Several schools, Washington State, Arizona State and Oregon State and possibly a couple others offer California students instate tuition and vice versa, plus these schools are not very academically competitive to get into (compared to UC and privates) but can be impacted by number of applicants. Some great opportunities for students.
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Jose has returned
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I am wondering if there are schools that are going to go rogue. If they need a player or want to see a player they might go under cover, you know hush-hush agent orange.Could anyone who are familiar with the college recruiting process explain what would be impacts of "NCAA dead period extended through Aug 31."
What I see here are "no in person recruiting", and "no college coaches' visits to watch youth players for recruiting purpose" during the dead period.
My questions are,
- No college showcase till 8/31? What about SurfCup?
- No official college ID camp run by each college till 8/31?
- How about "multi college ID camp" events? I received many e-mails advertising "multi college showcase" in this summer run by commercial organizations. Could college coaches to attend such kind of camps still be approved by NCAA
DI Council extends recruiting dead period in all sports
The Division I Council extended the recruiting dead period in all sports through Aug. 31. The Council met virtually Thursday afternoon.www.ncaa.org
I don't think schools will want to risk the possible consequences of NCAA. Sanctions could really hurt them.
dk_b
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not for soccer, that’s for sure. Budgets are tightening, too.
My friend mentioned an older parent saying Cal, UCLA,USC and mostly Stanford has 14 03s verbally committed. His friends daughters friend who passed on Cal. Her teammates committed at Cal- 0/0/50/50. But is worried now with 14 players committing!
The pitch is they will get you into UCLA and CAL on the cheap offering 0 year 1 makes it easy for them. Cut whoever you don’t want. Doesn’t cost them anything! But for. kids that would never get into CAL or UCLA, getting in his huge. However for places like Stanford and USC commits 15 players and then tell the players they can't get into school. Is recruiting really this ugly? Do they actually recruit players and then de-commit the player because they say a US National team play will be taking there spot? If so that's pretty dishonest which leads to why would a player even choose to commit early? Love to hear peoples thoughts!
The pitch is they will get you into UCLA and CAL on the cheap offering 0 year 1 makes it easy for them. Cut whoever you don’t want. Doesn’t cost them anything! But for. kids that would never get into CAL or UCLA, getting in his huge. However for places like Stanford and USC commits 15 players and then tell the players they can't get into school. Is recruiting really this ugly? Do they actually recruit players and then de-commit the player because they say a US National team play will be taking there spot? If so that's pretty dishonest which leads to why would a player even choose to commit early? Love to hear peoples thoughts!
Pac12 scholarships are guaranteed for 4 years. If a scholarship player is cut, the school is still on the hook for the scholarship to the player.
Sorry, when I said being cut I meant being 1 of 15 who committed to the school and then on National signing day the school only takes 8 players. Leaving 7 players in the dust to start trying to find another school to accept them. Hope I'm making sense. I thought Pac 12 schlorships are year to year based on performance?
Soccerfan2
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Power 5 plus Notre Dame guarantee athletic scholarships all 4 years as wc_baller said. They implemented this rule in 2015. They cannot take away athletic money for poor performance.
You missed the "offering 0 year 1" part.
The Power 5 conferences, including the Pac12, guarantee all athletic scholarships over 4 years. If any school does what you are proposing, and doesn't honor the commitments they made to that many players on signing day, that will be a program killer. When word gets out, no prospective student/athlete in their their right mind will trust that coach or that program.
dk_b
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Yes - I've made that P5 point a number of times on this board as well. But there are programs who bump kids prior to NLI day b/c someone better comes along. If it is an elite academic school, they can use admissions as an excuse but it is tough if the kid getting bumped is a stellar student. Few schools can get away with that but some can and do.
As for the # of players being recruited - it is something to consider if the goal is to contribute as early and as much as is possible. Take a place like Stanford - he plays sophs/frosh so much that if you are not playing by the end of your soph year, with all the elite players he brings in, you may very well not be playing. The math alone makes it tough and then when you add that a late commit might be someone like Marcario and, well, that person waiting for her big chance as a Jr may just not see it materialize.
Agree with everything in your post. Schools pulling an offer last minute does occur occasionally. But the scenario that the previous poster was proposing, where a school that has 15 verbal commitments reneges on 7 commitments on signing day, would never happen by any school. That was what I was referring to that would a program killer.
Stanford I believe has decommitted players on more than a few occasions. I know it's not the norm, but they seem to be an institution that is ok with this pracitce.
I can only speak on personal experience. The old rules had 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th graders making verbal commitments on Instagram and that went over to the clubs FB page and all the parents would gush with joy for their goat all without knowing how one will turn out with her grades or playing 3-5 years later. Many things change for a female in those important growth years that men have no clue about. I know most girl players have 4.0 or higher GPA and can ball. But not all the ballers can spell and do math at the 4.3 and higher level. So if you could ball in 8th grade and now your just ok and just ok with grades, I dont think that's a match at Unicorn U like it was a few years ago before puberty starts and before your brain level has actual data ((report card and SAT)) to evaluate.
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dk_b
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Yes - and I agree 100%
Simisoccerfan
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If they offer little to no scholarship year 1, then the 4 year guarantee of offering little to nothing has little impact if a player doesn't contribute. That gives the coach the opportunity to offer more money years 2-4 to players making an impact. I read the the guarantee does not apply to kids offered no money year 1 with a promise of a backloaded deal. So it makes sense that coaches in the Power 5 to not always make a big first year offer.
Isn't Notre Dame part of the P5 (ACC)?
So P5 schools when offering scholarships, it's for all 4 years? Whether you see time on the field or not? Did I get that correctly?
How does it differ in other conferences other than the P5?? P5 is ACC, SEC, Big10, Big12, Ivies??
MacDre
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Are you being nice or optimistic? At the risk of sounding cynical, looks like college coaches have found a “loop hole” to the Power 5 guarantee. If I were a Power 5 coach, I’d only offer money to the Macario types and everyone else would have to show and prove their worthiness. With the demand to play at a Power 5 school, why should a coach take the risk of giving money to a player at the outset instead of waiting a year or two to evaluate the player and minimize financial risk?
Power 5 guarantee seems toothless except in the rarest of circumstances.
Soccerfan2
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Notre Dame is independent for football so that’s why they get listed separately. P5 is Pac-12, ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12. Ivies do not give athletic scholarships. Other conferences can voluntarily offer 4 year guarantee but the P5+Notre Dame signed a voluntary agreement in 2015 and must offer the guarantee, which means they can’t take away scholarships for athletic reasons. Other posters have correctly stated that the school must offer scholarship in the first year.
Thanks for that explanation re: ND. I knew bout the ivies just wasn't sure if they were in on that deal or not.