Dartmouth still has scholarships for Native Americans (the school was founded for educating the inhabitants up in what was then the wilderness) and any student graduating from high school while a resident of Wheelock, Vermont (they have to attend school somewhere else - it's pretty much back to wilderness now) is guaranteed admission and a full ride. The town of Wheelock was granted to Dartmouth in its early cash-starved years, and Dartmouth agreed to a payback - 9 scholars so far in about 200 years.
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Dartmouth still has scholarships for Native Americans (the school was founded for educating the inhabitants up in what was then the wilderness) and any student graduating from high school while a resident of Wheelock, Vermont (they have to attend school somewhere else - it's pretty much back to wilderness now) is guaranteed admission and a full ride. The town of Wheelock was granted to Dartmouth in its early cash-starved years, and Dartmouth agreed to a payback - 9 scholars so far in about 200 years.
That was a final 2 of the schools my DD was considering. Beautiful area. NO merit scholarships, as in all the Ivy's. Just "needs" based and the other stuff.
They don't have merit scholarships, but they do have merit admissions, for the most part.
I think all DI schools are like that. I shopped my son for rowing and the Ivy's were happy to talk. In the end, he didn't want to row and ended up at the USAFA basically for being fit and smart enough. At the time my DD selected on major, not money, not soccer, but soccer got her in.
BTW - if you've got a kid who is wanting to serve, smart enough, and tough (athletics more important than grades) - the service academies are great. @21 he's a 2nd Lt, bought a house and has a job the next 10-20 years.
MacDre
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Good advice. Those open to service academies can also look into ROTC at most universities too.
True, but ROTC is a bit like junior college. It all works. I also comes and goes/can be taken away. I would not advise ROTC over the actual service academies except for the researched focused. Those are not, should not be DI athletes .
Messi>CR7
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5 years active and 3 years in reserve for Air Force Academy graduate. I think other service academies are similar.
Not sure if playing sports make any difference. If I recall correctly, David Robinson was allowed to serve only two years because he was deemed too tall to have a career with Navy.
MacDre
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Service Academies (SA) are great options IF you can get in. Your kid is a “rockstar.” Many will not be successful in gaining admission into a SA and can take ROTC at their university as an alternative route to SA.
Sports have nothing to do with it. You have a mandatory job for at least 5 years depending one what job you choose. It can be 10 years.
The graduate is an officer getting paid $60K+. That and putting their life on the line if needed. So again, if they are the type willing to serve, great deal. If not, wrong direction.
IMO most elite female soccer players are a shoe-in. As are male cyclists. The physical demands for females were not at my DD's soccer level and way below my son's level. But sure you need to have good grades and test scores and tell a story and really really be an athlete. The ROTC thing is not a good option for the soccer player. If you are a player, do the DI athletic thing. The ROTC is not a sports path. If you are an academic - like 95+ percentile then maybe ROTC and just do school and more school. I think the kid is better off going in the front door, or doing sports.
I am not sure what you mean "ROTC is a bit like junior college"? They have ROTC at all levels of colleges (UCLA, etc) and it can be a great option. It is a big commitment and a lot of work. You can get a full scholarship where you might not get money like that for soccer and it can be at whatever college you are applying to. If you are at a D1 school it would be challenging to do both ROTC and soccer because of the time commitment for each. You do have to complete the years of service after graduating college but it can open doors for a lot of career paths and opportunities, many benefits as a veteran
By the time the young women are 22 and ready to graduate and move on, many of them will, unless they are in the pool to turn pro. They can also use their one year of eligibility to help them get into a grad program and play one year for the new school.
Junior college works, you get a degree. ROTC works too, you get a degree and end up in the military. You probably do not play DI soccer on ROTC. The kids from the service academys seem to get promoted faster. A particular ROTC officer I know would complain about being just as smart, but not getting the treatment that the academy kids did. He was just as smart, but did not get promoted as quickly. Maybe because of his personality, maybe because the others came out of the US Naval Academy, West Point or USAFA. They just got more creds, except for the top academic majors where ROTC provided ways to do research at top universities.
This scope here is kids that play soccer. If you want to be a ROTC and research scientist and play competitive DI that is just not going to happen at a competitive school. You CAN be in the service academy and play soccer. Your game/team will suffer a bit as they generally don't care that that marching might affect your game, but you certainly can do both.
If you are after a degree where you need to be at a school that offers ROTC - do it, and forget soccer.
If you want to play soccer, there is not much at a DI university that is valuable for ROTC and allows you to play soccer. Classes may will conflict with practice etc. It is just super hard to do both.
So - if you want to play soccer AND be in the military - just go to a service academy
For US Air Force Academy (Navy is similar, I don't know West Point, but I'd expect also similar)
5, 8 or 10 - depends.
Min is 5, that is typically an office job.
8 I think for remote piloted aircraft (drones). They are licensed pilots.
10 for pilot from when you get out of pilot training. Very many stay longer.
10 for certain post graduate degrees but some time can be served concurrently.
A pilot that owes 10 who gets a Masters or Phd does not now owe 20 to the best of my understanding.
It also depends what that major is. A graduate degree helps promotion. That means more money sooner, and more when retired.
gotothebushes
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I know of 3/4 players who will use there one year of eligibility and go to grad school and will play there last year at there new school. Smart idea!
Anyone on here have the scoop on the top girls soccer programs in the SEC? ACC? Big 12? How about up and coming with potential? Best Possession? How about Media and or Communications degree schools? Going to see some long lost friends over in the South East part of da country. PM ime if you want. Thx
dk_b
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indeed. We knew it would be different for our younger daughters but I will admit that I had not factored in, “global pandemic disrupting youth sports for 15 months” (or however long it will be), as one of the differentiating variables.
Some people have given me grief for saying that playing for the handful of queen maker coaches is the best and safest way to get recruited. If you did not heed it and your kid is an uncommitted junior or senior, you may be in real trouble, as Covid-19 has closed the door on the narrow path of playing showcases, getting seen there and emailing a lot of awesome recent video. A so so player at Blues before this happened is probably in much better shape right now than a much better player at the small club who hadn’t been found yet. Oh, and now is not the time to whine about fees if you’re one of the fortunate ones at a club with a coach who only needs to make a phone call on your kid’s behalf.
If it’s that important, you might consider moving to TX or GA, hopefully getting on one of their teams there, and taking your chances with Covid-19. Or get uber aggressive with the email and phone calls, and probably end up still having to try walking where you can get in academically and isn’t a soccer power. Even walking on may be rough at a lot of schools next fall if the season doesn’t move to spring, however, because a lot of seniors will come back or play as grad transfers, leaving a lot of teams with 5 years worth of players on the team. Also don’t discount juco until roster sizes return to normal.
One more “I told you so”. I was also critical of the NCAA changing the recruiting rules so that kids could not have contact until end of sophomore year or visit until junior year, as it left kids with a very compressed time frame to educate themselves and make commitment decisions. A lot of people are probably really wishing their sophomore and junior daughters could have met with coaches as freshman and possibly committed much earlier.
Seriously, when I say it’s probably gonna snow in CO in April or GDA will fail, maybe ya’ll should listen.
dk_b
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Was that directed at me?