Interesting -- a judgment based on a survey with n = 0.
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Interesting -- a judgment based on a survey with n = 0.
At this point that's the only info I have with which to judge and I was straight forward that I was only offering an opinion based on my experience. As for the facts... I see from your post you don't seem to have any either. I assume thats because like democratic leaders your plan is to be very angry while offering no thoughts or solutions of substance?
The fact is, it's not a ruling yet. It's a draft that got leaked by a leaker. I do think Roe will be overturned. All it comes down to is putting the babies life into the hands of each State and not Plan for Parent in the Hood. No Fed funds. 13 States already have a trigger that will 100% make it illegal to kill your baby. Some States will 100% make it illegal if this draft is the actual ruling. Judges can be pressured to change their vote so let's not get all emotional either way for either side of this debate about life and death, right? Some States will allow you to abort up to 6 months so their is a way but it will cost more and be inconvenient to have to go to another State to abort your baby. These are very tough talks that most don;t want to chat about. However, human life is on the line and some folks need to speak on behalf of the baby in the womb. We have to all work together and find common ground. That is why I came to the forum. To help some you see another side to this moral dilemma. This is a planet that is supposed to produce life, not kill it or use the life so a few can live life fat and high on the hog with all the money, sex and power they need and live long with access to body parts when needed. Those days are over and now we work our way back to the Garden of Eden. No more shame and no more pain and no death and disease. It will take us some time as a collective to get their, but it all starts in our consciousness and it's the right place to start. I love you all. I am so stoked to see the earth shifting to love and caring for others.
I thought Judge Roberts had come out and said the document was authentic?
As for my own views... having grown up in the 90's during the height of the angry Christian right and now in 2020 with the left with the COVID mandates... I personally have grown very tired of others using the excuse 'they are saving lives' to boss me around and take away my liberties.
I will hazard a prediction -- if this ends up being the final result of the Supreme Court, it will become the #1 issue in the November elections. We might see a parallel to the 2020 elections, where t's behavior galvanized the opposition to support what would otherwise have been seen as a weak slate just to get t out of office. That prediction is based on a survey of everyone I know or see on social media, which is more than 0.
But not the final draft. We have no history of Alito's draft writings so we don't know if he has previously cited judges from centuries ago who affirmed executions for witchcraft, or has declared the quiet part out loud by saying that they don't care what the public thinks, so we don't know if the more temperate justices might be able to tone that down a bit. As written, it's a suicide note for the "pro-life" movement.
Judge Roberts said it's authentic draft. Nothing is final until they announce the ruling. I used to be angry in college and debated those who were Pros for abortions. I then went for about 30 years not talking about it or debating the right to do it. I just helped a lot people later in their life who felt horrible and felt guilty for their part in the abortion after they confessed it. I never asked people to fess up either. They went to church and felt the need to talk about what they did and they ALL felt bad and they carried that guilt inside for a long time. I do feel like at a certain point we all need to help save lives. At what age of the baby shall we protect IT? Meaning when does IT have any rights and if IT has rights, who will protect IT? Is six months way too old?
The Supreme Court has confirmed the authenticity of the draft opinion Politico published Monday night and is pursuing an investigation into the leak. But the court is stressing that the opinion, which calls for overturning Roe v. Wade, does not yet equal the law of the land.
"Justices circulate draft opinions internally as a routine and essential part of the Court's confidential deliberative work," it said in a Tuesday press release. "Although the document described in yesterday's reports is authentic, it does not represent a decision by the Court or the final position of any member on the issues in the case."
www.npr.org
"Justices circulate draft opinions internally as a routine and essential part of the Court's confidential deliberative work," it said in a Tuesday press release. "Although the document described in yesterday's reports is authentic, it does not represent a decision by the Court or the final position of any member on the issues in the case."
What even is a draft opinion? Here's how the Supreme Court's process works
The court says it's routine for justices to circulate draft opinions internally. It's part of a larger procedure that involves deliberating, voting and assigning writers.
www.npr.org
I will hazard another prediction.
1. Population of minorities in states where abortion is illegal will rise to the horror of right wing racists. This being that they are historically the group that have least access to birth control. Families with 7 to 8 people will be common like those you see in Latin America where abortion is illegal in many countries.
2. More single parent where girls are left holding the bag as boys deny being the dad. Just like what is seen in many countries where abortion is illegal.
3. Baby drops will be more common where unwanted babies can be dropped off, no questions asked.
The draft, if confirmed, will not outlaw abortion.
It will send the abortion question back to individual state.
California and New York will continue to allow abortions with very few exceptions.
Other states will have more stringent rules regarding abortion, like 6 to 15 week time limits for abortions.
It will send the abortion question back to individual state.
California and New York will continue to allow abortions with very few exceptions.
Other states will have more stringent rules regarding abortion, like 6 to 15 week time limits for abortions.
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Abortion is down 19% since 2010. We all can see baby live inside mommy and that the baby is alive and kicking.
The Supreme Court basically ruled in Plessy v. Ferguson that segregation laws were legal. Creating a racist 'separate but equal' law.
The ruling was in 1896. 58 years later, in 1954 the Supreme Court overturned the ruling in Brown v. Board of Education.
Surely Democrats screamed and howled that segregation -separate but equal - had been legal for 58 years and this would not stand.
The sky was not falling then and it's not falling now.
The ruling was in 1896. 58 years later, in 1954 the Supreme Court overturned the ruling in Brown v. Board of Education.
Surely Democrats screamed and howled that segregation -separate but equal - had been legal for 58 years and this would not stand.
The sky was not falling then and it's not falling now.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg had concerns about the Roe V. Wade ruling for decades...
“Measured motions seem to me right, in the main, for constitutional as well as common law adjudication,” she argued. “Doctrinal limbs too swiftly shaped, experience teaches, may prove unstable. The most prominent example in recent decades is Roe v. Wade.”
Ginsburg noted that Roe struck down far more than the specific Texas criminal abortion statute at issue in the case.
“Suppose the court had stopped there, rightly declaring unconstitutional the most extreme brand of law in the nation, and had not gone on, as the court did in Roe, to fashion a regime blanketing the subject, a set of rules that displaced virtually every state law then in force,”
Supreme Court leak confirms Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s prescient warning about Roe v. Wade (nypost.com)
“Measured motions seem to me right, in the main, for constitutional as well as common law adjudication,” she argued. “Doctrinal limbs too swiftly shaped, experience teaches, may prove unstable. The most prominent example in recent decades is Roe v. Wade.”
Ginsburg noted that Roe struck down far more than the specific Texas criminal abortion statute at issue in the case.
“Suppose the court had stopped there, rightly declaring unconstitutional the most extreme brand of law in the nation, and had not gone on, as the court did in Roe, to fashion a regime blanketing the subject, a set of rules that displaced virtually every state law then in force,”
Supreme Court leak confirms Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s prescient warning about Roe v. Wade (nypost.com)
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How about making birth control free and readily available. How about holding men responsible for their actions, all men.
unlikely this becomes the #1 issue if inflation is still out there
While I agree whole-heartedly with your sentiment, the problem is a lot more complicated than your suggestions. Birth control is available if you want it, its not that hard to track down. Every liquor store has condoms, plenty of Planned Parenthood's around and even the rhythm method is effective (but not foolproof, although far more effective than the Covid vaccine or masks). I would support free birth control. As far as deadbeat dads are concerned, what's your solution? Send them to jail...I could get behind that. I just don't know that we (the royal we) could reach a legal definition of "dead beat".
We could take the Olympic approach and handout condoms for free, but that doesn't mean they will get used. Their is still individual responsibility for birth control regardless of how available and affordable you make birth control.
My guess is with the morning after pill and the creation of male birth control... that the need for abortion services were destined to become less about birth control and more about a means of dealing with unborn children with major birth defects.
So therefore in the long term, while I think it's a beautiful thing if a family decides to raise a child with down syndrome or severe birth defects- 99% of America isn't going to want to play that game. Even in the reddest states, when folks start realizing what lack of abortion services means to them personally they are going start pushing back.
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In some cases health insurance will pay for ED medication but not birth control for women . . . and who’s making those decisions?
Or pay to deliver a baby, but not birth control. The cost/benefit analysis seems to be lacking.