is HS soccer disappointing to anyone else? I feel most the girls have never played organized soccer. All I see is kick and chase, selfish shitty soccer. Players going after body instead of ball, and the refs are worse than SCDSL on a bad day. We had a ref that needed a walker on wednesday and two that allowed assaults today.
quality of HS soccer compared to club
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Soccer22
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I have actually felt the opposite in our first year of high school soccer. It surprised me based on what I had heard. It may have a lot to do with is said above... some good and some bad. I will say this last year my daughter’s club team turned much more to kick and chase so anything less than that has been refreshing
Refs need to be paid way more money for any soccer game with parents attending. We had one guy at our non-league game and he was not up to speed or the task at hand. I see amazing soccer in the Sunset League. What league and level hs ball for your dd?
Here’s the ref problem- the majority of girls games are played on Tuesday and Thursday evenings. 3 games per school. 2 of them being played at 4:30 pm.
So in an area like South OC where you have dozens of schools within 20 miles of each other, the ref pools gets pretty thin. And for a ref that works a 9-5 full time job- they aren’t likely to make the 4:30 start time.
And then you add in 4 tournaments this coming weekend and high school soccer- what are refs going to choose to work?
So in an area like South OC where you have dozens of schools within 20 miles of each other, the ref pools gets pretty thin. And for a ref that works a 9-5 full time job- they aren’t likely to make the 4:30 start time.
And then you add in 4 tournaments this coming weekend and high school soccer- what are refs going to choose to work?
I heard the pay is not good at all. I don;t know how much refs get paid these days but the abuse they go through is insane. With all the price increases in club I think it's now time to pay good refs good pay. Bad pay=bad refs or just unhappy refs who don't feel appreciated imho. I say refs should strike for more pay. HS has been good so far and not as bad as club. Thanks to all the refs who work hard for us
The weird thing about the 2-man ref system is that the game can be called totally different on one half of the field than the other.
1st half- we were defending the south goal. Ref called things super tight. Lots of fouls called that the ref on the other side wasn’t calling when we were defending the other half.
it’s is what it is. I’m just happy to have referees and good fields.
1st half- we were defending the south goal. Ref called things super tight. Lots of fouls called that the ref on the other side wasn’t calling when we were defending the other half.
it’s is what it is. I’m just happy to have referees and good fields.
the "assaults" was hyperbole but the walker was spot on. he stood on the 18 the whole time.
twoclubpapa
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CIF Southern Section referee pay scale for 2019-20 season:I heard the pay is not good at all. I don;t know how much refs get paid these days but the abuse they go through is insane. With all the price increases in club I think it's now time to pay good refs good pay. Bad pay=bad refs or just unhappy refs who don't feel appreciated imho. I say refs should strike for more pay. HS has been good so far and not as bad as club. Thanks to all the refs who work hard for us
Varsity: 3 officials is $78 for R and $66 for each AR
Varsity: 2 officials is $66 each
Non-varsity: 3 officials is $75 for R and $64 for each AR (I've never seen this in 19 years of HS officiating)
Non-varsity: 2 officials is $59 each
Non-varsity: 1 official is $68 (I've done a handful of 1-ref Frosh/Soph games but our assigner works really hard to try to avoid this.)
The level of play far exceeds anything I expected, after hearing what Club coaches told everyone to expect. Most of the kids on my DD team have played Club-soccer, however, and both coaches, despite not being "Club" coaches, teach the kids the right way to play. Who would have thought that having or not-having a technical license would not necessarily prevent someone from being a good coach??
We have a lot of freshmen so there have been 1-2 games where we were challenged athletically, but most of the teams we have played again (many using Club coaches) have also avoided kickball. I hear it's out there, we're in a good conference and been lucky enough to avoid it. The problem we're running into is that we have a core group of 10-12 girls who get it - we have very little bench strength and have been in trouble when we have run into injuries/the flu.
I was told to expect 2-ref system, but for the most part our games have all included 3 refs. I'm hoping that if we do see a lot of 2-ref that they're willing to cover a lot of ground, and communicate, so that it's evenly called half-to-half. In general both the reffing and quality of play better than expected - and I'm sure I just jinxed that by typing it out here.
We have a lot of freshmen so there have been 1-2 games where we were challenged athletically, but most of the teams we have played again (many using Club coaches) have also avoided kickball. I hear it's out there, we're in a good conference and been lucky enough to avoid it. The problem we're running into is that we have a core group of 10-12 girls who get it - we have very little bench strength and have been in trouble when we have run into injuries/the flu.
I was told to expect 2-ref system, but for the most part our games have all included 3 refs. I'm hoping that if we do see a lot of 2-ref that they're willing to cover a lot of ground, and communicate, so that it's evenly called half-to-half. In general both the reffing and quality of play better than expected - and I'm sure I just jinxed that by typing it out here.
The Outlaw *BANNED*
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Where I grew up, there wasn't any club close by... and most cars didn't have air conditioning, either, but when clubs aren't an option, or DA isn't an option, I'd imagine the competition in HS is pretty good. The best players don't have an alternative. Where we are now, the level is not nearly as good because of both reasons. Most teams I've seen have 2 or 3 players that are obviously (good) club players and others are more (w)rec(k)... or what we used to call 'select' players. The age difference in body structure also impacts things. Some are still young and quick... others are young women. What's even worse is the coaching. I commend them for doing it... but most aren't that savvy. I appreciate my kid's coach because he hasn't tried to undo anything the DD's club coach instilled. He's just like "do what you know how to do" and goes from there. I'm grateful for that.
Eagle33
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South County is only very small area of HS soccer. Most other games at schools in Orange county start at 3:15 pm. You are lucky with games starting at 4:30 pm
Eagle33
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HS soccer programs just like club programs, depend on a leadership and coaching.
That stinks. The 4:30 or 6pm games are hard enough to get to for a working parent. I feel that if High Schools did an occasional "Friday Night Lights" with boys and girls double headers, that you'd get a big turn out to watch the games. You'd get the students, the parents and probably lots of younger players from local clubs out there to watch.
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That's crazy talk! Next thing you know you will want the soccer athletes to have the chance to have a homecoming dance after the game and have the band and the cheerleaders show up. After that you will want the soccer athletes to have the ability to go to college ID camps without fear of reprisal just like the football players do.
Kante
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question for folks. went to a big rivalry high school match a couple of weeks back. both schools are good and one is ranked by tds.
both schools did nothing but long goal kicks with no attempt to play out of the back, and long throw-ins down the side w/ no attempt to play short or into the middle, despite having opportunities to do so.
Am familiar w/ a number of players on each team, and know that they know how to play.
in folks' experience, is this typical of high school soccer these days?
both schools did nothing but long goal kicks with no attempt to play out of the back, and long throw-ins down the side w/ no attempt to play short or into the middle, despite having opportunities to do so.
Am familiar w/ a number of players on each team, and know that they know how to play.
in folks' experience, is this typical of high school soccer these days?
Playing out of the back requires a bit of rehearsal and comfort with your teammates. HS soccer is pretty short term, so not a lot of teams will work on it.
And most hs teams will put in a fast kid over a technical kid. And/or they put the tall kids on the backline to win 50/50 balls and smack it forward.
The 1st pass when trying to build from the back is the easy one. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th are where it takes practice and patience.
And most hs teams will put in a fast kid over a technical kid. And/or they put the tall kids on the backline to win 50/50 balls and smack it forward.
The 1st pass when trying to build from the back is the easy one. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th are where it takes practice and patience.
thanks that is what my OP was about.