SCDSL Playoff info?

timbuck said:
Or was the reason “we can charge the same fee but have less games”= more money to keep.
Less ref fees. Less Field costs. Coaches get a free weekend.
10 games playing 4 teams twice and 2 teams once is dumb.
I’m sure there will be a team that deserves a playoff spot that will get hosed because they played the 1st place team twice, but the last place team once. . And the first place team had 2 games against a last place team.
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You make no sense.

How does SCDSL make more money with less playoff games?

Teams pay ref fees. Silverlakes is paid for regardless if used or not. It’s a contract.

Your team saves money by not having more games. Your club saves more money by not having to rent fields for more games.

If playoffs are so important to you play for a better team.

Most of these kids will be into high school practice. Unless they aren’t good enough for that team.

You look at this through the eyes of a bad low level team. Say you are on a high level team. Play 10 games in league, 3 games in playoffs and then a Thanksgiving Tourney. The kids need a break. By the time you add in test dates a higher level team has what maybe 1 weekend off.


Oh and BTW SCDSL added playoffs 3 years ago. Same fee is charged for teams since year one Of the league. So playoffs have always been essentially free.

It is a DOC driven league if DOC’s said let’s play 14 games and no playoffs that’s what you would have.
 
I’m not saying the league makes more money. I’m talking about the clubs that voted for less games. They pay less in ref fees and field costs. But collect the same fee from parents and players.
Let’s say a club has 40 teams that play 11v11. Average ref fee per team is $64.
Only 8 of them make the playoffs.
32 teams playing 2 less games is a little over $4k.
Not gonna make anyone rich, but it won’t hurt either.

As stated in a prior message here- there was a vote to limit the number of teams in the playoffs. Why would soccer people vote to have soccer kids play less games? And have kids be done playing by November 4th?

I tend to think that most decisions come down to either money, safety or convenience.
 
Soccer said:
You make no sense. If playoffs are so important to you play for a better team.
Most of these kids will be into high school practice. Unless they aren’t good enough for that team.
You look at this through the eyes of a bad low level team. Say you are on a high level team. Play 10 games in league, 3 games in playoffs and then a Thanksgiving Tourney. The kids need a break. By the time you add in test dates a higher level team has what maybe 1 weekend off.
It is a DOC driven league if DOC’s said let’s play 14 games and no playoffs that’s what you would have.
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Soccer's explanation is so uncouth. Let me help explain it in a manner that is more clear and hopefully less offensive.

What I think Soccer is trying to say is, that if your kid sucks, f**k you, sit down, shut up, pay your fees and be grateful that your contribution is helping subsidize the kids that aren't reduced to playing on the competitive rec team. Be happy that you are allowed to share a uniform with those high level teams.

Trust the COCK'S, I mean DOC'S as they would never put $$$ or self interest over the growth and development of your child.
 
timbuck said:
As stated in a prior message here- there was a vote to limit the number of teams in the playoffs. Why would soccer people vote to have soccer kids play less games? And have kids be done playing by November 4th?
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Most clubs have the teams pay ref fees. So it saves the teams money. Not everyone wants soccer every weekend in the fall.

In regards to the part I quoted. Look at it through the eyes of a top team. Is it less games? 10 League games, 3 playoff games, plus all of the test dates. 13 games in a crammed fall season, is that really too few. The movement is soccer is more like level competition and less games. You start adding games, you take away test dates. Or you eliminate the playoff, take your pick. DOC's voted to keep test dates and have a playoff to get a couple of good games against other high finishing teams. Nothing about money.

Most of your posts are about how Club Soccer is so bad, quite frankly complaining about it all of the time. Why do you have your kids play in it then? It is a choice. If you are so concerned, how are you getting involved to make it better? Are you a coach? Are you a Board Member/ Volunteer for your club?
 
You are looking at this from the lens of an 04 and older team. Test dates, hs soccer, etc.
Some 04s are still in 8th grade and that doesn’t come in to play.
All 06 and all 05 players are in middle school. No test dates or Hs soccer for them to worry about.

If this was voted in this summer...why not announce the format before the season starts? Here we are halfway through the season and the reduced playoff format just comes out.

If we don’t make the playoffs- we’ll probably find a few games that weekend anyway. Or maybe we’ll plan the team camping trip we tried to make happen this summer.
 
timbuck said:
I’m not saying the league makes more money. I’m talking about the clubs that voted for less games. They pay less in ref fees and field costs. But collect the same fee from parents and players.
Let’s say a club has 40 teams that play 11v11. Average ref fee per team is $64.
Only 8 of them make the playoffs.
32 teams playing 2 less games is a little over $4k.
Not gonna make anyone rich, but it won’t hurt either.

As stated in a prior message here- there was a vote to limit the number of teams in the playoffs. Why would soccer people vote to have soccer kids play less games? And have kids be done playing by November 4th?

I tend to think that most decisions come down to either money, safety or convenience.
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@Soccer and @timbuck,

The Silverlakes/SCDSL contract provides that SCDSL has between 22-24 weekend play dates to be used during the period after Labor Day through December (para 4.1). The problem facing SCDSL with an expanded playoff format is Silverlakes cannot accommodation all the games, so SCDSL has to reach out to other complexes if its going to expand the playoff format to allow more teams. While Silverlakes The other problem facing SCDSL and CSL and Cal South is the CIF moved the High school season up two weeks to early November, which wasn't anticipated. So now we have leagues faced with ending their seasons weeks before Thanksgiving because the clubs lose players to HS.

The quick answer is the fields are not all paid for with an expanded playoff season and HS demands the season end by the 4th.
 
Primetime said:
The voting by club directors wasn't even close. Less teams making the playoffs was the runaway winner. Reason being No one who finished 4th,5th,6th or 7th in their brackets wanted to play the top 1st or 2nd place team half way across who knows where just to get waxed. They'd rather call it a wrap and move on. Big surprise to me was the youngers showcase games day was also voted out almost unanimously. I actually thought that was a cool day. Get to watch the entire age group play 2 games at one location. It Was shot down real quick.
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Interesting, wonder why we never heard about voting on these topics any of the previous years until this one/now? The orginal playoff format was ridiculous and most everyone I talked to thought the showcases were no better than scrimmages so wonder why this year things changed?

The ideas of getting consistent quality games in discovery and not wanting playoffs, not sure about that with 10-0 scores maybe it's growing pains but the comp on the boys side has been uneven past a few of the top teams in most groups.
 
Soccer said:
Most clubs have the teams pay ref fees. So it saves the teams money. Not everyone wants soccer every weekend in the fall.

In regards to the part I quoted. Look at it through the eyes of a top team. Is it less games? 10 League games, 3 playoff games, plus all of the test dates. 13 games in a crammed fall season, is that really too few. The movement is soccer is more like level competition and less games. You start adding games, you take away test dates. Or you eliminate the playoff, take your pick. DOC's voted to keep test dates and have a playoff to get a couple of good games against other high finishing teams. Nothing about money.

Most of your posts are about how Club Soccer is so bad, quite frankly complaining about it all of the time. Why do you have your kids play in it then? It is a choice. If you are so concerned, how are you getting involved to make it better? Are you a coach? Are you a Board Member/ Volunteer for your club?
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I think club soccer is great for the kids. It's the adults that screw things up every few months.
Mergers, competing leagues/watered down competition, fundraisers, jackasses on the sidelines yelling at players and refs, crappy field conditions, expensive parking, $300 uniforms, reduced number of games.... These are the main things that I'll "complain" about.
 
There is a DOC in January. Things are voted on as to what worked what didn’t. It wasn’t last summer. By then it is to late as schedule was to clubs by August 1 this year.

It is a DOC driven league. A lot of these questions are for your DOC. Why didn’t the club communicate it? This information was out there.

MWN, the Silverlakes lease is for 20 fields and ends Nov 18th. The lease is for 19 play dates. You have 5 test dates. That is 14 days teams can play at older ages, with no rain days.

Tim Buck this is the first year of U13 playoffs. Another thing DOC’s voted for. That age has 12 Games plus potentially 3 playoff games. U14 will always be grouped with older teams.
 
our club felt playoffs at younger age groups are better than having Showcase games - which just about every coach/parent hated for many reasons. Better competitive structure, better development for the kids. There are field issues and the current format, as it stands, accommodates what is possible. Only a few clubs could probably absorb the cost of the fields if the games were played as home games. You also dont know who will not make the playoffs and it is already a nightmare to schedule field months in advanced.would be nearly impossible to organize games with only a week or two in advance - without a lot of fighting about where and when. Im all for more games, but a ton of issues with the details of playing even an extra game outside of a place like Silverlakes. Ill take more games at Great Park =)
 
Soccer said:
There is a DOC in January. Things are voted on as to what worked what didn’t. It wasn’t last summer. By then it is to late as schedule was to clubs by August 1 this year.

It is a DOC driven league. A lot of these questions are for your DOC. Why didn’t the club communicate it? This information was out there.

MWN, the Silverlakes lease is for 20 fields and ends Nov 18th. The lease is for 19 play dates. You have 5 test dates. That is 14 days teams can play at older ages, with no rain days.

Tim Buck this is the first year of U13 playoffs. Another thing DOC’s voted for. That age has 12 Games plus potentially 3 playoff games. U14 will always be grouped with older teams.
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Normally there are minutes, agenda, and votes published for organizations and never really seen any of that from DSL which seems to do it things their own way changing all the time.

Changes can be good but for example who or how or things put to a vote? These is some type of board but what does that mean saying this a DOC league? If a DOC has a recommendation how does that get put to a vote? DSL has never been the best about timely communication and there transparency could use some improvement also IMO.
 
Eagle33 said:
The whole world figured this out long ago and US Soccer finally getting aboard with this - more training and less games.
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I wonder if the coaches will still hold training sessions up until Thanksgiving. Or maybe "open" training sessions, you know, to start recruiting.
 
Multi Sport said:
I wonder if the coaches will still hold training sessions up until Thanksgiving. Or maybe "open" training sessions, you know, to start recruiting.
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I'm sure some will continue training and some don't. All depends on the coach, club and team.
 
jpeter said:
Normally there are minutes, agenda, and votes published for organizations and never really seen any of that from DSL which seems to do it things their own way changing all the time.

Changes can be good but for example who or how or things put to a vote? These is some type of board but what does that mean saying this a DOC league? If a DOC has a recommendation how does that get put to a vote? DSL has never been the best about timely communication and there transparency could use some improvement also IMO.
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This is a DOC driven league, if a DOC has an idea they bring it up to the technical committee and it is discussed at the meeting in an open forum. There are minutes and documentation is taken on the vote a the meeting.

The board is their to approve financial decisions only, they have nothing to do with the schedule, number of games, formats etc. That is all decided and voted on by the DOC's. The board is there to say, no we cannot give each team $1,000 for winning league, decisions like that. They honestly have no input on anything.

Sounds more like your DOC is not open on communication and transparency. As our DOC always shares the results and agenda for every meeting.
 
Soccer said:
This is a DOC driven league, if a DOC has an idea they bring it up to the technical committee and it is discussed at the meeting in an open forum. There are minutes and documentation is taken on the vote a the meeting.

The board is their to approve financial decisions only, they have nothing to do with the schedule, number of games, formats etc. That is all decided and voted on by the DOC's. The board is there to say, no we cannot give each team $1,000 for winning league, decisions like that. They honestly have no input on anything.

Sounds more like your DOC is not open on communication and transparency. As our DOC always shares the results and agenda for every meeting.
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Correct. Any significant info from the meeting I relay to my coaches the same day. They've known everything since January. It was real simple in the voting. The vast majority felt that too many teams were getting in the playoffs and most of the bottom teams were only making it in to then have to play the top seeded teams that they had no real chance of beating. So most coaches/docs didn't want follow what was already likely a disapointing season with a beat down to ice the cake just for the sake of playing another game. Not that complicated. I'm sure there's couple teams in there that just miss out but that's always the case. As far as brackets and teams not playing everyone the same amount of times, again happens a lot it's a random draw. So a team or two has an easier schedule in your bracket, At the end of the day if you can beat the first place team once let alone twice then why are you looking to be in the playoffs at all anyways.
 
This year in discovery bracket my kid has played one game a weekend . The teams aren’t anything like they were in the past but that may be just age group related. It seems like a boring drug outnseqson without a lot of intensity. At least the playoffs would of been for something.ninhage to say though I have enjoyed having a weekend day free
 
Eagle33 said:
If you are not happy with the league you are in, you don't have to play in it. There are plenty of tournaments every weekend all over the country. If you want your team to play 3-4 games every weekend, it is an option.
I don't thing there is anything wrong with playing 10 games during Fall, specially when HS season right now starts on November 5th.
The whole world figured this out long ago and US Soccer finally getting aboard with this - more training and less games.
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Lol@ High school soccer
 
This is my son first year playing is SCDSL, under 2010b (2011 birthday year). Really low competing for the kids to learned anything teams beating teams 9/10/11 to 0/1 ect. But then again I get it teams are just staring , but I would have liked it if there where some sort of playoff after the season for how much the scdsl charges to participate the least they could do or even let the kids play south and east brackets. At this age kids just want to play. I think Sunday’s leagues have better competing and way cheaper.
 
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