President Joe Biden

REPORTER: "Does [Biden] support any limits on abortion?"

PSAKI: No

REPORTER: "Does the president support abortion until the moment of birth?"

PSAKI: Yes
 
Article I, Section 8, Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, (the air force is part of the armies of the USA)


Article 1, Section 4
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof;
Those dreaded states rights again...


The constitution is very clear, Army is not the Air Force. The constitution also says Congress can mint coins not dollars. That is why the government does not print dollars and only mints coins. Its a very literal interpretation. You cannot argue that coin and dollars are just monies.

Article 1 Section 4 talks about Election. It does not grant every citizen the right to vote. Remember, when the USA was first founded, it is not a democracy. The founders were infact wary of democracies for it would lead to mob rule. So do not pretend that there is a right to vote in the USA in the constitution. Your quote supports this. Right to vote is not a national right if we were to interpret the constitution literally.
 
Certainly off topic..but really? tanks, nuclear bombs, and submarines. The afghanis must have missed this memo.

Not of topic as we are discussing if the constitution should be taken literally or not.

How do you think our California Militia can take on the US Army without these weapons? Remember, the 2nd amendment purpose is so that our state militia can take on the Federal government if there was ever a need.

Recap. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,.......

It appalls me that nowadays people are thinking of exercising the 2nd amendment in order to hunt....no, it was way bigger than that when it was first thought up.
 
Not of topic as we are discussing if the constitution should be taken literally or not.

How do you think our California Militia can take on the US Army without these weapons? Remember, the 2nd amendment purpose is so that our state militia can take on the Federal government if there was ever a need.

Recap. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,.......

It appalls me that nowadays people are thinking of exercising the 2nd amendment in order to hunt....no, it was way bigger than that when it was first thought up.
Go ahead and be appalled. The 2nd amendment protects YOUR right to possess a firearm without having to be part of a militia. I'd rather not be connected to the government in order to own a firearm. YOU have a right to lawfully defend yourself. It's basic American right, unlike any other in the free world. Do firearms have their drawbacks? of course, criminals will always have access. But please go ahead and be appalled. I'm sure I will not be able to change your mind being as you likely live in CA and me in AZ. My right to possess a lawfully purchased firearm isn't dictated by my state government or the federal government. You are likely happy in the manner CA manages gun ownership...that's your right, it's how you voted.

What CA militia are you talking about? The CA national guard? or the ca state guard? Anyway....the "militias" of aghanistan and vietnam managed to politcially defeat the worlds greatest superpower and military. You don't have to "beat" the US Army, you have to beat the US government.
 
The constitution is very clear, Army is not the Air Force. The constitution also says Congress can mint coins not dollars. That is why the government does not print dollars and only mints coins. Its a very literal interpretation. You cannot argue that coin and dollars are just monies.

Article 1 Section 4 talks about Election. It does not grant every citizen the right to vote. Remember, when the USA was first founded, it is not a democracy. The founders were infact wary of democracies for it would lead to mob rule. So do not pretend that there is a right to vote in the USA in the constitution. Your quote supports this. Right to vote is not a national right if we were to interpret the constitution literally.
Are these examples of what you ponder, contemplate and worry about?
Whatever was left out of the Constitution was left to the states to implement and/or has been addressed through amendments to the Constitution.

The Air Force was once called the Army Air Force and was part of the US Army...

Here's something from wikipoo that you may find educational...or not.

The United States Army Air Forces (USAAF or AAF)[1] was the major land-based aerial warfare service component of the United States Army and de facto aerial warfare service branch of the United States[2] during and immediately after World War II (1941–1945). It was created on 20 June 1941 as successor to the previous United States Army Air Corps and is the direct predecessor of the United States Air Force, today one of the six armed forces of the United States. The AAF was a component of the United States Army, which on 2 March 1942[1] was divided functionally by executive order into three autonomous forces: the Army Ground Forces, the United States Army Services of Supply (which in 1943 became the Army Service Forces), and the Army Air Forces. Each of these forces had a commanding general who reported directly to the Army Chief of Staff.

The AAF succeeded both the Air Corps, which had been the statutory military aviation branch since 1926, and the GHQ Air Force, which had been activated in 1935 to quiet the demands of airmen for an independent Air Force similar to the Royal Air Force which had already been established in the United Kingdom.
In its expansion and conduct of the war, the AAF became more than just an arm of the greater organization. By the end of World War II, the Army Air Forces had become virtually an independent service. By regulation and executive order, it was a subordinate agency of the United States Department of War (as were the Army Ground Forces and the Army Service Forces) tasked only with organizing, training, and equipping combat units, and limited in responsibility to the continental United States.

entire article:
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Not of topic as we are discussing if the constitution should be taken literally or not.

How do you think our California Militia can take on the US Army without these weapons? Remember, the 2nd amendment purpose is so that our state militia can take on the Federal government if there was ever a need.

Recap. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,.......

It appalls me that nowadays people are thinking of exercising the 2nd amendment in order to hunt....no, it was way bigger than that when it was first thought up.
I know many gun owners and they are very aware of their rights and the second amendment.
I know many hunters and can think of none who have mentioned the right to bear arms and hunting in the same sentence,
You seem to be the one talking about if the Constitution should be taken literally....
I'll let SCOTUS, whether I agree or not, determine the constitutionality of federal laws.
 
REPORTER: "Does [Biden] support any limits on abortion?"

PSAKI: No

REPORTER: "Does the president support abortion until the moment of birth?"


PSAKI: Yes
The irony is that Biden has been fundamentally pro-life and is only pro-choice now for political reasons. And Trump vice-versa.
 
See Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment & the ruling itself.

The sky is not falling....
Now you are just being disingenuous. If it was so obvious, then why did it take until 2015 to suddenly recognize that same sex marriage was a covered by the 14th amendment. Obviously, if its that obvious then it was a unanimous decision ... wait, it wasn't - shock horror, it was 5-4. That's a slam dunk!

But its ok, as its the same SCOTUS with the same members ... wait.

You know all this.

The sky isn't falling (for me) but others are concerned, and frankly they are probably right to be, irrespective of what you are pretending to believe. You are far too clued in to not realize this.

FWIW, I'm not an abortion advocate, but as I stated earlier its not black & white and I do not believe I can or should dictate something like this to others.

TBH, the leak is probably a good thing as it may influence (not necessarily change) the final opinion.
 
I have a new conspiracy theory to add to the mix -- the leaker was a lower-level employee of the court who was appalled by the poor level of research and reasoning in Alito's draft and wanted everyone to have a look at it in order to discredit that wing of the bench.
 
"there are plenty of groups who are anti-contraceptives and believe in abstinence only". None of which have the substance, standing or public support to pursue a ban of contraception. If you take a look at the "abstinence in peril" articles, they don't provide any evidence of a group, or a case even in the lower courts that would be a challenge to contraceptives. It's a "chicken little" and fear mongering approach to curry votes for the November election.

Of course, if I was a leftist I would exploit the Supreme Court's decision as well in an attempt to prevent a Red Wave. The SC has handed the far left a gift for November. It will have an impact that benefits the left, but mostly with those that are single issue abortion voters. I suspect at the end of the day inflation will far outweigh abortion rights. Let's be honest, there is really nothing an individual can do to fight inflation, but there is plenty an individual can do to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
There have been plenty of single issue abortion voter for the GOP for years. I read an article some time back which was basically positing that it is more beneficial to the GOP to remain in place than not. We may see, although probably not in Nov.

It will work in the Ds favor, but with redistricting they are probably baked in to lose, plus its mid-terms which they are also baked in to lose. Throw in inflation etc. and its looking very ugly. The economy is doing well but that will be over shadowed by the aforementioned.

The whole far left narrative is lazy. The overwhelming majority of D candidates and Congress people are not far left. If the Ds get a bounce around the country, it won't be the far left getting voted in (generally) but typical D candidates.
 
I have a new conspiracy theory to add to the mix -- the leaker was a lower-level employee of the court who was appalled by the poor level of research and reasoning in Alito's draft and wanted everyone to have a look at it in order to discredit that wing of the bench.
I read a theory that it was leaked by those in favor as the 5-4 majority was in jeopardy.
 
Biden, like many, many others, is opposed to abortion but also opposed to telling others how to conduct their personal lives.
because our leaders can only have so much conviction. I'm sure biden is anti crime but feels good about what's happening in CA walgreens.

Where do you get your material from.
 
The irony is that Biden has been fundamentally pro-life and is only pro-choice now for political reasons. And Trump vice-versa.
It happens all the time. Most reasonable people come around to protecting life after they have kids. Joe believes whatever BO tells him to believe in. I see it like this. Selling aborted organs and having the right to kill your baby up to birth is whacko and just sick and we need laws to protect the individual rights of the baby. Sorry mom, you dont own your kid that is renting space in your womb. I think people think they own their kid. I have friends that are forcing their dd to go to college. Well, not force but bribing them. If they don't go, they won;t receive money, love or acceptance. No car anymore and will be required to pay mom and dad rent if they dont go to college and be like dad. Horrible control we put on kids in this country. No jab, no in person college. The lady who claims to be Native American is a liar and is causing all this hysteria.
 
I guess Joe said being a child of God gives the child of God the basic right to kill the children of God before their born. Welcome to America everyone.
 
There have been plenty of single issue abortion voter for the GOP for years. I read an article some time back which was basically positing that it is more beneficial to the GOP to remain in place than not. We may see, although probably not in Nov.

It will work in the Ds favor, but with redistricting they are probably baked in to lose, plus its mid-terms which they are also baked in to lose. Throw in inflation etc. and its looking very ugly. The economy is doing well but that will be over shadowed by the aforementioned.

The whole far left narrative is lazy. The overwhelming majority of D candidates and Congress people are not far left. If the Ds get a bounce around the country, it won't be the far left getting voted in (generally) but typical D candidates.
I don't disagree with you that there are abortion single issue voters on the GOP side. That's why GOP politicians pander to the pro-life group even though they may be at least partially pro-choice (See Trump as I mentioned).

Most D's and R's are moderate in most respects. I would suspect that you, I, DH, W-H and Husker could sit down and develop a reasonable abortion policy whereas our politicians are too entrenched in pandering to their outspoken base and "winning" to compromise on something that works for most Americans.

The far left mantra is far from lazy, you just have a blind spot to it. The far left may be the minority but they're controlling the narrative of the Dem's. Look at the new Board of Disinformation, the melt down over Twitter, the claims of contraceptive's in peril or worse the claims of LGBTQ's not being able to attend school, the failure to call out Antifa, just buy an Electric car (ie reduce oil production), the dossier and so on. The far right has the "election was stolen" among other things but it doesn't have much traction with the R majority, they barely talk about it on Fox (and ironically the D cry was the 2016 election was stolen because the Russians posted on Facebook). Most R's believe MTG and Gaetz are nut jobs. Though I do strongly disagree with the censuring of McCain and Kinzinger.

I will give credit to the D parents that are finally starting to call out the left's woke bullshit that is negatively impacting their kids.
 
I would suspect that you, I, DH, W-H and Husker could sit down and develop a reasonable abortion policy
Sorry, no thanks. I'm speaking on behalf of ALL the kids with a beating heart wat fly. We only want the Creator and his Son Yeshua to be the one's developing the next abortion policy. Mankind is not in a good place to handle life. We need help asap!!!
 
Sorry, no thanks. I'm speaking on behalf of ALL the kids with a beating heart wat fly. We only want the Creator and his Son Yeshua to be the one's developing the next abortion policy. Mankind is not in a good place to handle life. We need help asap!!!
I respect your opinion (and I appreciate your personal story) and in some ways the pro-life argument is more compelling, but that's not where the majority is at, combined with the fact that half us aren't women. Fortunately, the number of abortions over the years has declined dramatically. Our best weapon against abortion is contraception.
 
I respect your opinion (and I appreciate your personal story) and in some ways the pro-life argument is more compelling, but that's not where the majority is at, combined with the fact that half us aren't women. Fortunately, the number of abortions over the years has declined dramatically. Our best weapon against abortion is contraception.
I understand the majority want the choice to keep or abort the baby. I'm 100% with you on that. I guess you and Hound can come up with a cut off date on when too late is too late? I agree we need to teach contraception on both sides. The girls are left with taking the pill and that stuff is shit. Hormones and more hormones and young women change for the worse. it sucks. Young men have no idea how to put a coat on. The boys are a mess wat fly. Pornhub is not a good teacher either. They have no clue on what their doing. My wife and I dated for almost 16 months with just a kiss at the door until our wedding night. If I can wait, any man can wait....lol. It's called self control. I think one issue we have is telling teens and young people they have to wait until their legally married to have sex. That is a big problem because marriage is insane and very difficult to pull off and not very successful. I have so many ideas because i worked with the youth at church and I also was one. It's not easy being a male or a female. No one is teaching the truth and we have all these religions and all these rules and taboos. We need to get it all out in the open and then educate the youth. Killing a baby that is alive and kicking is not going to fix our country. We need to get the root cause of all this. Thanks for respecting my life bro. I only wanted a chance, just like all the rest. Trust me, souls are trying to come help the planet heal and others don;t want them to be born. It's crazy!!!
 
I don't disagree with you that there are abortion single issue voters on the GOP side. That's why GOP politicians pander to the pro-life group even though they may be at least partially pro-choice (See Trump as I mentioned).

Most D's and R's are moderate in most respects. I would suspect that you, I, DH, W-H and Husker could sit down and develop a reasonable abortion policy whereas our politicians are too entrenched in pandering to their outspoken base and "winning" to compromise on something that works for most Americans.

The far left mantra is far from lazy, you just have a blind spot to it. The far left may be the minority but they're controlling the narrative of the Dem's. Look at the new Board of Disinformation, the melt down over Twitter, the claims of contraceptive's in peril or worse the claims of LGBTQ's not being able to attend school, the failure to call out Antifa, just buy an Electric car (ie reduce oil production), the dossier and so on. The far right has the "election was stolen" among other things but it doesn't have much traction with the R majority, they barely talk about it on Fox (and ironically the D cry was the 2016 election was stolen because the Russians posted on Facebook). Most R's believe MTG and Gaetz are nut jobs. Though I do strongly disagree with the censuring of McCain and Kinzinger.

I will give credit to the D parents that are finally starting to call out the left's woke bullshit that is negatively impacting their kids.
I have no doubt we agree far more than we disagree and could produce common sense policies that are beyond the collective incompetent idiots in DC.

I don't agree on the far left/right piece. There is a very vocal far left segment on the Ds but their numbers are relatively small. The "Freedom Caucus" is a larger block of GOP Congress people and could hold a significant sway in Congress after the mid terms.
 
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