Surf Cup - Get Your Refund Now

MrCruett said:
@Lavey29, I hope you have a great time and share with us how it went. I just pray it goes off without a hitch for the obvious reasons. And if it does go sideways, soccer will be the poster child for the no youth sports movement and in a way you will have to carry some of the weight for the 2021 season getting hosed.
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Didn't basketball already screw that up. I'll repeat for the 26th time, indoors is 15X worse than outdoors. Can't play soccer but saw our local mall open.

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ITFC Blues said:
Fortunately by looking at the schedules, it will be easy for US Club Soccer, Cal South, CDPH, and all County Health agencies to determine which clubs violated the Guidelines and mandate. They are handing the information to the governing bodies on a plate. They might even be providing video evidence to them as well. The governing bodies will either ignore the violations which will likely bother all of the clubs that followed the guidelines or they will crack down on them and show that have some sort of purpose. The clubs from CA that attend can't say they weren't warned. You can't really blame the parents for going if the club and coaches choose to violate the mandate. Any clubs that do violate it are sending a message that they don't respect the authorities. Let's see what the authorities do in response to the big middle finger they get shown by the clubs and the coaches. You then have to ask what other lines that same club or coach will cross in the quest for relevance.

I haven't seen anything from US Club Soccer since they sent out a reminder in October that all clubs in CA need to follow local and state health guidelines. This was their last public statement that I saw.

Violators become ineligible for US Club Soccer’s insurance benefits, among other potential consequences.
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Is US Club Soccer not “sanctioning” Surf Cup? Who is? Not that I really care but would be kind of interested to know since our “Big Club” said we can’t play Natives Cup or other things on the reservation in Coachella because they weren’t “sanctioned” but doesn’t have a problem letting us play in Surf Cup notwithstanding the current California rules and Arizona rules and situations. I personally don’t care about the official sanctioning and won’t do anything we personally don’t feel is safe but in light of what you said this seems odd.
 
Publius said:
Is US Club Soccer not “sanctioning” Surf Cup? Who is? Not that I really care but would be kind of interested to know since our “Big Club” said we can’t play Natives Cup or other things on the reservation in Coachella because they weren’t “sanctioned” but doesn’t have a problem letting us play in Surf Cup notwithstanding the current California rules and Arizona rules and situations. I personally don’t care about the official sanctioning and won’t do anything we personally don’t feel is safe but in light of what you said this seems odd.
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Our club withdrew based on the fact that US Club soccer says insurance is not valid due to the mandate by the State of California. The tournament itself is likely sanctioned, in Arizona for teams that are valid attendees. Teams that do not violate their local health orders ( non CA based teams) are free to play and will be insured. The issue is that if you violate a mandate by the insurance is not valid. All other insurance is likely not valid either. The club was able to use this as a reason to explain to the membership why they would not participate. Behind the scenes they likely had a lot of discussion about their level of liability if anything were to happen as well as the possibility that the County or State would shut all training down due to the violation. It is also a good opportunity to show the players that just because others do something that doesn't make it right to do it. We will see if there are any ramifications for violating the mandate.
 
ITFC Blues said:
Our club withdrew based on the fact that US Club soccer says insurance is not valid due to the mandate by the State of California. The tournament itself is likely sanctioned, in Arizona for teams that are valid attendees. Teams that do not violate their local health orders ( non CA based teams) are free to play and will be insured. The issue is that if you violate a mandate by the insurance is not valid. All other insurance is likely not valid either. The club was able to use this as a reason to explain to the membership why they would not participate. Behind the scenes they likely had a lot of discussion about their level of liability if anything were to happen as well as the possibility that the County or State would shut all training down due to the violation. It is also a good opportunity to show the players that just because others do something that doesn't make it right to do it. We will see if there are any ramifications for violating the mandate.
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I think we’re likely looking at this a bit differently. And what a cluster fuck for us club soccer—I looked and they’re actually sanctioning surf cup—you think they’d actually take the position that they “sanctioned” the tourney but based on where you travel from to play in the tourney they sanctioned they’re going to attempt to deny their insurance covers your club? I was just annoyed our club seems to be able to look past the issues such as they are for some tourneys (that require much further travel and therefore risk) while not allowing playing in more local events.
 
GT45 said:
Does someone want to tell me a situation in which this insurance you all are discussing has ever been used? How often is US Club soccer insurance an issue?
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The only time I have heard of it is when a club says your team can’t play in a tournament because it isn’t sanctioned or insured. Kids have been hurt playing soccer many times over the last 10 years and always use personal insurance and never even thought about someone else’s insurance.
 
GT45 said:
Does someone want to tell me a situation in which this insurance you all are discussing has ever been used? How often is US Club soccer insurance an issue?
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The insurance being discussed is Accident and Liability insurance. Look at it from a business standpoint.
The field owner will require the team to have insurance. The tournament organizer will require the team to be covered by insurance. They (The tournament organizer) may buy insurance that covers all of the teams, but the insurance company may deny coverage for the teams that have violated mandates in order to travel to the tournament. Surf Sports will have some language in their application that says individual teams are responsible for being in compliance with all applicable rules in an attempt to insulate them. The CA based club ends up being on an island. The covid waivers they make the parents sign might be invalid due to the club being responsible for the participation in the tournament. This is why clubs decide they won't risk it from a liability standpoint. The Board of Directors may find that their insurance is invalidated if they allowed a team to travel out of state as a representative of the club. Workers comp may be invalid for any injury to the coach ( provided they are an employee of the club). This is what leads clubs to decide not to participate.

From US Club Soccer

Q: For an activity that takes place in a different municipality or state than the member/member organization resides or is based, which local and state public health requirements and orders are applicable?

Members/member organizations are responsible to ensure they understand and comply with the requirements and orders of local and state public health authorities applicable to their activities. This means that a member/member organization must comply with the rules and orders of the locality(ies) and state(s): (1) in which the member/member organization resides/is based; (2) where the activity is held; and (3) through which the member may travel while the member is in that locality or state.


Q: What if the applicable local and state public health authorities have conflicting requirements/orders?

In this situation, US Club Soccer encourages members to consult with their local and state public health authorities and legal counsel.

We recognize that does not answer the specific question of whether an activity is sanctioned by US Club Soccer and therefore covered by US Club Soccer-provided insurance. However, given the unique circumstances of each claim and the particular issues that may exist between local and state authorities, our insurance provider cannot provide a blanket determination. Our understanding after discussions with US Club Soccer’s insurance provider is that the insurance provider would take into consideration whether the member/member organization acted reasonably in such a situation.
 
ITFC Blues said:
The insurance being discussed is Accident and Liability insurance. Look at it from a business standpoint.
The field owner will require the team to have insurance. The tournament organizer will require the team to be covered by insurance. They (The tournament organizer) may buy insurance that covers all of the teams, but the insurance company may deny coverage for the teams that have violated mandates in order to travel to the tournament. Surf Sports will have some language in their application that says individual teams are responsible for being in compliance with all applicable rules in an attempt to insulate them. The CA based club ends up being on an island. The covid waivers they make the parents sign might be invalid due to the club being responsible for the participation in the tournament. This is why clubs decide they won't risk it from a liability standpoint. The Board of Directors may find that their insurance is invalidated if they allowed a team to travel out of state as a representative of the club. Workers comp may be invalid for any injury to the coach ( provided they are an employee of the club). This is what leads clubs to decide not to participate.

From US Club Soccer

Q: For an activity that takes place in a different municipality or state than the member/member organization resides or is based, which local and state public health requirements and orders are applicable?

Members/member organizations are responsible to ensure they understand and comply with the requirements and orders of local and state public health authorities applicable to their activities. This means that a member/member organization must comply with the rules and orders of the locality(ies) and state(s): (1) in which the member/member organization resides/is based; (2) where the activity is held; and (3) through which the member may travel while the member is in that locality or state.


Q: What if the applicable local and state public health authorities have conflicting requirements/orders?

In this situation, US Club Soccer encourages members to consult with their local and state public health authorities and legal counsel.

We recognize that does not answer the specific question of whether an activity is sanctioned by US Club Soccer and therefore covered by US Club Soccer-provided insurance. However, given the unique circumstances of each claim and the particular issues that may exist between local and state authorities, our insurance provider cannot provide a blanket determination. Our understanding after discussions with US Club Soccer’s insurance provider is that the insurance provider would take into consideration whether the member/member organization acted reasonably in such a situation.
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So you did not answer my question. I get it you don't want people to go. Your agenda is crystal clear. But, is this insurance ever used?
 
GT45 said:
So you did not answer my question. I get it you don't want people to go. Your agenda is crystal clear. But, is this insurance ever used?
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The way I look at it is if someone gets sick and decides to sue the club, the insurance doesn’t cover the club. The coach and manager can be held liable.

I recently heard of a case where a young player died due to heat exhaustion during a tournament. The parents sued the club. The club was covered by insurance if they lost the case.
 
The surf az tournament is a sanctioned event, insurance is covered. Just like it was with USclub games in the ECNL out of state despite the CA restrictions. Local, county, and State stuff in CA doesn't cross state lines and there is no federal manadate that apply.

If a kid gets hurt personal heath insurance is used just like it does anytime.

Usclub won't cover for non sanctioned events but they will for those ones they do sanction like league games and tournaments as long as local rules are followed. Our club already asked this and some of our teams played in Texas recently.
 
ITFC Blues said:
The insurance being discussed is Accident and Liability insurance. Look at it from a business standpoint.
The field owner will require the team to have insurance. The tournament organizer will require the team to be covered by insurance. They (The tournament organizer) may buy insurance that covers all of the teams, but the insurance company may deny coverage for the teams that have violated mandates in order to travel to the tournament. Surf Sports will have some language in their application that says individual teams are responsible for being in compliance with all applicable rules in an attempt to insulate them. The CA based club ends up being on an island. The covid waivers they make the parents sign might be invalid due to the club being responsible for the participation in the tournament. This is why clubs decide they won't risk it from a liability standpoint. The Board of Directors may find that their insurance is invalidated if they allowed a team to travel out of state as a representative of the club. Workers comp may be invalid for any injury to the coach ( provided they are an employee of the club). This is what leads clubs to decide not to participate.

From US Club Soccer

Q: For an activity that takes place in a different municipality or state than the member/member organization resides or is based, which local and state public health requirements and orders are applicable?

Members/member organizations are responsible to ensure they understand and comply with the requirements and orders of local and state public health authorities applicable to their activities. This means that a member/member organization must comply with the rules and orders of the locality(ies) and state(s): (1) in which the member/member organization resides/is based; (2) where the activity is held; and (3) through which the member may travel while the member is in that locality or state.


Q: What if the applicable local and state public health authorities have conflicting requirements/orders?

In this situation, US Club Soccer encourages members to consult with their local and state public health authorities and legal counsel.

We recognize that does not answer the specific question of whether an activity is sanctioned by US Club Soccer and therefore covered by US Club Soccer-provided insurance. However, given the unique circumstances of each claim and the particular issues that may exist between local and state authorities, our insurance provider cannot provide a blanket determination. Our understanding after discussions with US Club Soccer’s insurance provider is that the insurance provider would take into consideration whether the member/member organization acted reasonably in such a situation.
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Once again another poster sticking their nose in someone else’s business if your clubs not going in your team is not going don’t you have something better to do
lafalafa said:
The surf az tournament is a sanctioned event, insurance is covered. Just like it was with USclub games in the ECNL out of state despite the CA restrictions. Local, county, and State stuff in CA doesn't cross state lines and there is no federal manadate that apply.

If a kid gets hurt personal heath insurance is used just like it does anytime.

Usclub won't cover for non sanctioned events but they will for those ones they do sanction like league games and tournaments as long as local rules are followed. Our club already asked this and some of our teams played in Texas recently.
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Thats exactly what our club said. And they also said they checked with US Club. They said local law governs in any tournaments not the law where a team is coming from.
 
Spfister said:
Once again another poster sticking their nose in someone else’s business if your clubs not going in your team is not going don’t you have something better to do

Thats exactly what our club said. And they also said they checked with US Club. They said local law governs in any tournaments not the law where a team is coming from.
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Some of these find folks from California what the rules we impose to follow you to another state.....hahahahaha. They also want to take your money if you try and leave the state so you can be free. Talk about being stuck and nowhere to go. So many people are leaving this state. Bye bye old friends.
 
Spfister said:
Once again another poster sticking their nose in someone else’s business if your clubs not going in your team is not going don’t you have something better to do

Thats exactly what our club said. And they also said they checked with US Club. They said local law governs in any tournaments not the law where a team is coming from.
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Yes for USclub carderd players & coaches in USclub sanctioned tournaments.

For Cal South carded, USSSA or other state associations there could be other things to consider?

Surf could also have purchased supplemental insurance in they felt like there was a possiblity of certain number of potential teams or clubs that their State or other associations weren't going to cover.
 
lafalafa said:
Yes for USclub carderd players & coaches in USclub sanctioned tournaments.

For Cal South carded, USSSA or other state associations there could be other things to consider?

Surf could also have purchased supplemental insurance in they felt like there was a possiblity of certain number of potential teams or clubs that their State or other associations weren't going to cover.
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Yes or individual teams can purchase an event coverage policy. This is done for all types of single day or multi day events.

This ain't their first rodeo....lol
 
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