whatithink
GOLD
Agree, and maybe it has taught the big clubs that running a league is a lot more difficult that they anticipated. To me, it was always an ego trip from RSL/Rising.
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pitchplease
SILVER ELITE
even Vegas gets it wrong time to time. kids get sick, injured, some are playing up that game, some arent rostering, etc. and for rising/rsl, i highly doubt they care. the biggest moneymakers are your rec leagues. and they have plenty. they will sell something else as the shiny new penny to those displaced players.
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
I'm not sure where you heard what you heard, but an audiologist appointment might be in order. Here is the most recent record for RSL MLSN 2007B:
They are showing plenty of wins this season, including 6-0 against Vancouver 2 weeks ago, and 7-0 against SF Glens. There should be nothing bizarre in any of these ratings, with the reality that the rankings exactly mirror the game data that is assigned to each team entity. Now if the game data is assigned to the wrong team, or isn't accessible - the team entity will match whatever game data is assigned to it of course - the good news is that if anyone cares about whether their team's rating represents reality, it's a few clicks to add/remove game data to make sure it matches games that the team actually played.
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
The showcases and other tournaments are a perfect vehicle to understand the predictivity of the ratings and balance the full data set. There is a strong inherent belief that if two teams don't play each other, a prediction cannot be close to accurate - the data shows that not to be true in youth soccer. Of course if they never play each other, there is never a confirmation of either belief. The measure that matters (and can be verified), is that for all games where the two opposing teams were rated - who won?
pitchplease
SILVER ELITE
isn't that the u17e RSL Utah academy, not the RSL AZ academy
pitchplease
SILVER ELITE
the 2007 rsl arizona is in 9th place, rsl utah is in 5th place, they played vancouver and won 6-0
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
Yep - that tracks. For 2007B, the MLSN teams in AZ go Barca > Del Sol > RSL AZ > Rising. Putting RSL Utah in that makes no sense if they are looking at AZ teams. The #1 team in AZ is now listed as Barca as appropriate. I'm amazed someone at RSL (either AZ or UT) hadn't seen this earlier and fixed it themselves - but it supports the belief that they truly aren't concerned about ratings other than their own standings.
pitchplease
SILVER ELITE
i heard that rsl lost one of their mls coaches, either 08 or 07? idk. seems that their mls standings in az are far from competitive. there has to be some serious discontent on those teams.
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
It looks like that they are having a hard time, though they did win their most recent game weekend before last. (image is for RSL AZ MLS 2007B)
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
whatithink
GOLD
I heard it from a parent on the team who had pulled his kid to play high school as the team sucked ... so yeah, I'll take his anecdote.
pitchplease
SILVER ELITE
i know a few of the parents and players on 08 who also did the same and played high school. this next season going into 2024 -2025 could actually have a lot of movement on the boys side, which usually at this age doesn't happen. should be interesting to track.
pitchplease
SILVER ELITE
my call on Rising getting EA may be better than my bracket this year. they announced it yesterday. Kentucky to win it all! Go Cats!
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
Oof...
The precedent on this already exists. In CA, Strikers was kicked out of ECNL on both the boys and girls side because their top boys teams were in MLS Next. On the girls side, the top teams were in the ECNL but it didn't matter, the ECNL took the full program away because Strikers had MLS Next. The girls were decimated by other clubs and what was left ended up in E64 and the boys got EA for their second teams.
pitchplease
SILVER ELITE
painful at best. Coach Cal makes too much money for yet another year of round 1 early departures to low seeded programs. Their freshman were completely overwhelmed. What did my man Kenny the Jet Smith say: Bring your game not your name! Gotta love March Madness!!!
Sure seems like monopolistic behavior and "Tying" to me.
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
And that's a perfectly reasonable viewpoint, and anyone looking at this from the Strikers perspective would likely feel similarly. Obviously ECNL disagrees, and believes that they have every right to do what they are doing to grow their league and provide the best opportunities for its paying customers.
Phoenix Soccer Dad
BRONZE
On the SAAZ folding rumor -
What exactly were the clubs that left ASA mad about? At the time I heard discontent over field availability, lack of referees, how teams got slotted in leagues (State 1 vs. State 2 vs. open) ... anything else? A few years later, has any of that gotten better? I know a few clubs (CCV & Premier plus others) jumped to SAAZ at the start but came back to ASA. Haven't heard the full reasons for returning, "SAAZ only cares about RSL & Rising" is the general sense I get.
I know plenty of smart / good people in both organizations. Never made sense to me why the big clubs left ASA.
What exactly were the clubs that left ASA mad about? At the time I heard discontent over field availability, lack of referees, how teams got slotted in leagues (State 1 vs. State 2 vs. open) ... anything else? A few years later, has any of that gotten better? I know a few clubs (CCV & Premier plus others) jumped to SAAZ at the start but came back to ASA. Haven't heard the full reasons for returning, "SAAZ only cares about RSL & Rising" is the general sense I get.
I know plenty of smart / good people in both organizations. Never made sense to me why the big clubs left ASA.
whatithink
GOLD
There was a whole thread on this on the old az forum (I think). I always thought they left so they could have more control and they thought they could do a better job. It seems they can't, from what I've experienced, seen & heard. IMV, the state isn't big enough for two leagues.
That is about right. They got mad when you had teams from Rising and Rising north slotted to play games in Maricopa same age group teams from the west valley playing at scottsdale sports complex. The general complaint i heard at that time was ASA just stopped caring. Didn't look at what was best for the players or clubs just what was easiest for them. Refs not showing up. Fields not being secured in a timely manner. They got very complacent and when the clubs complained they were ignored.... for YEARS. This was not something that happened overnight. So they decided to do it on their own. Honestly on the girls side SAAZ has way more talent and teams. Boys not so much. I think it is time to recombine but there will have to be some give and take and both organizations are egotistical and stubborn. The president of ASA is from CCV and they are the only club that came back. Premier, Thunder, Rising, RSL, all still SAAZ. I don't think Del Sol ever left but they are tiny now. Rising and RSL account for more than half of all the teams in the metro area alone.