom of choice to shoot a rifle at a shooting range. I do not have freedom of choice to shoot randomly in the air in a city. The difference is risk, and it matters.
The science says that outdoor activities have minimal risk of transmission. That's why we are eating at restaurants on outdoor patios because it's "safe". Instead of following the science and opening up California for at least league play (with reasonable restrictions), we are now driving to AZ. It is actually more a risk of exposure traveling back and forth to AZ then doing the same activity in CA. Those that do not feel comfortable with playing, don't play. Those that accept the risk, let us move forward.
 
Telling other people what to is is trendy because we are in the middle of an infectious disease outbreak.

I don’t care if you smoke, eat fried food, drink excessively, play violent video games, watch porn, or bungee jump. None of that is any of my business.

However, if your actions raise serious health risks for other people, then your “freedom of choice” argument is full of shit.

Freedom of choice depends on the degree to which the activity is risky to other people. I do have freedom of choice to drive. I don’t have freedom of choice to drive drunk. I have freedom of choice to shoot a rifle at a shooting range. I do not have freedom of choice to shoot randomly in the air in a city. The difference is risk, and it matters.
I know you genuinely believe that and are sincere but my legal personal decisions are none of your business and my soccer decisions have zero impact on you. Some people just cant help projecting there own fears on to other peoples rational behavior. We used to call it being sanctimonious, now its called virtue signaling. Everytime the going gets rough we can't force everyone to change their behavior to accommodate those with the lowest risk tolerances. Covid is serious but the risk of your health being seriously impacted is remote as evidenced by the actual data. Furthermore the chance of getting Covid is overwhelmingly influenced by your OWN behavior and very little by other people's behavior. That's why you have two legs to make your own CHOICE to stay 6 feet away from others and wear a mask. I will be wearing a mask in public indoor spaces as well. For our family we've made the decision that the risk to our mental health of remaining isolated is far greater than the risk of Covid. My 88 year old mom has made the same decision. Please keep your opinion of someone else's family's decisions to yourself like your mama taught you growing up.
 
A bit off topic but as we head towards universal health care do we have to start worrying about smoking drinking obesity since all those factors would drive up health costs?
Do you see the future? Government gives you health care, now they can tell you what to eat, drink, what activities you may or may not do what care you receive. They are already telling businesses where in their store they can sell a candy bar or how much soda during one purchase can be made. Can you see what is coming? Be careful with your freedoms. Don’t take them for granted and if I want to drive to Arizona or Timbucktoo for my kid to play soccer that is my decision. Love dad4 and his guilt trips but they are not for the free people.
 
I saw the date change and I was surprised, then I wasn't. I remember one year at ODP Hoffman said at the last day of training before they announced who made the team that if ever there was a time to spend time with your family or vacation or playing a soccer game to choose the vacation/family. I agree that everyone should do what is best for their family and if that means traveling to AZ for Surf Cup, then enjoy!! Thanksgiving soccer tournaments have been part of our lives for years, so I don't want to sound like a hypocrite, but I do think with everything going on with soccer and COVID it's pretty selfish of Surf Cup to move it out of state ( I know families who can't go due to travel costs) but whatever it is what it is. Good Luck to all the teams attending!! Sorry @crush I know you had your heart set on it, but I'm sure you'll have a great time as a family celebrating your dd birthday and enjoying the holidays
 
The travel costs (if CA does not relax,) are going to insurmountable for many. Especially if you have multiple children in different stages (littles/bigs,) because then you aren't likely to even kill two birds with one stone.
 
Telling other people what to is is trendy because we are in the middle of an infectious disease outbreak.

I don’t care if you smoke, eat fried food, drink excessively, play violent video games, watch porn, or bungee jump. None of that is any of my business.

However, if your actions raise serious health risks for other people, then your “freedom of choice” argument is full of shit.

Freedom of choice depends on the degree to which the activity is risky to other people. I do have freedom of choice to drive. I don’t have freedom of choice to drive drunk. I have freedom of choice to shoot a rifle at a shooting range. I do not have freedom of choice to shoot randomly in the air in a city. The difference is risk, and it matters.

I have the freedom to go out and you have the freedom to stay in. I'm not afraid for my DD to play a sport she loves and a sport she wants to play now. She is missing out on a lot because of politics not science.
 
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The travel costs (if CA does not relax,) are going to insurmountable for many. Especially if you have multiple children in different stages (littles/bigs,) because then you aren't likely to even kill two birds with one stone.
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Which further separates the haves from the have nots. Banning youth sports disproportionately hurts disadvantaged families.
 
A bit off topic but as we head towards universal health care do we have to start worrying about smoking drinking obesity since all those factors would drive up health costs?

You already see this-- most health insurers give you a discount if you opt into a more detailed body scan to make sure you aren't smoking, drinking too much, etc.
 
BS, meaning you dont hate saying that :) I was wrong Eagle and you were right and I give you mad props brah. Good call. It was my hope with in me that hoped for at least a September Cup but no way in hell that was going to happen. No one got Surf AZ though, right? That came out of nowhere and no way we going to play in AZ for Surf. Happy Sunday to you Eagle and the family......
Actually the very 1st time they postponed Surf Cup, I said why don't they have it in UT or NV or AZ?
It turn out I was right on :)
Utah would be the best option since they have Surf there. Not sure why AZ was picked. Must be the weather.
 
With Surf moving to AZ, that means that Surf itself makes money while the city of SD loses out. Wonder how they feel about that!
 
Actually the very 1st time they postponed Surf Cup, I said why don't they have it in UT or NV or AZ?
It turn out I was right on :)
Utah would be the best option since they have Surf there. Not sure why AZ was picked. Must be the weather.
Does Utah Surf have enough high quality fields to host a major event?

Also not a lot of long weekends in Sept/Oct. And not a lot of warm Utah days in Nov/Dec/Jan. They would have had to keep the original August dates and move it out of state immediately. Would have been prescient if they had.
 
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