Soccer gave away the golden goose to other sports at high school
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I think in my life time soccer in US will eclipse baseball... May not be in 5 years or 10 years... but (knock on wood) if I live another 40-50 years, I can see it happen. Lot of data showing how younger generation likes soccer and not so much baseball...
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Golf is fun to watch! Bet a few long shots and seeing them in contention on Sunday is pretty darn fun... Agree about HS and college soccer though - hard to watch. MLS depends on game/team I would think...
I think in my life time soccer in US will eclipse baseball... May not be in 5 years or 10 years... but (knock on wood) if I live another 40-50 years, I can see it happen. Lot of data showing how younger generation likes soccer and not so much baseball...
I feel attacked!
Agree about HS and college soccer though - hard to watch. MLS depends on game/team I would think...
Well gambling can make any event more interesting for adults. Sports betting is huge with football and other sports not so much for soccer.
$4billion + per team compared to half a billion says there is very little chance for soccer in USA to catch up financially. When you draw almost 4 million fans a year, going to almost impossible compare to 350,000 the galaxy draw (17 x 20k). TV revenue no comparison also. Don't see it happening in your lifetime and there are other sports that are catching on like MMA and moto sports.
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Yup if you asked every adult on our block if they ever been to a paid professional soccer game their answers would be likely no for a high majority.
Dodgers or Lakers the answer would be close to yes 100%. Same with watching those on TV, with some saying yes for soccer but only during special events like the world cup.
Umm.. Betting on Premier League is awesome.Well gambling can make any event more interesting for adults. Sports betting is huge with football and other sports not so much for soccer.
$4billion + per team compared to half a billion says there is very little chance for soccer in USA to catch up financially. When you draw almost 4 million fans a year, going to almost impossible compare to 350,000 the galaxy draw (17 x 20k). TV revenue no comparison also. Don't see it happening in your lifetime and there are other sports that are catching on like MMA and moto sports.
How much are L.A. sports teams worth? More than $20 billion - California News Times
The· Dodgers And Lakers Last year I won the championship. For the owners of these teams, victory goes beyond trophy and diamond-studded rings. The Dodgers and Lakers are the two most Highly acclaimed sports franchise In the world, according to Forbes estimates released on Friday. The Dallas...
Yeah and other leagues also, not so much domesticly like the conversation was referring to.
Sports are educational. Just like the science lab or wood shop. Should we pay to teach somebody how to make a wood box or fizzle some mentos?
You might not be happy to know some public colleges subsidize athletes in a variety of ways including paying for travel, lodging, meals, and gear. Some HS do this also to a more limited extent.
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This thread has jumped the shark.
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Screw those poor kids who want to play sports for their school and can't afford playing for a club, right? And while we are at it, that jazz band program or chorus or theatre . . . screw them, too!
I've written about my kids' public school. It's a large urban school in a Northern California city. It is underfunded like many and the sports program - one of the largest in the state based on # of sports (though other schools have much better participation rates) - is run on a shoestring (though the facilities are definitely on state/municipal property - on campus or at a shared-use municipal park). It also has one of the best jazz programs in the country and 3 of my 4 kids have taken photography and used the darkroom built adjacent to their classroom (but what a waste, right? I mean, what's the likelihood that they are going to use film in any profession?!). It has on campus labs to serve over 3,000 students. Etc. There are some (not many, given the size of the school) student-athletes who play (currently and have played and will play) college and professional sports. But the athletics program does not serve the elite player who does play club sports (soccer, hoops, travel baseball/softball, volleyball, water polo, etc.). It serve the hundreds and hundreds who won't play beyond HS but who like sports, like playing sports and like representing the school. The elite athletes who play among them have a great time, too, for the many intangibles that I and others have mentioned in this thread and others. The kid who is going to play water polo at Stanford and plays for our youth national team does not play it to "get seen", the kid played every minute of every NCAA soccer tournament game (through the finals of the College Cup) did not play to improve his game, the kid who ended up playing at the local college and in the WNBA played because this was her community. I could go on. Even my older daughter - she's had success at the club level and is having success at the college level - has ZERO regrets playing HS, just like nearly every club teammate of hers who played HS soccer prior to starting their D1 college careers (also like those competitors whom they'd routinely face in the ECNL Playoffs).
I understand that we may not share the same view of what the goals of a high school education should be but I firmly believe that our kids should have the opportunity to expand as young people/emerging adults, not just in the classroom but in the types of programs offered by or through the school. Sports, like the arts, are an essential part of that. Should my tax dollars go to that? Hell, yes, it should. My kids have zero musical talent but when I see the jazz band on an east coast tour, I am psyched for them and psyched for the school.
What about the kids that hate school and only go because of sports?
No you're equating sports to something it's not.
Just like the arts, science, or others, Physical Education is a subject that is taught in high school and college. You may not like the subject but nobody is getting ride of them in public schools because normal people see the value in them helping us educate our future leaders.
Almost all public HS teachers of sports also teach other subjects, math, history, science, etc. Some of students they teach will go on to becoming teachers themselves, coaches, physical therapist, sports medicine professionals, athletic trainers, etc.
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That’s not where the money in California has been going. Sports, music and arts have all been cut. The growth has been in admin staff: lawyers (particularly those that handle special needs cases), special needs admins and aides, diversity officers, counselors, public relations officers, learning specialists, nutritional specialists and admins, guards and security, curriculum specialists. Then there’s also the pension responsibilities (but that is a separate but related budget)
the problem with “just pay for it yourself” in California is that it violates the equity requirements. If you want it through the school, you and your buddies can gift a jazz band but you can’t ask each student to pay for their share of jazz band or even buy their own instruments (California has said that discriminated against poor people who are entitled to a full access to education and extracurricular). Do you have rich suburban schools that can gift a football team, girls soccer squad (title ix concerns), jazz band AND art program and an inner city school that can only focus on football/cheer or jazz band or debate team (which is why some of these schools seem really good at one or two things but not much else)
This is why sports is the easier thing for schools to do. The coach is generally teaching another subject and is funded. They have the field (and even the pools and lights) through the facilities budget. They just have to raise the money for uniforms (often reused), referees and the transport.
an art program is more difficult. It requires a qualified instructor, supplies (for which students cannot be charged) and lab room. Pe is also more difficult in the elementary school ages as a result (because the teachers are gen younger child qualified instead of specific subjects and there are fewer of them)…hence private schools have sports for middle and elementary but public schools generally don’t.
I was a PE major right when the name was switched to Kinesiology. It sounds way better then PE teacher. I remember when I dated a girl from UCLA and her old man was an attorney. He asked me what I was going to do with my life in a round about way and I told him I was going to teach PE. He laughed at me in a very arrogant way and said their is no money in that. I told the wise guy money isn't everything and he said, "yes it is." I bailed on the PE degree after I did some observation at the local high schools. First off, most of the teachers did not like PE teacher. Jealousy 100%. I saw the rift and felt in my gut that PE would be the first to go and the first to be made fun of by the teachers when cuts are needed. Some teachers hate sports and the kids that play them.
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Boo!!!!! Look at our kids toucan. I had so many debates with people like you. PE is a joke because you can;t challenge a kid for obesity. Our kids are obese and so are so many adults. Talk about an epidemic. Your attitude is why our kids are way over weight, stuck playing fucking video games in their rooms, forced to wear a mask , and I'm 100% sure are getting taught by pornhub how to treat a girl. We gots lots of problems and starts with health and wellness for our youth.
Please......this is so weak!!! We need healthy kids first and then teach the smart ones not lie to us about math & science. I had the best PE teacher back in middle school. Coach Smart. We had co-ed soccer, softball and I think volleyball. We had playoffs each time and it was big time and you got medals if your team was champ. My team won once. Not everyone can win in PE. The other thing that was really smart that Coach Smart taught was health and fitness. Dude was in great shape and practiced what he preached. I am afraid to say PE is a joke now because of PC folks like you hate it. Why not help the kids eat better, teach health and wellness and then throw in some competition? Your school idea sucks and I would never ever go to school with no PE or sports. You got problems, moo!!!
Not my priorities…California’s. Those diversity officers, special needs services and lawyers are not dealing with sports issues. And California has already said you can’t do advanced math classes only certain kids participate in: you could do a ton of remedial math classes and force all kids into them.
the biggest issue though at least in this forum is that a lot of parents are supportive of club soccer, little league and basketball.If you sell off the fields, gyms and pools then club and rec sports will have a real hard time finding facilities to play. There aren’t enough parks and rec fields and gyms to make this happen and ayso at least for soccer has first pick usually. Not saying this is a right or wrong result…just the reality. Those pools are very expensive to maintain, operate and insure…if they haven’t paved over them despite all that (while they were tearing out the jungle gyms from elementary schools) they aren’t going to do it now…that’s the low hanging fruit.
Are you a teacher? Did you play sports? I will hold back my THUNDER and LIGHTNING after I hear from you. You have to share a little background.
Title 9 covers more than sports.
I recommend you run for your local school board with your platform. Tell us how it turned out.
When did "California" tell you that?