SCDSL - Schedule and Rules Updates?
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GKDad65
SILVER ELITE
The whole point of the Discovery bracket is that it represents SCDSL's top flight, its its own bracket.
Don't know, but if you look up results from CRL, National Cup, NPL, etc., you might find the answer.
jpeter
PREMIER
They paid? With only 6 teams in B2000 doesn't seem like a lot of demand for that group.
What I heard was when there was when there was more applications than spots then a committee decided and the coach & doc could make there cases in person or on a conference call.
Looking at the G02 brackets this year (the teams I know), Discovery > Premier and Champions = Premier. I agree Europa got knocked down a peg with some Flight 2 teams moving up to replace some of the better Europa teams that moved up to Champions and Discovery. But Europa looks significantly stronger on the whole than Silver Elite. It now seems generally on par with CSL Gold.
To throw some stats behind my observation, I looked at the average YSR rankings for the 2002 teams in the following brackets:
Discovery 35.0
CSL Premier 34.5
Champions 34.3
CSL Gold 33.4
Europa (all teams) 33.1
CSL Silver Elite (South) 31.3
Of course there have been a lot of changes to these teams in the off season, so we'll have to see how this all plays out.
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Eagle33
PREMIER
With DA, ECNL, DPL and now Discovery, Premier is at the Silver Elite level at best from what it was 10 years ago.
jpeter
PREMIER
All watered down no matter what league.
Depending on the age groups DA and boys ECNL has less comptetion than CSL premier in some cases. DA is very top heavy and falls off dramatic past the top 3-4 teams where premier has more depth, same with boys ECNL with a couple of teams & everyone else.
Leagues should be broken up in the following manner. Forget Coast, SCDSL, Presidio, blah, blah, blah:
1. The Great Park League - All of Orange County plays here
2. The Oceanside/Polo Field League - Anything South of Pendleton plays here
3. The Silverlakes League - Anything east of Anaheim
4. The Anything between Manhattan Beach and Thousand Oaks League - Maybe play at Stubhub. Any other large complexes in LA that clubs use. Could probably break this up into a few leagues based on geography and the mess of traffic in the area. Coastal, Downtown, Pasadena
5. Lancaster and Friends League
All tournaments place teams from each league against each other before they add a 2nd team from any of the above 5 leagues.
1. The Great Park League - All of Orange County plays here
2. The Oceanside/Polo Field League - Anything South of Pendleton plays here
3. The Silverlakes League - Anything east of Anaheim
4. The Anything between Manhattan Beach and Thousand Oaks League - Maybe play at Stubhub. Any other large complexes in LA that clubs use. Could probably break this up into a few leagues based on geography and the mess of traffic in the area. Coastal, Downtown, Pasadena
5. Lancaster and Friends League
All tournaments place teams from each league against each other before they add a 2nd team from any of the above 5 leagues.
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This an excellent idea
Discovery is interesting as clubs promised or were forced (not sure which) a certain number of teams for each age group- looks to be based on total number of teams within the club
Some are real reaches- especially at the 03 age group where lots of DA kids will be back in the mix for a season as they wait to be the “old” of the 2 year age group. There are teams that are newly formed and practice 2 times a week taking on teams that are made up of a core of DA players that are still working on a DA training schedule and have strong ties to their system. Some of these new teams are asking for more practice days but not getting the field space allotted to them after they were sacrificed into the bracket. Head scratcher indeed
Multi Sport
DA
So I guess that would mean playing every other weekend?
Not sure I follow? Are you saying that’s not enough Field space to handle all of the teams?
Even with Sunday games?
Multi Sport
DA
Correct. With all the age groups and levels not enough time.
Your idea works for Flight 3 and 2. It starts to fall apart when we get to Flight 1/Premiere, etc. If you want to have a top tier level (Champions/Discovery/Premiere/NPL/etc.) team have to travel because there are not that many really good teams in the regions.
Just take Temecula for example. The recreational soccer program (TVSA) get priority allocation of City fields and then you have Pop Warner also operating in the Fall. The competitive soccer programs (Hawks, Legends South, Arsenal South, Temecula United, Temecula Quails, etc.) have to schedule roughly 100 games per day during the season on whatever is left (a few public parks with 2 fields, Birdsal Park and Galway Downs). Before daylight savings ends (Nov.) we get roughly 6 games per field, so 100/6 = 17 fields of various sizes for 1 city, but the number is actually higher because we can't get optimized utilization.
Great Park has about 17 fields right now ... the dinky City of Temecula could use all of it for its competition soccer clubs during the fall. Now you want to take a region that has needs for over 800+ games and force them all on Great Park?
RedCard
GOLD
I agree with this. If you're a Flight 1 team, you have to travel to find other competitive teams. Both my kids teams are based out of the San Gabriel Valley and we need to travel South just to play good, competitive friendly games. And looking at my daughter's Flight 1 bracket, only 1 of the 6 other teams is close to us. 2 are within 25-45 minutes down the 605 depending on traffic, and the 3 other teams are in the South Bay which can be a drive, again depending on good ol' L.A. traffic. Now, I know OC and SD traffic ain't any easier. Especially that section of the 5 going South through Camp Pendleton (Ooh-Rah!). I just don't understand why traffic stops there. But this is what we all signed up for...
Or use it as a way to thin the heard. Maybe we don't need that many "Competitve" teams around town.
Ok - So maybe it doesn't work perfect every weekend. But you could still call it by those names and have teams play on surrounding overflow fields that are withing a 15 mile drive of the big soccer parks.
And each "League" holds one tournament per summer that lasts a week, with teams from the other leagues invited. 5 big tournaments per summer spaced out a week or 2 apart. Fill in the non tournament weekends with friendlies if you like.
Ok - So maybe it doesn't work perfect every weekend. But you could still call it by those names and have teams play on surrounding overflow fields that are withing a 15 mile drive of the big soccer parks.
And each "League" holds one tournament per summer that lasts a week, with teams from the other leagues invited. 5 big tournaments per summer spaced out a week or 2 apart. Fill in the non tournament weekends with friendlies if you like.
younothat
PREMIER
Ah the "El Trafico" league, genie is out of the bottle and there just way too many teams nowadays for centralization ... thousands between the many leagues so distributed is the way games have been assigned to get local games.
Having a good home field with space, local games, and a place to train close by is a nice....traveling to play everybody else pretty not as much but heck kids seem to enjoy the experiences.
AYSO is divided up what into regions, area, districts, states and has competition from local all the way to state so what not something like that for "club" soccer, get what your saying about the leagues... Going straight to State cup before doing well in area or region always seemed strange to me, other sports like baseball don't work that way for example.
At Carlsbad Cup last month..(same weekend as Surf Cup)..a G03 SE team beat a DPL team.
I think each team more so than each club needs to be looked at on a case-by-case basis. You're going to have weak/strong teams in each level/flight of every league out there. And anything can happen on any given day.
DD recently guested with SD United G03 Black for the West Coast tournament in Flight 1-White. Great team that played some real nice possession soccer. Well coached group of girls. They were undefeated in CSL Gold last season. Playing Premier this coming season. In group play they beat RSC 3-0..who is playing SCDSL Champions..0-0 draw against CDA Slammers Whittier/Alvarez..who is playing SCDSL Discovery..0-0 draw against OC Surf DA Pilot. In the Semi-Finals they lost 0-1 to LA Breakers ECNL. The only goal a very hard working group of girls gave up all weekend.
Any given day..any given team.
Any given day..any given team.
ItsCalledSoccer
SILVER
Yes I fully agree. While there is a lot to improve within the AYSO organisation, the structure of how leagues are formed and staggered is much better than the CSL/SCDSL scrap we have every year. Only F1 teams should be travelling long distances for games, we have a bronze team and should not be travelling outside of South Orange County for games. Neither should F2 teams.