President Joe Biden

espola said:
Many of the Capitol rioters have stated publicly that they went on their rampage because t told them to.
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If someone stated hypothetically that JD Salinger told them to kill Ronald Reagan, JD Salinger could not be convicted of the offense merely for writing the book unless he told the person expressly to kill Ronald Reagan notwithstanding whatever the shooter might have thought JD Salinger said. That's black letter law right there.

espola said:
Are you suggesting that I have lied about you? If so, can you point out any such lies? Or is this another one of your "look it up for yourself" evasions?
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Again don't think they are lies per se because I don't think you have any intent to alter the truth. I think you just get confused, like remember the entire "you said I supported Donald Trump" thing when really I said "your argument is defending him". Still don't get the distinction, do you? Thought so <head pat>
 
Grace T. said:
If someone stated hypothetically that JD Salinger told them to kill Ronald Reagan, JD Salinger could not be convicted of the offense merely for writing the book unless he told the person expressly to kill Ronald Reagan notwithstanding whatever the shooter might have thought JD Salinger said. That's black letter law right there.



Again don't think they are lies per se because I don't think you have any intent to alter the truth. I think you just get confused, like remember the entire "you said I supported Donald Trump" thing when really I said "your argument is defending him". Still don't get the distinction, do you? Thought so <head pat>
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Your Salinger analogy falls apart because J.D. never encouraged violence or promised to pay the legal fees of his supporters if they got rough with protesters at his rallies.

Also - today on Fox News is a report that t admitted some blame for the riot in a meeting with Kevin McCarthy ostensibly called to discuss impeachment defense strategy.
 
espola said:
Your Salinger analogy falls apart because J.D. never encouraged violence or promised to pay the legal fees of his supporters if they got rough with protesters at his rallies.

Also - today on Fox News is a report that t admitted some blame for the riot in a meeting with Kevin McCarthy ostensibly called to discuss impeachment defense strategy.
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I have yet to see any evidence of Trump directly encouraging violence at the Capitol or promising to pay the legal fees of people who invaded the Capitol.

If true, it's a good thing that Trump admitted some blame for the riot. I think he does share some blame for the riot. In particular, I think he was way too slow and too weak in his calls telling them to stop. It doesn't make him guilty of incitement, which is what the Ds legally need to prove, and haven't.

Once again, dear Magoo, you are confusing morality and law....they are 2 separate things.
 
Grace T. said:
I have yet to see any evidence of Trump directly encouraging violence at the Capitol or promising to pay the legal fees of people who invaded the Capitol.

If true, it's a good thing that Trump admitted some blame for the riot. I think he does share some blame for the riot. In particular, I think he was way too slow and too weak in his calls telling them to stop. It doesn't make him guilty of incitement, which is what the Ds legally need to prove, and haven't.

Once again, dear Magoo, you are confusing morality and law....they are 2 separate things.
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If you continue to narrow your objections, you soon won't have any.
 
Grace T. said:
What narrowing. My position has been entirely consistent all along: Ds haven't proven incitement. Once again Magoo you are seeing things that aren't there. Put on dem glasses
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You didn't dispute that t had advocated and supported violence at his rallies. Your response is that that can be ignored because in your "legal" opinion he didn't advocate violence at his last rally. Other people have different opinions about the meaning and intent of his words including those who bragged about their actions during and after the riot.

Whose name is on all these flags and banners?

 
espola said:
You didn't dispute that t had advocated and supported violence at his rallies. Your response is that that can be ignored because in your "legal" opinion he didn't advocate violence at his last rally. Other people have different opinions about the meaning and intent of his words including those who bragged about their actions during and after the riot.

Whose name is on all these flags and banners?

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You are making several fallacies which show you are lost and don't really know what you are talking about:

a. Assuming, arguendo, Trump did advocate and support violence at his rallies, it's really an irrelevant towards the charge of incitement Otherwise, Biden, for the punch in the mouth comment about Trump, could be held legally responsible if someone later took a punch or shot at Trump from here on after (if so, he better hope no one does in the next 4 years or he'll have to resign). To constitute incitement, he would have had to have told his supporters at such rallies to seize the Capitol or something equivalent.
B. You can't hold a political leader responsible for the actions of their fans. Otherwise Kamala needs to be removed for the actions of the Antifa rioters and Bernie for the Scalise shooting.
C. It's irrelevant if Trump's name is on the banner. If they had been holding Magoo banners, you wouldn't be held legally responsible either.
D. There's a difference between morality and law which keeps eluding you. They aren't the same thing.
 
Ahh... so I understand that as expected Pelosi and Schumer managed to totally bungle the Trump impeachment. Seems to me the failure to find any agreement with Mitch to protect the filibuster (which dems don't have the votes to remove anyway) was the missed opportunity to provide any political cover for Republican moderates thinking of voting to impeach Trump. But hey, the progressives would have been upset (like usual)- so I guess no results are sort of par for the course from democratic leadership.

In other news, here in NYC the Gov has decided that the way to fill the empty Time Square office space (and the $2.4 billion drop in property taxes revenue) is to fill the empty offices with subsidized low income housing. Not that I'm against subsidized housing... but yikes.


nypost.com

How Cuomo would undermine his own smart offices-to-housing plan

No one can say for sure, but as few as 12 percent of Manhattan office workers are physically at their desks. There are cities with somewhat higher rates of office return, but the work-from-home wav…
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espola said:
This woman is a t supporter now serving in Congress --

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1354436920965783558
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You guys have just gone to a new low with this post, lol. David Hogg, lol. That's like me posting a video of Laura Loomer. LOL.

Funniest part is that the Congress woman actually makes an excellent point!!!

In other news, a man was arrested and charged by the Biden DOJ for memes spreading disinfo (otherwise known as his opinion and free speech...)

www.newsweek.com

Florida Man Charged With Election Interference by Spreading Disinformation

"There is no place in public discourse for lies and misinformation to defraud citizens of their right to vote," the acting U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York said.
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MARsSPEED said:
You guys have just gone to a new low with this post, lol. David Hogg, lol. That's like me posting a video of Laura Loomer. LOL.

Funniest part is that the Congress woman actually makes an excellent point!!!

In other news, a man was arrested and charged by the Biden DOJ for memes spreading disinfo (otherwise known as his opinion and free speech...)

www.newsweek.com

Florida Man Charged With Election Interference by Spreading Disinformation

"There is no place in public discourse for lies and misinformation to defraud citizens of their right to vote," the acting U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York said.
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What excellent point did she make?
 
Grace T. said:
Yeah I didn't see this coming.....the establishment should tremble.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1354795717433425921
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This Gamestopper thing is getting pretty big both financially and politically.

Just watched "The Big Short" again. Amazing how the so-called experts never see the worst coming....we saw it in 2008, with the initial rising of the pandemic, with the lockdowns, and even with the Capitol seizure where they just miss the ball entirely.
 
Collins and Romney jumping off the covid relief bill bandwagon, angry Biden going for left spending bill with extras and not negotiating. Looks like manchin therefore will have final say and goes through 50+ as Biden’s first reconciliation bill.
 
Grace T. said:
Collins and Romney jumping off the covid relief bill bandwagon, angry Biden going for left spending bill with extras and not negotiating. Looks like manchin therefore will have final say and goes through 50+ as Biden’s first reconciliation bill.
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My guess is this relief bill is going to go no where. Although I haven't seen what the dem's are going to offer to Manchin to bring him into the fold. So we will see?

Judging by how so far the Dem Leadership's plan has amounted to sending Harris out to do radio interviews in WV, as a means of putting pressure on him with local voters... call me underwhelmed. Folks are forgetting how poorly she did in the democratic primary. If she couldn't win over that crowd, hard to imagine her winning over Appalacha just a few months later.

Pelosi while a good manager is feckless politically, and Schumer is running scared from a AOC primary challenge. If Biden wants to save this deal my guess is he'd better start reaching out across the aisle himself here soon and take control of the message. Or sort of like ending up with Harris as VP instead of Klobochar (whose folksy style more likely would have been able to pressure Manchin via radio)... events are going to start spiraling beyond his control.
 
Thanks to all the great moms out there.

I love my adopted mom so much. Check out this cool video. My mom would have to tell me everyday that I was smart & that God had a beautiful wife all planned for me :) Because I stuttered as a young lad, most thought I was a dum, dum and a moron. "Hey Moron, cat got your tongue?" "Hahahahaha" I used to say to myself plus a few other choice words. I would then seek my revenge and destroy the punks who laughed at me on the playground. I bullied back only the way I knew how. God I wish I was able to learn education outside when I was young and away from being trapped in freaking classroom all day.

 
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