President Joe Biden

blam said:
Not of topic as we are discussing if the constitution should be taken literally or not.

How do you think our California Militia can take on the US Army without these weapons? Remember, the 2nd amendment purpose is so that our state militia can take on the Federal government if there was ever a need.

Recap. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,.......

It appalls me that nowadays people are thinking of exercising the 2nd amendment in order to hunt....no, it was way bigger than that when it was first thought up.
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I know many gun owners and they are very aware of their rights and the second amendment.
I know many hunters and can think of none who have mentioned the right to bear arms and hunting in the same sentence,
You seem to be the one talking about if the Constitution should be taken literally....
I'll let SCOTUS, whether I agree or not, determine the constitutionality of federal laws.
 
crush said:
REPORTER: "Does [Biden] support any limits on abortion?"

PSAKI: No

REPORTER: "Does the president support abortion until the moment of birth?"

PSAKI: Yes
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The irony is that Biden has been fundamentally pro-life and is only pro-choice now for political reasons. And Trump vice-versa.
 
Lion Eyes said:
See Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment & the ruling itself.

The sky is not falling....
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Now you are just being disingenuous. If it was so obvious, then why did it take until 2015 to suddenly recognize that same sex marriage was a covered by the 14th amendment. Obviously, if its that obvious then it was a unanimous decision ... wait, it wasn't - shock horror, it was 5-4. That's a slam dunk!

But its ok, as its the same SCOTUS with the same members ... wait.

You know all this.

The sky isn't falling (for me) but others are concerned, and frankly they are probably right to be, irrespective of what you are pretending to believe. You are far too clued in to not realize this.

FWIW, I'm not an abortion advocate, but as I stated earlier its not black & white and I do not believe I can or should dictate something like this to others.

TBH, the leak is probably a good thing as it may influence (not necessarily change) the final opinion.
 
I have a new conspiracy theory to add to the mix -- the leaker was a lower-level employee of the court who was appalled by the poor level of research and reasoning in Alito's draft and wanted everyone to have a look at it in order to discredit that wing of the bench.
 
watfly said:
"there are plenty of groups who are anti-contraceptives and believe in abstinence only". None of which have the substance, standing or public support to pursue a ban of contraception. If you take a look at the "abstinence in peril" articles, they don't provide any evidence of a group, or a case even in the lower courts that would be a challenge to contraceptives. It's a "chicken little" and fear mongering approach to curry votes for the November election.

Of course, if I was a leftist I would exploit the Supreme Court's decision as well in an attempt to prevent a Red Wave. The SC has handed the far left a gift for November. It will have an impact that benefits the left, but mostly with those that are single issue abortion voters. I suspect at the end of the day inflation will far outweigh abortion rights. Let's be honest, there is really nothing an individual can do to fight inflation, but there is plenty an individual can do to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
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There have been plenty of single issue abortion voter for the GOP for years. I read an article some time back which was basically positing that it is more beneficial to the GOP to remain in place than not. We may see, although probably not in Nov.

It will work in the Ds favor, but with redistricting they are probably baked in to lose, plus its mid-terms which they are also baked in to lose. Throw in inflation etc. and its looking very ugly. The economy is doing well but that will be over shadowed by the aforementioned.

The whole far left narrative is lazy. The overwhelming majority of D candidates and Congress people are not far left. If the Ds get a bounce around the country, it won't be the far left getting voted in (generally) but typical D candidates.
 
espola said:
I have a new conspiracy theory to add to the mix -- the leaker was a lower-level employee of the court who was appalled by the poor level of research and reasoning in Alito's draft and wanted everyone to have a look at it in order to discredit that wing of the bench.
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I read a theory that it was leaked by those in favor as the 5-4 majority was in jeopardy.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Biden, like many, many others, is opposed to abortion but also opposed to telling others how to conduct their personal lives.
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because our leaders can only have so much conviction. I'm sure biden is anti crime but feels good about what's happening in CA walgreens.

Where do you get your material from.
 
watfly said:
The irony is that Biden has been fundamentally pro-life and is only pro-choice now for political reasons. And Trump vice-versa.
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It happens all the time. Most reasonable people come around to protecting life after they have kids. Joe believes whatever BO tells him to believe in. I see it like this. Selling aborted organs and having the right to kill your baby up to birth is whacko and just sick and we need laws to protect the individual rights of the baby. Sorry mom, you dont own your kid that is renting space in your womb. I think people think they own their kid. I have friends that are forcing their dd to go to college. Well, not force but bribing them. If they don't go, they won;t receive money, love or acceptance. No car anymore and will be required to pay mom and dad rent if they dont go to college and be like dad. Horrible control we put on kids in this country. No jab, no in person college. The lady who claims to be Native American is a liar and is causing all this hysteria.
 
I guess Joe said being a child of God gives the child of God the basic right to kill the children of God before their born. Welcome to America everyone.
 
whatithink said:
There have been plenty of single issue abortion voter for the GOP for years. I read an article some time back which was basically positing that it is more beneficial to the GOP to remain in place than not. We may see, although probably not in Nov.

It will work in the Ds favor, but with redistricting they are probably baked in to lose, plus its mid-terms which they are also baked in to lose. Throw in inflation etc. and its looking very ugly. The economy is doing well but that will be over shadowed by the aforementioned.

The whole far left narrative is lazy. The overwhelming majority of D candidates and Congress people are not far left. If the Ds get a bounce around the country, it won't be the far left getting voted in (generally) but typical D candidates.
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I don't disagree with you that there are abortion single issue voters on the GOP side. That's why GOP politicians pander to the pro-life group even though they may be at least partially pro-choice (See Trump as I mentioned).

Most D's and R's are moderate in most respects. I would suspect that you, I, DH, W-H and Husker could sit down and develop a reasonable abortion policy whereas our politicians are too entrenched in pandering to their outspoken base and "winning" to compromise on something that works for most Americans.

The far left mantra is far from lazy, you just have a blind spot to it. The far left may be the minority but they're controlling the narrative of the Dem's. Look at the new Board of Disinformation, the melt down over Twitter, the claims of contraceptive's in peril or worse the claims of LGBTQ's not being able to attend school, the failure to call out Antifa, just buy an Electric car (ie reduce oil production), the dossier and so on. The far right has the "election was stolen" among other things but it doesn't have much traction with the R majority, they barely talk about it on Fox (and ironically the D cry was the 2016 election was stolen because the Russians posted on Facebook). Most R's believe MTG and Gaetz are nut jobs. Though I do strongly disagree with the censuring of McCain and Kinzinger.

I will give credit to the D parents that are finally starting to call out the left's woke bullshit that is negatively impacting their kids.
 
watfly said:
I would suspect that you, I, DH, W-H and Husker could sit down and develop a reasonable abortion policy
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Sorry, no thanks. I'm speaking on behalf of ALL the kids with a beating heart wat fly. We only want the Creator and his Son Yeshua to be the one's developing the next abortion policy. Mankind is not in a good place to handle life. We need help asap!!!
 
crush said:
Sorry, no thanks. I'm speaking on behalf of ALL the kids with a beating heart wat fly. We only want the Creator and his Son Yeshua to be the one's developing the next abortion policy. Mankind is not in a good place to handle life. We need help asap!!!
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I respect your opinion (and I appreciate your personal story) and in some ways the pro-life argument is more compelling, but that's not where the majority is at, combined with the fact that half us aren't women. Fortunately, the number of abortions over the years has declined dramatically. Our best weapon against abortion is contraception.
 
watfly said:
I respect your opinion (and I appreciate your personal story) and in some ways the pro-life argument is more compelling, but that's not where the majority is at, combined with the fact that half us aren't women. Fortunately, the number of abortions over the years has declined dramatically. Our best weapon against abortion is contraception.
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I understand the majority want the choice to keep or abort the baby. I'm 100% with you on that. I guess you and Hound can come up with a cut off date on when too late is too late? I agree we need to teach contraception on both sides. The girls are left with taking the pill and that stuff is shit. Hormones and more hormones and young women change for the worse. it sucks. Young men have no idea how to put a coat on. The boys are a mess wat fly. Pornhub is not a good teacher either. They have no clue on what their doing. My wife and I dated for almost 16 months with just a kiss at the door until our wedding night. If I can wait, any man can wait....lol. It's called self control. I think one issue we have is telling teens and young people they have to wait until their legally married to have sex. That is a big problem because marriage is insane and very difficult to pull off and not very successful. I have so many ideas because i worked with the youth at church and I also was one. It's not easy being a male or a female. No one is teaching the truth and we have all these religions and all these rules and taboos. We need to get it all out in the open and then educate the youth. Killing a baby that is alive and kicking is not going to fix our country. We need to get the root cause of all this. Thanks for respecting my life bro. I only wanted a chance, just like all the rest. Trust me, souls are trying to come help the planet heal and others don;t want them to be born. It's crazy!!!
 
watfly said:
I don't disagree with you that there are abortion single issue voters on the GOP side. That's why GOP politicians pander to the pro-life group even though they may be at least partially pro-choice (See Trump as I mentioned).

Most D's and R's are moderate in most respects. I would suspect that you, I, DH, W-H and Husker could sit down and develop a reasonable abortion policy whereas our politicians are too entrenched in pandering to their outspoken base and "winning" to compromise on something that works for most Americans.

The far left mantra is far from lazy, you just have a blind spot to it. The far left may be the minority but they're controlling the narrative of the Dem's. Look at the new Board of Disinformation, the melt down over Twitter, the claims of contraceptive's in peril or worse the claims of LGBTQ's not being able to attend school, the failure to call out Antifa, just buy an Electric car (ie reduce oil production), the dossier and so on. The far right has the "election was stolen" among other things but it doesn't have much traction with the R majority, they barely talk about it on Fox (and ironically the D cry was the 2016 election was stolen because the Russians posted on Facebook). Most R's believe MTG and Gaetz are nut jobs. Though I do strongly disagree with the censuring of McCain and Kinzinger.

I will give credit to the D parents that are finally starting to call out the left's woke bullshit that is negatively impacting their kids.
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I have no doubt we agree far more than we disagree and could produce common sense policies that are beyond the collective incompetent idiots in DC.

I don't agree on the far left/right piece. There is a very vocal far left segment on the Ds but their numbers are relatively small. The "Freedom Caucus" is a larger block of GOP Congress people and could hold a significant sway in Congress after the mid terms.
 
Interesting how much of the press carries water for the D's.

Had we not had RvW we would have long ago finalized this through legislation. You don't hear concerns about abortion in Europe. Why? Because they legislatively solved the problem decades ago.

Most people don't realize the rules in Europe for example. And most of our press are not interested in telling that story.

With that in mind...

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whatithink said:
I have no doubt we agree far more than we disagree and could produce common sense policies that are beyond the collective incompetent idiots in DC.

I don't agree on the far left/right piece. There is a very vocal far left segment on the Ds but their numbers are relatively small. The "Freedom Caucus" is a larger block of GOP Congress people and could hold a significant sway in Congress after the mid terms.
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Yes I think you and I are arguing around the edges.

I'm no fan of the "freedom caucus", but you're speculating at this point. The far left policies have actually been put into practice with no cash bail and defunding the police which has happened in over 20 cities. Add Gascon and Boudin into the equation and the far left has had a significant impact on your party and it's policies. Particularly here in California and especially San Francisco. You can't honestly dispute the fact that SF has been turned into a cesspool as a result, at least in part, of leftist policies.
 
watfly said:
Yes I think you and I are arguing around the edges.

I'm no fan of the "freedom caucus", but you're speculating at this point. The far left policies have actually been put into practice with no cash bail and defunding the police which has happened in over 20 cities. Add Gascon and Boudin into the equation and the far left has had a significant impact on your party and it's policies. Particularly here in California and especially San Francisco. You can't honestly dispute the fact that SF has been turned into a cesspool as a result, at least in part, of leftist policies.
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Support for BLM, idiots like gascon and other similar types in other cities are a major reason why minorities are moving away from the Ds.

Crime spikes have really hurt those who can least afford it...ie minorities.

But as you see in SF and other cities with the smash and grab stuff at places like Walgreens, etc..now your middle of the road D moderates are now thinking WTF is going on with these policies.

Right now the D party is run by a small but vocal group who want to defund the police, are all in on transgenderism, all in on open borders, etc. Those issues do not resonate with the moderate Ds, the independents, or most minorities. As a matter of fact they turn off most people.
 
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