SCDSL - Schedule and Rules Updates?

Eagle33 said:
With DA, ECNL, DPL and now Discovery, Premier is at the Silver Elite level at best from what it was 10 years ago.
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At Carlsbad Cup last month..(same weekend as Surf Cup)..a G03 SE team beat a DPL team.
I think each team more so than each club needs to be looked at on a case-by-case basis. You're going to have weak/strong teams in each level/flight of every league out there. And anything can happen on any given day.
 
DD recently guested with SD United G03 Black for the West Coast tournament in Flight 1-White. Great team that played some real nice possession soccer. Well coached group of girls. They were undefeated in CSL Gold last season. Playing Premier this coming season. In group play they beat RSC 3-0..who is playing SCDSL Champions..0-0 draw against CDA Slammers Whittier/Alvarez..who is playing SCDSL Discovery..0-0 draw against OC Surf DA Pilot. In the Semi-Finals they lost 0-1 to LA Breakers ECNL. The only goal a very hard working group of girls gave up all weekend.
Any given day..any given team.
 
younothat said:
Ah the "El Trafico" league, genie is out of the bottle and there just way too many teams nowadays for centralization ... thousands between the many leagues so distributed is the way games have been assigned to get local games.

Having a good home field with space, local games, and a place to train close by is a nice....traveling to play everybody else pretty not as much but heck kids seem to enjoy the experiences.

AYSO is divided up what into regions, area, districts, states and has competition from local all the way to state so what not something like that for "club" soccer, get what your saying about the leagues... Going straight to State cup before doing well in area or region always seemed strange to me, other sports like baseball don't work that way for example.
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Yes I fully agree. While there is a lot to improve within the AYSO organisation, the structure of how leagues are formed and staggered is much better than the CSL/SCDSL scrap we have every year. Only F1 teams should be travelling long distances for games, we have a bronze team and should not be travelling outside of South Orange County for games. Neither should F2 teams.
 
I did a very quick and dirty look at the following for G04- DPL, SCDSL Discovery, SCDSL Champions, Coast Premier, Coast Gold and SDDA F1.
Here is the breakdown by rough geography when you combine all of these "Top" leagues (I omitted 2 teams from Coast because I couldn't figure out where they were located)
  • East - 11 Teams (including Temecula area. I suppose Temecula could be included in San Diego)
  • Los Angeles - 9 Teams (Long Beach to Downtown)
  • North LA/Valley - 8 Teams (Thousand Oaks up to Santa Barbara)
  • OC - 9 Teams (South OC to Cerritos) 4 of these 9 wear some form of a Slammers patch.
  • San Diego - 11 Teams (Could have North SD play with OC )
So all of this talk about "You need to travel more if you are in a higher flight" might not require as much travel as people think. Sure, teams in North of LA and in areas like Santee, Lakeside would have to travel. But for 80% of the teams, you can probably find good competition within 30 miles- Even at the F1 level.

This does not include DA or ECNL teams.
 
timbuck said:
I did a very quick and dirty look at the following for G04- DPL, SCDSL Discovery, SCDSL Champions, Coast Premier, Coast Gold and SDDA F1.
Here is the breakdown by rough geography when you combine all of these "Top" leagues (I omitted 2 teams from Coast because I couldn't figure out where they were located)
  • East - 11 Teams (including Temecula area. I suppose Temecula could be included in San Diego)
  • Los Angeles - 9 Teams (Long Beach to Downtown)
  • North LA/Valley - 8 Teams (Thousand Oaks up to Santa Barbara)
  • OC - 9 Teams (South OC to Cerritos) 4 of these 9 wear some form of a Slammers patch.
  • San Diego - 11 Teams (Could have North SD play with OC )
So all of this talk about "You need to travel more if you are in a higher flight" might not require as much travel as people think. Sure, teams in North of LA and in areas like Santee, Lakeside would have to travel. But for 80% of the teams, you can probably find good competition within 30 miles- Even at the F1 level.

This does not include DA or ECNL teams.
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Actually in SCDSL Flight 3 teams travel more than Flt 1 and 2
 
timbuck said:
I did a very quick and dirty look at the following for G04- DPL, SCDSL Discovery, SCDSL Champions, Coast Premier, Coast Gold and SDDA F1.
Here is the breakdown by rough geography when you combine all of these "Top" leagues (I omitted 2 teams from Coast because I couldn't figure out where they were located)
  • East - 11 Teams (including Temecula area. I suppose Temecula could be included in San Diego)
  • Los Angeles - 9 Teams (Long Beach to Downtown)
  • North LA/Valley - 8 Teams (Thousand Oaks up to Santa Barbara)
  • OC - 9 Teams (South OC to Cerritos) 4 of these 9 wear some form of a Slammers patch.
  • San Diego - 11 Teams (Could have North SD play with OC )
So all of this talk about "You need to travel more if you are in a higher flight" might not require as much travel as people think. Sure, teams in North of LA and in areas like Santee, Lakeside would have to travel. But for 80% of the teams, you can probably find good competition within 30 miles- Even at the F1 level.

This does not include DA or ECNL teams.
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You need to eliminate DPL, Coast Gold and SDDA F1 from the search. DPL is just a money grab by the DA girls clubs looking to keep their kids out of regular competition ... it does their marketing no good to have a DPL team get beat by SCDSL F1 and CSL Gold/Premiere. Those teams are off the table.

SDDA F1 is not the equivalent to Premiere, Champions/Discovery. After SDDA F1 teams move to higher level play with Gold and Flight 1. This is why Albion is in CSL and Surf in SCDSL.

Reorginize it as follows:

Tier 1 = How many teams in your various geographic locations play at CSL-Premiere and SCDSL Champions/Discovery.
Tier 2 = CSL Gold and SCDSL Flight 1 (non-Champions), SDDA F1.
 
Eagle33 said:
Actually in SCDSL Flight 3 teams travel more than Flt 1 and 2
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It depends on the bracket. I remember when my kid played CSL - Bronze we had to travel from Temecula to Palm Desert (2 freaking hours each way). SCDSL F3 = Temecula to Newport Beach as our longest commute ... but Newport Beach is a crap ton better than Palm Desert in September. The further out of the center base you get, the more your travel demands, regardless of flight. That said, CSL Premiere B2000 extends from Santa Barbara to San Diego, which is roughly 220 miles between clubs (5 hours).

If we are talking U15 and below - play could be regional. Once we get to U15+, there are fewer teams and travel demands are greater.
 
MWN said:
The whole point of the Discovery bracket is that it represents SCDSL's top flight, its its own bracket.
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I thought that was why we had a "SCDSL" and then "Flight 1", and then "Champions", and then....I'm so confused. :)
 
MWN said:
You need to eliminate DPL, Coast Gold and SDDA F1 from the search. DPL is just a money grab by the DA girls clubs looking to keep their kids out of regular competition ... it does their marketing no good to have a DPL team get beat by SCDSL F1 and CSL Gold/Premiere. Those teams are off the table.

SDDA F1 is not the equivalent to Premiere, Champions/Discovery. After SDDA F1 teams move to higher level play with Gold and Flight 1. This is why Albion is in CSL and Surf in SCDSL.

Reorginize it as follows:

Tier 1 = How many teams in your various geographic locations play at CSL-Premiere and SCDSL Champions/Discovery.
Tier 2 = CSL Gold and SCDSL Flight 1 (non-Champions), SDDA F1.
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My point was to create a new league structure for Club Soccer in So Cal based on these geographies.
Even in the various way things are flighted today, you will have teams that dominate and those that are probably out of depth.
My new structure won't prevent that. It will just prevent teams from having to drive 2 hours.
 
Is it (relatively) safe to assume that SCDSL regular season games will end in the first week of November as they have in the past? Trying to make plans outside of soccer life, which is near impossible...
 
jimbohonky said:
Is it (relatively) safe to assume that SCDSL regular season games will end in the first week of November as they have in the past? Trying to make plans outside of soccer life, which is near impossible...
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From the schedules posted before in discovery games where on to 11/11, 2nd weekend but your mileage may vary depending on actuals & age group
 
jpeter said:
From the schedules posted before in discovery games where on to 11/11, 2nd weekend but your mileage may vary depending on actuals & age group
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For olders, I doubt regular season, plus playoffs will go beyond the 11th because CIF-SS high school games start on the 12th this year. upload_2018-8-24_15-2-37.png
 
SocalPapa said:
For olders, I doubt regular season, plus playoffs will go beyond the 11th because CIF-SS high school games start on the 12th this year. View attachment 3073
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You should be looking at the SOP date, not first contest. The first contest date is simply when a team can participate in a scrimmage (with a referee). League games begin in December. For those with HS players, this means your club commitments won't likely end until after Thanksgiving, assuming the team is in a Thanksgiving College Showcase. For those with youngers or Flight 2 and under and Silver-Elite/Gold and under, you will likely be done before that.
 
MWN said:
You should be looking at the SOP date, not first contest. The first contest date is simply when a team can participate in a scrimmage (with a referee). League games begin in December. For those with HS players, this means your club commitments won't likely end until after Thanksgiving, assuming the team is in a Thanksgiving College Showcase. For those with youngers or Flight 2 and under and Silver-Elite/Gold and under, you will likely be done before that.
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There have been long discussions about the HS season being moved up this year on this board (including a discussion I started on this topic). I understand players may choose to sit out of HS preseason to stay with their club teams through the Thanksgiving showcases, but that will be an individual decision. My point is I doubt SCDSL will force that decision to be made for nearly every player in the league by extending its schedule beyond the 11th. Maybe I'm wrong, but seems very unlikely.
 
SocalPapa said:
There have been long discussions about the HS season being moved up this year on this board (including a discussion I started on this topic). I understand players may choose to sit out of HS preseason to stay with their club teams through the Thanksgiving showcases, but that will be an individual decision. My point is I doubt SCDSL will force that decision to be made for nearly every player in the league by extending its schedule beyond the 11th. Maybe I'm wrong, but seems very unlikely.
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Recognize that every older kid in their league that has hopes of playing in college will be sitting out if HS starts before Thanksgiving so that they can play in the showcases over Thanksgiving.
 
Both Presidio and Coast have their schedules up. Let’s go SCDSL....waiting on you....tick tock tick tock ....
 
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