why are the same 4 people giving you a 'dumb' rating? i appreciate the info and think its helpful. thanks
Recruiting Tips for Parents Just Starting the Process
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MakeAPlay
DA
It goes back a long way, some of it to the old forum. In a nutshell there are some serious haters out there. Good luck to you and your player.
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
NLI is finally here. She is signing tomorrow night at home! It was a shame she was excluded from her HS signing event. Last year's MVP and league champion but can't play this year because of DA. Every other girl on her DA team (different High Schools) was allowed to attend their HS event. Our but hurt Athletic Director decided to exclude her even though she is their only D1 athlete. Oh well.
outside!
DA
Email the AD and mention Title IX and the fact that she is not getting the same opportunities as the athletes at other schools in the school system. CC the Principal and school district superintendent as well. Hell, you may as well CC the mayor, state representative, and governor as well. Can't hurt to try.
When DD attended NLI signing day at Petco Park with her school, there were female rowing, gymnastics and rugby athletes there representing their schools, and those are not high school sports.
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
Already emailed the AD and the Principal. Pointed out that they let DA players attend last year. AD told me that we chose our path and that he will only include athletes that are actively playing during their senior year. We will do a nice event out our house tomorrow night with her teammates and friends. School also has a new policy banning NLI girls from playing in the Powder Puff Football game. She told me last night that she is going to play and she is going to tell them that it does not apply to her since they wouldn't recognize her.
outside!
DA
That is BS. I still think you should elevate it to a level higher than the school. It is asshole DA's like this one that are responsible for discouraging a college scholarship for female athletes. Once again, this does not apply to football players since that sport does not have academies. Mention Title IX. Do you have any friends that are lawyers that can put it on letter head? I regret not pushing harder when we had issues with CIF. And the BS about "she made her choice" is just that, BS.
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
I already expressed my displeasure with what they are doing. I hoped that they would change their minds but I am not going to force them to honor her. In my mind two wrongs don't make a right. It just was a dick move not to recognize her in front of her peers and my understanding was that the coach had nothing to do with the decision. It was all the AD.
MakeAPlay
DA
@Simisoccerfan
Congrats to your player!! She is going to LOVE her coach. He is a straight shooter and is a great communicator and mentor. Your player's high school AD is a prick and will get what is coming to him. Being vindictive when it comes to minors brings tons of bad karma. Mark my words.
Once again congratulations to your player and I applaud you for staying above the fray. The AD will get his comeuppance...
Congrats to your player!! She is going to LOVE her coach. He is a straight shooter and is a great communicator and mentor. Your player's high school AD is a prick and will get what is coming to him. Being vindictive when it comes to minors brings tons of bad karma. Mark my words.
Once again congratulations to your player and I applaud you for staying above the fray. The AD will get his comeuppance...
I know this won't be a popular stance but why do you care about signing at her high school when she is not involved in high school sports? The signing at the high school is about recognizing high school athletes, if you aren't involved in high school sports then who cares about all of that. If I were in your situation I would have something special set up with her DA team and coach. That is what she is loving and most close to from all of your posts. If I had nothing but disdain for high school sports I would not be interested in taking my player to the high school for this special occasion. This isn't a comment about the AD - most high school AD's are jerks so this is nothing new
It is only a Title IX violation if BOYS DA players are also not excluded. Football has nothing to do with it since they play high school so it's not equivalent. It's also not equivalent if the sport isn't offered at the school (such as gymnastics, rugby...).
While it does suck, it seems the AD seems to be making a statement that they want to honor student athletes that go the extra mile and play for their school. FWIW we know quite a few DA players (both boys and girls) who quit DA senior year so they could play for the high school and get the NLI fanfare.
Among other reasons.
outside!
DA
And if she played high school soccer before her senior year?
So a school shouldn't honor a gymnast that gets an athletic scholarship because the gymnast chose not to play a sport offered by the high school? As you say, the gymnast isn't going the extra mile to play for her/his school.
Well put.
Dos Equis
GOLD
First, congratulations. Well done to your daughter. As for the AD's action, it is petty and not in the spirit of what high school sports is supposed to be about. I am glad you appear to be taking the high road, because yelling "Title IX" is not helpful unless this is based on her sex, which this appears not to be.
That being said, I would suggest her club dropped the ball by not having their own signing day for their players. I am a proponent of clubs doing these in the evenings, having some food/snacks, buying the players their college sweatshirt/banner/pen (whatever the budget allows), as not all high schools hold them, and you have spent a lot to get there.
End of the Line
SILVER ELITE
You cannot expect to receive accolades from a HS athletic department when you behave adversely to the HS athletic department. They apparently took a stand against your daughter's support of and participation in an organization that is detrimental to HS and community sports. Sure it's a little petty, but it is more petty for USSF to ban kids from playing HS soccer. Your daughter picked sides with the evil empire, and high schools have every right to react accordingly.
But why is it that I suspect its decision had more to do with you than your daughter? Can you really expect a HS AD to allow someone to participate in the NLI ceremony when their daddy has this to say online about the HS soccer team: "Instead of playing a miserable game in the rain tonight with a team that none of her friends play on anymore, she is in Florida with 15 of her best friends."
You think that kind of attitude doesn't get around? In addition to that little gem, you also made sure to let everyone know your daughter was last year's MVP and is the school's "only DI athlete". If that is the same approach you took with the school, it's no wonder they did not react positively to the argument that she should be allowed to participate because "my daughter is better than all of the losers you're letting attend NLI day". You also went over the AD's head to the principal, then apparently contacted them through email rather than in person, and referred to the AD as "but [sic] hurt", when it is clear who is the one that's butt hurt. From you have said about your handling of this situation, it is no wonder it didn't end well.
If you (or preferably your daughter), had gone to the AD early on and explained that it wasn't what you wanted, that USSF had misrepresented that you would be able to play HS but then threatened to expel her after you signed the contract and left her in an impossible situation, things might have ended differently. Things certainly would have ended differently if your daughter had continued to help the HS team where she could and cheered from the bench during games. Instead, according to your posts, she is too good for everyone at her school and would rather spend her time with her real friends. And that's what she got. When will you ever learn?
But why is it that I suspect its decision had more to do with you than your daughter? Can you really expect a HS AD to allow someone to participate in the NLI ceremony when their daddy has this to say online about the HS soccer team: "Instead of playing a miserable game in the rain tonight with a team that none of her friends play on anymore, she is in Florida with 15 of her best friends."
You think that kind of attitude doesn't get around? In addition to that little gem, you also made sure to let everyone know your daughter was last year's MVP and is the school's "only DI athlete". If that is the same approach you took with the school, it's no wonder they did not react positively to the argument that she should be allowed to participate because "my daughter is better than all of the losers you're letting attend NLI day". You also went over the AD's head to the principal, then apparently contacted them through email rather than in person, and referred to the AD as "but [sic] hurt", when it is clear who is the one that's butt hurt. From you have said about your handling of this situation, it is no wonder it didn't end well.
If you (or preferably your daughter), had gone to the AD early on and explained that it wasn't what you wanted, that USSF had misrepresented that you would be able to play HS but then threatened to expel her after you signed the contract and left her in an impossible situation, things might have ended differently. Things certainly would have ended differently if your daughter had continued to help the HS team where she could and cheered from the bench during games. Instead, according to your posts, she is too good for everyone at her school and would rather spend her time with her real friends. And that's what she got. When will you ever learn?
Dos Equis
GOLD
I am on record in my belief that high school soccer is an important part of this journey, particularly for girls, and disagree with the DA's policy. Ironically, one of the pros of high school soccer for players, having their hard work and accomplishments recognized within the community (like NLI day), has been ridiculed by more than one US Soccer leader as not important.
That being said, I would expect more from the adults in the school district, and do not support them holding the children accountable for the actions of their parents, if that was a factor.
Whether you are able to play or not, your school team is always your team, and kids should endeavor to be a part of it in any way they can, even if the DA says they cannot train and play games. Just as I believe kids should travel and attend their teams games and practices even when they are injured (unless they are rehabbing, unable, or cost is prohibitive), if my child was prevented from playing HS soccer by the DA, I would still expect them to try to be part of the team.
Perhaps that is one policy we should all consider as a response to this unfortunate circumstance.
Go to the school district right away unless it is private. get the media's attention. id do it just to jam it up their arse. It is a big moment for her
End of the Line
SILVER ELITE
I agree with everything you are saying. In the end, the high school's decision is short-sighted and unlikely to deter anyone from playing DA, but it's also hard to blame them for holding the line in opposition to an unfair policy by doing the only thing within their control. When the only steps available to oppose an unfair policy are petty, you often get pettiness.
I heard about a school district that responded to the HS ban by denying the entire club (DA and non-DA teams) access to field space at any school in the district. If you thought that making road kill out of one kid trying to attend a NLI ceremony was harsh, imagine hundreds of U7-U12 kids paying the price for USSF's unfair HS ban.