Some data on Covid-19 and why we're not over reacting...

I'm wondering if t's statement this week that the virus will go away without a vaccine is just laying out some preliminary groundwork for defense against the whistleblower complaint by the recently-fired government official who was the head of the group looking for a vaccine.
 
Tell the Forum where I'm wrong..............
First tell me what the hell you think I lied about? I just tell the truth I have nothing to hide, open book, don't give a shit what others think. You and your comrades are all overly concerned about looks and perceptions, it's what you are all about, all talk no substance, thin skinned and shallow.
 
First tell me what the hell you think I lied about? I just tell the truth I have nothing to hide, open book, don't give a shit what others think. You and your comrades are all overly concerned about looks and perceptions, it's what you are all about, all talk no substance, thin skinned and shallow.

Your second sentence is a complete LIE.....
Kinda ruins your whole whiny rant....

You’ve lost your way in a relationship with the TRUTH.....

Now you want credibility after years of supporting a

Criminal operation called the DNC....I don’t think so....
 
And I thought you were reasonable,
just another liberal partisan sore loser, I won’t make that mistake again.
Which one is you?
You don’t have to answer that.
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Define your term "reasonable"? Believing everything you believe in?

The picture you post above is very telling because you assume it will get a rise out of me. I hate lumping people together but it's hard to miss the fact that so many die-hard Trump supporters view everything through the lens of their party "winning" or "losing", it's a zero sum game with no middle ground. But that picture you posted is so wholly disconnected with the way I view politics that it's just a picture of two people to me, nothing else. The thing is, I don't personalize politics.

Was I upset when Trump won? Absolutely, but I wasn't angry or sad, I was terrified. If Trump had run as a Democrat there is no way in hell I would have voted for him, even if he claimed to support every thing I strongly believed in. Why? Because to be President of the United States you need certain qualities, none of which Trump has. You need to be able to listen to opposing ideas and not be threatened by them as Trump is. Assemble a "Team of Rivals", not a team of sycophants.

A President also needs an extremely thick skin because the media is going to go after you. And, yes, they went after Obama as well, he just didn't give them as much material. Trump gives them material in spades, his thin skin plays right into their hands. There was a press briefing I watched a couple of days ago where a reporter kept going on and on about Trump not wearing a mask at the mask factory. Was it bad that he didn't wear a mask? Yes. Is that the most important question the media should be asking him? No. But they are going to do it to get him to react, and he always does, which makes his reaction the story and that's all anyone talks about. But his ego is such that he just keeps taking the bait...over and over and over.

So I don't care what you think of me, none of that matters. What matters is we pull together to try and figure out how we come back from this crisis we are in. Stop with the purity tests, stop with the insults (calling women c*nt, whore, or fat pigs), all that does is make you look like a jerk and overshadows anything else you have to say. I've seen some of your posts on other threads and I don't believe you are a jerk, at least not totally, but your anger at "the other" is so over the top that reasonable discussion is shut down. Finally, if you post something provocative, don't get p*ssed when someone responds in kind.
 
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Define your term "reasonable"? Believing everything you believe in?

The picture you post above is very telling because you assume it will get a rise out of me.
IT DID.....! BOY O BOY DID IT...!
HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU RUN YOUR CLOTHING THRU THE LAUNDRY
TO GET YOUR PEE STAINS OUT......

I hate lumping people together but it's hard to miss the fact that so many die-hard Trump supporters view everything through the lens of their party "winning" or "losing", it's a zero sum game with no middle ground. But that picture you posted is so wholly disconnected with the way I view politics that it's just a picture of two people to me, nothing else. The thing is, I don't personalize politics.

Was I upset when Trump won? Absolutely, but I wasn't angry or sad, I was terrified. If Trump had run as a Democrat there is no way in hell I would have voted for him, even if he claimed to support every thing I strongly believed in. Why? Because to be President of the United States you need certain qualities, none of which Trump has. You need to be able to listen to opposing ideas and not be threatened by them as Trump is. Assemble a "Team of Rivals", not a team of sycophants.

A President also needs an extremely thick skin because the media is going to go after you. And, yes, they went after Obama as well, he just didn't give them as much material. Trump gives them material in spades, his thin skin plays right into their hands. There was a press briefing I watched a couple of days ago where a reporter kept going on and on about Trump not wearing a mask at the mask factory. Was it bad that he didn't wear a mask? Yes. Is that the most important question the media should be asking him? No. But they are going to do it to get him to react, and he always does, which makes his reaction the story and that's all anyone talks about. But his ego is such that he just keeps taking the bait...over and over and over.

So I don't care what you think of me, none of that matters. What matters is we pull together to try and figure out how we come back from this crisis we are in. Stop with the purity tests, stop with the insults (calling women c*nt, whore, or fat pigs), all that does is make you look like a jerk and overshadows anything else you have to say. I've seen some of your posts on other threads and I don't believe you are a jerk, at least not totally, but your anger at "the other" is so over the top that reasonable discussion is shut down. Finally, if you post something provocative, don't get p*ssed when someone responds in kind.

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YOU PISSED YOURSELF......THE ABOVE POST IS PROOF.
 
She's badass and pretty hot! And she's also 100% correct. For now, you wear the mask in public and you socially distance. Period.

It has gotten beyond common sense. Not wearing a mask has become a symbol of partisan loyalty. I saw a photo of Pence wearing a mask today, the day after I saw the pictures of him making others with whom he was meeting take off their masks (no adults in that room, it seems).

T won't wear a mask unless he is making his resignation speech.
 
It has gotten beyond common sense. Not wearing a mask has become a symbol of partisan loyalty. I saw a photo of Pence wearing a mask today, the day after I saw the pictures of him making others with whom he was meeting take off their masks (no adults in that room, it seems).

T won't wear a mask unless he is making his resignation speech.
When I say our country has gotten stupid, what I mean is exemplified by your post. Our leaders are idiots.
 
It has gotten beyond common sense. Not wearing a mask has become a symbol of partisan loyalty. I saw a photo of Pence wearing a mask today, the day after I saw the pictures of him making others with whom he was meeting take off their masks (no adults in that room, it seems).

T won't wear a mask unless he is making his resignation speech.

The guy who will operate the Gallows for the Treason hangings will wear a mask...............

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/6e/76/926e767b2842a24dc604f09fbc23b951.jpg


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As he should.
Now, who's got their boot on our necks?
United We Stand Divided We Fall.
The UNITED States of America is a group of franchises not a conglomeration of different business deals held together by one man. trump is not and never could be a CEO of a large corporation such as America, he is the head of a boutique, family owned business. Making him president is like making you CEO of Kohler. We would have been better off with the "999" guy, didn't he actually run a company with more than just family? One where team work and a united effort was required to excel, not just a used car salesman talk big, get them to sign then get them out the door routine? An "Always closing" schtick doesn't work when we are all exposed to the sales pitch and are able to see through it, well at least most of us can.
 
Nearly one-third of Americans believe a vaccine already exists to prevent coronavirus infection but is being withheld from the public, while nearly half believe the COVID-19 virus was created in a lab.

As the coronavirus pandemic nears 50,000 deaths in the U.S. – around half don't believe that figure either – new data suggests many Americans hold misinformation about the virus. It signals their mistrust in institutions as citizens are being asked to rely on government, health and other leaders amid the outbreak.

Twenty-nine percent said it's either probably or definitely true that a vaccine that prevents coronavirus infection exists and is being withheld, according to the Democracy Fund + UCLA Nationscape Project. An even greater percentage, 32%, said they believe treatment that cures coronavirus infection exists but is being withheld. Around 7 out of 10 Americans said those statements are untrue.

"To see about a third of people give that some level of, 'Yeah, that might be true,' that was pretty shocking to me," said Robert Griffin, research director for the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group. "That's a pretty dark type of thought to be floating around the public. There's an undercurrent of a lack of trust in society, a lack of trust in elites."

He added: "You could sort of see how that could suggest sort of a rather nefarious bit of actions on the part of a wide variety of actors within society if people are truly holding onto that idea."

 
Nearly one-third of Americans believe a vaccine already exists to prevent coronavirus infection but is being withheld from the public, while nearly half believe the COVID-19 virus was created in a lab.

As the coronavirus pandemic nears 50,000 deaths in the U.S. – around half don't believe that figure either – new data suggests many Americans hold misinformation about the virus. It signals their mistrust in institutions as citizens are being asked to rely on government, health and other leaders amid the outbreak.

Twenty-nine percent said it's either probably or definitely true that a vaccine that prevents coronavirus infection exists and is being withheld, according to the Democracy Fund + UCLA Nationscape Project. An even greater percentage, 32%, said they believe treatment that cures coronavirus infection exists but is being withheld. Around 7 out of 10 Americans said those statements are untrue.

"To see about a third of people give that some level of, 'Yeah, that might be true,' that was pretty shocking to me," said Robert Griffin, research director for the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group. "That's a pretty dark type of thought to be floating around the public. There's an undercurrent of a lack of trust in society, a lack of trust in elites."

He added: "You could sort of see how that could suggest sort of a rather nefarious bit of actions on the part of a wide variety of actors within society if people are truly holding onto that idea."



DEMOCRATS = CRIMINALS
 
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