Isn’t Great Park easier for Orange County and San Diego County residents? Norco is better only for Riverside and San Bernardino.
SCDSL adding Discovery Division
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Isn’t Great Park easier for Orange County and San Diego County residents? Norco is better only for Riverside and San Bernardino.
You guys are so focused on the girls side only that you cannot see beyond it.
Boys side has had DA for 10 years and SCDSL exist not just for the girls. It is not their version of DPL, as that's girls only league. The boys side has had 3 leagues, ever since SCDSL was formed 5~6 years ago. Not a big deal.
Try not to over think it...
Boys side has had DA for 10 years and SCDSL exist not just for the girls. It is not their version of DPL, as that's girls only league. The boys side has had 3 leagues, ever since SCDSL was formed 5~6 years ago. Not a big deal.
Try not to over think it...
The point is you didn’t have to create a new “division” to do all of this. You could have kept the Champions division and added all the rest.
And full disclosure, my dd’s team may end up playing in this division. However, we know the real reason for this new division. . .
Simi, I was waiting for you, I knew you’d chime in and guess what, you are absolutely correct. This is absolutely SCDSL’s answer to DPL. But if it’s the same teams playing each other, then it’s the same old show.
El Clasico
GOLD
Translation: More expensive and more control over athletes.
Did they forget to mention...
Silverlakes is a great complex to watch TV and drink a beer while the kids play.
Too windy for good soccer
Too hot in summer and fall
Pay to park every weekend
Team fees will likely be substantially higher as all those "free" perks have to now be included in the team registration fee.
Really. As opposed to multiple round-trips to San Diego, San Bernardino, Santa Barbara, and where ever else you will be required to play on any given weekend in SCDSL and/or CSL as it currently stands? What's the difference in terms of cost? Minimal, if any. But really, the costs of all of this and all other club soccer in SoCal is another matter.
I definitely agree that club soccer is a massive money grab and there are plenty of under-served families. And I know for a fact that there is talent being overlooked because of the limited access that the current pay-to-play culture brings, but still I see the value in terms of scheduling consistency and quality of play a set-up like this should bring. Baring burning it all down and starting over with some of that $150M US Soccer is sitting on, this division is a good development for the club community.
If you can't see that, you're likely an "all-or-nothing" guy. No band-aids, no improvements, just wholesale change of culture or don't bother.
DA's not supposed to compete with local competition. It's a feeder for the US teams. They shouldn't be in the discussion. And ECNL has so few teams in SoCal that it doesn't really matter. Top SCDSL teams can still play them at Surf Cup etc. to test their mettle.
They could not because there is promotion and demotion into and out of the new division. Its supposed to be more competitive with less emphasis on the development. It will only exist for the olders.
There is promotion and demotion in SCDSL, although it’s not as formal as CSL. And why couldn’t you have simply added the new promotion/demotion element to Champions division?
tylerdurden
SILVER
Sounds like it to me. It appears to me that they'll just move most of the Champion teams into the new league/bracket. Having everyone at Silverlakes is like what CSL is doing with Premier by having 90% of the games in San Bernardino. Why couldn't they just have applied these changes to the Champion bracket? Did they really need another bracket to water things down?
I guess this is a way to add relegation to their league but isn't that what they were trying to move away from in the first place?
SoccerFan4Life
PREMIER
Norco is also close for north Orange County teams. They made a big investment so Norco is staying for a long time. Great Park would be a great place but not sure scdsl will benefit.
Just have the games in the mornings from 8 to 12 or after 6pm. It sucks but Norco will remain the main place for a long time. Heck I had to travel to Ryan park this weekend for a state cup and it sucked!!! I will take Norco over Ryan park or Temecula or Lancaster or San bernandino.
It should be: Norco, Oceanside, Lancaster for north la teams and hoping great park but doubt it.
Just have the games in the mornings from 8 to 12 or after 6pm. It sucks but Norco will remain the main place for a long time. Heck I had to travel to Ryan park this weekend for a state cup and it sucked!!! I will take Norco over Ryan park or Temecula or Lancaster or San bernandino.
It should be: Norco, Oceanside, Lancaster for north la teams and hoping great park but doubt it.
Relax BRO, I know DA is the top league (at least 2003 and younger). That's what I was trying to tell JJP. As for my ECNL statement, wouldn't you agree that this new division would be even stronger and better (steel sharpening steel) if the ECNL teams were also involved? That was my point.
Now with respect to your condescending tone, a little much.
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
first glance it just splits up the talent more. Already fighting about leagues/divisions. Then you add Surf. Then you add Silverlakes. Anyone living in Mid/South OC and south isnt going to be happy. This works for big clubs who give certain teams to a handful of coaches and those are the only team levels they coach. Most coaches who have multiple teams spread across multiple flights & other coaching commitments wont place their teams in it.
There is no promotion and relegation in SCDSL. That was one of the tenet when the league was set up originally. One of my kids played in the inaugural year of SCDSL and I clearly recall the debate here in the old forum people arguing SCDSL vs CSL. My younger kid plays for SCDSL club now and has for several years.
Placement into Champion division is decided by DOCs and is self nominated. There is no set criteria, like in CSL. For SCDSL to say that there is promotion and relegation would go directly against the charter and what they stand for so its cleaner and easier to set up a new dedicated division as a separate thing.
Don't know what your issue with SCDSL is and I don't care, really. All I'm saying is that its not a big deal that they are doing this. At least it will go back to having a real Flight 1 level, like the very first year when Flight 1 consisted of 10~12 teams, and not 40 like is now. Someone mentioned earlier comparing to Premier - I agree.
I think he means "Exposure to the burning sun of Norco."
How is this the case? The new division will be filled with existing flight 1 teams, mostly from the Champions division. Its not a new league with whole new set of teams....
Works best if DPL goes away and those teams move into this division. Could create a better environment for a lot of the soon to be displaced players looking for high level competition that aren’t geographically near ECNL Clubs.
You’ll never get ECNL teams to switch....why would they leave the ECNL league?
You’ll never get ECNL teams to switch....why would they leave the ECNL league?
Yea I agree DA doesn’t compete directly with CSL and SCDSL, but they all compete for talent. DA is great but the travel for games is ridiculous. CSL, SCDSL and all the other local leagues can compete with DA for talent by offering games vs. quality local teams with less travel, I think that’s a winning idea, and the way to do that would be to merge the top division in each league.