El Soccer Loco
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2021 Surf Cup - Olders
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Surf Cup 2021 - Older Schedules up
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keeprunning
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ECNL/RL event. I'm sure plenty of good teams got left out due to 4 letters.
RedCard
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My DD's team is a flight 1 team and we got in. But it's true that it's mostly ECNL/RL teams at least in the 05 brackets. And the brackets/groups seem more even compared to the Man City Cup last month.
I think a large majority of us agree!
I'm so excited for this tournament. Especially my daughter's bracket. It's gonna be so great. I want to promote it and I'm thinking about getting some T-shirts made possible slogans
"Super White is all right"
"If you're not Super White you aint nothing"
"Super White Power (Backside) ful feelings of joy"
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Ok, if you didn't get it, that was meant to be a joke, sarcasm, whatever you want to call it. Seriously though, Surf cup you couldn't come up with better bracket names?
"Super White is all right"
"If you're not Super White you aint nothing"
"Super White Power (Backside) ful feelings of joy"
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Ok, if you didn't get it, that was meant to be a joke, sarcasm, whatever you want to call it. Seriously though, Surf cup you couldn't come up with better bracket names?
oh canada
GOLD
The clubs need to get together and tell Surf Cup that our olders families don't need another trophy or medal. They just want good health for their kid and a couple games of good competition in front of a few college scouts. They are happy to pay the same $75-$100 per player to play two games (Friday/Sunday or Saturday/Monday) instead of 5, especially those in SoCal who will sleep at home.
Maybe they lose some out of state clubs, but I'm guessing most would still come for a couple good games and an extra couple days in sunny San Diego.
It's time for Surf Cup to start leading, and doing something that's fresh and right for a change. Our kids' are too important. If they make the change, others will follow.
I know that not everyone agrees with this sentiment, but for those that are concerned about their player's health in this situation, how do you approach it with your coach and player? Do you say anything or place any limits? Or just do all you can to mitigate the load, foster recovery and hope for the best?
Do they not have that conversation because there isn't a forum for it or because they want to play the most amount of minutes possible?
It depends on the foundation set early on with the staff / club about several things. If you're lucky, a club / staff relays that information to players / families to set expectations going into a new team / season and there is a clear understanding of how time is managed against competitive play vs load management.
In almost every situation my players have been in this has not been clearly addressed ahead of time, and at best is discussed going into a tournament or weekend of.
My DD is very transparent with her coaches / teachers with the complicated web that is the life of a teenager and she gives advance notice and reminders to all about her schedule and stresses / highlights her recovery time with them. She does incorporate a prioritization on her own and will miss lower priorities to not over exert herself on a given day / week.
But in the case of games / tournaments where the format doesn't "allow" for that, she will make that determination beforehand based on "If she's healthy..." If she goes into the weekend feeling good she'll go with the flow and hope for the best, and at any point she feels the need to let the coach know something doesn't feel right, she will.
We have stressed to her to listen to her body and put her long term health ahead of the immediate moment. We have tried to convey the context that these games aren't a World Cup or High Level Championship. Does she want to compete? Absolutely, but some perspective is really valuable so they know the meaning of actually being in a "Jordan Flu Game" moment versus a 1st round group game at Surf Cup.
I will openly admit that when the kids were in the "youngers" we took for granted that we were "fortunate" with no injuries, and did not emphasis load management as much. Lucky enough to course correct that before anything of significance happened but something we would have done differently.
I know sometimes Im guilty of complaining that we never worried about load management back in the day.
but 20-25 years ago you didn't play in tournaments nearly every weekend of the summer . There seems to be way more game nowadays at the higher levels.
back in the day your summer consisted of state cup , regionals ( 1 team from SO Cal unless a state didn't have a rep), and nationals( 4 teams total across the US per age ) then Surf Cup. But if a team happened to make nationals they usually wouldn't even play in Surf Cup.
I have a little one who is in 5 tournaments this summer( all local), I thought that was a lot , but then I see the same teams in tournaments every weekend
seems a little out of control if you ask me.
but 20-25 years ago you didn't play in tournaments nearly every weekend of the summer . There seems to be way more game nowadays at the higher levels.
back in the day your summer consisted of state cup , regionals ( 1 team from SO Cal unless a state didn't have a rep), and nationals( 4 teams total across the US per age ) then Surf Cup. But if a team happened to make nationals they usually wouldn't even play in Surf Cup.
I have a little one who is in 5 tournaments this summer( all local), I thought that was a lot , but then I see the same teams in tournaments every weekend
seems a little out of control if you ask me.
futboldad1
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Crazy that olders is not showcase stile with just three games…5 or even 4 in four days is insanity…… our team is 06 so jus turned u16 and her team is healthy but she has a good friend on a nearby u17 team who is playing best of the best and missing half their starting lineup through injury……scary scary scary……here’s praying all or daughters stay healthy but i do not like this format…….surf olders should be nothing more than a chance to be seen and a way to sharpen up ahead of ecnl league play imho…..
futboldad1
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Yah brackets seem well chosen…..
Enjoy the tour
Plenty of participants complained about paying the big bucks for a 3 game showcase without "something" to play for.
Typically only the surf College "showcases" had those formats.
Regular Surf cup is normally the 3 game min up to 6 max. 5 games is lot no doubt and larger rosters and guest players are one way that's addressed.
At least it's San Diego and the games are not in the Texas, Florida, NW, CO heat and humidity where there is/was close to 100 degree days and some events where 5-7days long if you made the knockout rounds. Conditioning really comes info play and sometimes the teams with better fitness programs and large play pools do better.
Never really been a fan of consecutive days of games or double game days without proper rest and recover but it's the money $$$ machine that drives these tournaments to get in the most play in the short time frames.
Plenty of participants complained about paying the big bucks for a 3 game showcase without "something" to play for.
Typically only the surf College "showcases" had those formats.
Regular Surf cup is normally the 3 game min up to 6 max. 5 games is lot no doubt and larger rosters and guest players are one way that's addressed.
At least it's San Diego and the games are not in the Texas, Florida, NW, CO heat and humidity where there is/was close to 100 degree days and some events where 5-7days long if you made the knockout rounds. Conditioning really comes info play and sometimes the teams with better fitness programs and large play pools do better.
Never really been a fan of consecutive days of games or double game days without proper rest and recover but it's the money $$$ machine that drives these tournaments to get in the most play in the short time frames.
oh canada
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This is where CalSouth or US Youth Soccer or one of the governing bodies needs to step in and make a rule...for example, for U14's and up, no playing consecutive days and no more than 3 games in a week. DA had some type of rule restricting play and it was one of the few good rules they had.
Not having a rule restricting soccer play is akin to Little League not restricting pitch counts.
I would love to hear from a parent who WANTS their 16 year old son or daughter playing 3 or 4 games in 3 days. Please enlighten us why this is a good idea.
Surf Cup representative? Please help us parents understand why we are wrong about this issue?
Not having a rule restricting soccer play is akin to Little League not restricting pitch counts.
I would love to hear from a parent who WANTS their 16 year old son or daughter playing 3 or 4 games in 3 days. Please enlighten us why this is a good idea.
Surf Cup representative? Please help us parents understand why we are wrong about this issue?
This was one thing the GDA got right, was game volume management.
When my son's team played at Gothia Cup in 2007, we had 5 games in 5 days (Sunday friendly against a local club at their grounds out in the countryside located between a brick factory and a horse farm, 3 pool games, and an elimination game draw and PK loss 8 AM Thursday). If we had continued all the way, we would have had a second playdown game Thursday, then Friday and Saturday games. The only injury we had was when one player ran into a door in the hotel.