President Joe Biden

crush said:
Ya Grace. Espola is 100% right to ask this question. I have to ask. Are you drinking booz this evening? You seem off tonight, moo.
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If trump had been at mar largo golfing and refusing to answer press questions or address the nation the press would be gunning for his head. But it’s interesting…even cnn and msnbc are being critical of Biden (if they are handling him gently instead of calling this a disaster) is
 
Grace T. said:
Trumpy sucks. Biden sucks too but it happened in Biden’s watch. Biden is ultimately the most responsible.
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T was 100% a no for war in the Middle East Grace. He won in 2016 because he said he would pull our boys and girls home. He lost 2020 election to Joe Biden and it was his job to handle the exit. Joe messed up as President. All his fault. Stop blaming T Grace.
 
Grace T. said:
If trump had been at mar largo golfing and refusing to answer press questions or address the nation the press would be gunning for his head. But it’s interesting…even cnn and msnbc are being critical of Biden (if they are handling him gently instead of calling this a disaster) is
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I understand the hate people have for t. He rubs people wrong on many levels. However, I have to defend him on this 20 year war. He was a big fat no Grace. Who makes money on war Grace? Leave t out of this. T also thinks Joey should resign asap. In fact, my most honest liberal pals are hoping t comes back. All of this is crazy talk I tell them. I do know one thing. No one has been talking about the Baby Bat Dog Rat Spike.
 
crush said:
I understand the hate people have for t. He rubs people wrong on many levels. However, I have to defend him on this 20 year war. He was a big fat no Grace. Who makes money on war Grace? Leave t out of this. T also thinks Joey should resign asap. In fact, my most honest liberal pals are hoping t comes back. All of this is crazy talk I tell them. I do know one thing. No one has been talking about the Baby Bat Dog Rat Spike.
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I never thought we should be nation building in Afghanistan. I blame dubaya for that. But this debacle is no way to leave. Trumpy (and Obama before him) had 4 years to put in place an exit plan. Trumpy negotiated a bad deal, put in place a paper tiger and put in place the plan. He can’t escape responsibility for this. But Biden’s watch Biden’s orders so Biden bears the most responsibility. Trump says he might have handled that differently…don’t know about that…but the fact that Biden did it as bad as trump could’ve is a horrifying accomplishment.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
The tight time frame is driven by a May 1 deadline to withdraw the remaining U.S. troops from Afghanistan, as required under a deal with the Taliban that President Biden inherited from the Trump administration.

www.latimes.com

Leaving Afghanistan under Trump deal could spur chaos, U.S. commanders say

In Afghanistan, Taliban militants could threaten major cities unless President Biden's administration can progress on a peace deal by May, top U.S. commanders said.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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A topic you know so little off other than what you read about. You'll again will drown yourself in partisan politics and seize on the politics of the days. It's unfortunate that you can't see that the sad series of incidents playing out before the world is an indictment on an entire class of people in this country. A class of people that build their wealth on the backs of the few who do their bidding.
 
espola said:
T says he would have done it better. Give us some examples of what he could have done.
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It's not surprising that many know so little. During the negotiations with the Taliban, there were many times that US imposed red lines were crossed that were punished tactically and quickly on the ground to bring the Taliban back to the negotiation table. That was mostly due to leadership at the time on the ground in AF VS trump leadership. Once that leadership was removed from AF,as part of the the current WH's plan for withdrawal, the Taliban no longer were admonished for violating local, provincial, and national stipulations. Give them a inch, they'll take a province. As we have just witnessed...an entire country in less than a week.

Since JAN 2002, every star and tie to walk the halls of the DOD, State Department, and hallowed halls of the combined forces AF in Bagram, AF should be held accountable for the absolute failure in policy. That includes each and every president that presided over our longest war. Biden will go down as the worst of the bunch because of the HOW. We put ourselves in a position of weakness since May. And then we thought that announcing the date of withdrawal as 9-11 was somehow a symbolic win. It's like an strategic communications intern was given the task of picking a date. It was time to leave, no doubt. We should have left in FEB 2002.

The men and women who served know the truth. They've known all along that the AF army couldn't stand alone. It's not a secret, has never been a secret. You've been lied to by every administration, every politician, and every General that has ever stood at a podium to take questions about this fiasco.

There is no way to spin this as orange man's fault. Everyone is seeing right through that attempt, even the MSM that fawns over the current admin. Unfortunately, next week, we will move on to some new shiny thing to froth at the mouth over. And next week, those still on the ground will be trying to finish what shitheads started in the most honorable of ways.. It's unfortunate.
 
what-happened said:
It's not surprising that many know so little. During the negotiations with the Taliban, there were many times that US imposed red lines were crossed that were punished tactically and quickly on the ground to bring the Taliban back to the negotiation table. That was mostly due to leadership at the time on the ground in AF VS trump leadership. Once that leadership was removed from AF,as part of the the current WH's plan for withdrawal, the Taliban no longer were admonished for violating local, provincial, and national stipulations. Give them a inch, they'll take a province. As we have just witnessed...an entire country in less than a week.

Since JAN 2002, every star and tie to walk the halls of the DOD, State Department, and hallowed halls of the combined forces AF in Bagram, AF should be held accountable for the absolute failure in policy. That includes each and every president that presided over our longest war. Biden will go down as the worst of the bunch because of the HOW. We put ourselves in a position of weakness since May. And then we thought that announcing the date of withdrawal as 9-11 was somehow a symbolic win. It's like an strategic communications intern was given the task of picking a date. It was time to leave, no doubt. We should have left in FEB 2002.

The men and women who served know the truth. They've known all along that the AF army couldn't stand alone. It's not a secret, has never been a secret. You've been lied to by every administration, every politician, and every General that has ever stood at a podium to take questions about this fiasco.

There is no way to spin this as orange man's fault. Everyone is seeing right through that attempt, even the MSM that fawns over the current admin. Unfortunately, next week, we will move on to some new shiny thing to froth at the mouth over. And next week, those still on the ground will be trying to finish what shitheads started in the most honorable of ways.. It's unfortunate.
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At the time US forces were ramping up in Afghanistan, it was claimed to be an effort to find the terrorists responsible for 9/11. At the same time, it was apparent that Afghanistan was only their hideout, and that their political philosophy had a broader foundation - let's face it, there is no way a nation whose economy is based on 9th-century agriculture and drug smuggling could have pulled that off. Follow the money and it leads back to Suadi Arabia and the Gulf States -- money we throw at them to soothe our hunger for oil.
 
Grace T. said:
Trumpy sucks. Biden sucks too but it happened in Biden’s watch. Biden is ultimately the most responsible.
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Who started the exit and made a deal with the Taliban? Not happy with things are going myself. We once again leave our allies exposed. Yet another seed for future terrorist excuses to hate the West and US.
 
espola said:
At the time US forces were ramping up in Afghanistan, it was claimed to be an effort to find the terrorists responsible for 9/11. At the same time, it was apparent that Afghanistan was only their hideout, and that their political philosophy had a broader foundation - let's face it, there is no way a nation whose economy is based on 9th-century agriculture and drug smuggling could have pulled that off. Follow the money and it leads back to Suadi Arabia and the Gulf States -- money we throw at them to soothe our hunger for oil.
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Idk. Have the Saudi's been able to win that war with rebels in Yaman? I'd think the idea of a bunch of harden Afgani terrorists being freed up to go fight abroad would scare the heck out of them right about now.
 
Grace T. said:
I never thought we should be nation building in Afghanistan. I blame dubaya for that. But this debacle is no way to leave. Trumpy (and Obama before him) had 4 years to put in place an exit plan. Trumpy negotiated a bad deal, put in place a paper tiger and put in place the plan. He can’t escape responsibility for this. But Biden’s watch Biden’s orders so Biden bears the most responsibility. Trump says he might have handled that differently…don’t know about that…but the fact that Biden did it as bad as trump could’ve is a horrifying accomplishment.
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Everyone wanted to get us out of Afghanistan... the question was always how. If nothing else it would have been nice for Biden to negotiate a human rights accord protecting afghani women on the way out; or at least had a plan to help expatriate our allies before surrendering the country.
 
tenacious said:
Everyone wanted to get us out of Afghanistan... the question was always how. If nothing else it would have been nice for Biden to negotiate a human rights accord protecting afghani women on the way out; or at least had a plan to help expatriate our allies before surrendering the country.
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Getting our friends in Afghanistan out early would seem like an obvious necessity.

Negotiating with the Taliban for anything, including a guarantee of rights for women, is a pointless gesture. A better idea would have been to round up a few thousand of their leaders and then give the puppet government we put in place the key to the prison.

Oh...wait...
 
espola said:
Getting our friends in Afghanistan out early would seem like an obvious necessity.

Negotiating with the Taliban for anything, including a guarantee of rights for women, is a pointless gesture. A better idea would have been to round up a few thousand of their leaders and then give the puppet government we put in place the key to the prison.

Oh...wait...
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Well... that what was tried. So fair point.
Another fair point, even Trump was smart enough to not pick up and run in the middle of the night.
 
what-happened said:
It's not surprising that many know so little. During the negotiations with the Taliban, there were many times that US imposed red lines were crossed that were punished tactically and quickly on the ground to bring the Taliban back to the negotiation table. That was mostly due to leadership at the time on the ground in AF VS trump leadership. Once that leadership was removed from AF,as part of the the current WH's plan for withdrawal, the Taliban no longer were admonished for violating local, provincial, and national stipulations. Give them a inch, they'll take a province. As we have just witnessed...an entire country in less than a week.

Since JAN 2002, every star and tie to walk the halls of the DOD, State Department, and hallowed halls of the combined forces AF in Bagram, AF should be held accountable for the absolute failure in policy. That includes each and every president that presided over our longest war. Biden will go down as the worst of the bunch because of the HOW. We put ourselves in a position of weakness since May. And then we thought that announcing the date of withdrawal as 9-11 was somehow a symbolic win. It's like an strategic communications intern was given the task of picking a date. It was time to leave, no doubt. We should have left in FEB 2002.

The men and women who served know the truth. They've known all along that the AF army couldn't stand alone. It's not a secret, has never been a secret. You've been lied to by every administration, every politician, and every General that has ever stood at a podium to take questions about this fiasco.

There is no way to spin this as orange man's fault. Everyone is seeing right through that attempt, even the MSM that fawns over the current admin. Unfortunately, next week, we will move on to some new shiny thing to froth at the mouth over. And next week, those still on the ground will be trying to finish what shitheads started in the most honorable of ways.. It's unfortunate.
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Unless the next shiny thing is another disaster, im not sure we move onto the next thing. Biden has been trending downward for things within and without his control: the covid resurgence and npi backtrack (which like trump before him is largely not in his control), inflation, the border, the condition of the cities, the fight over crt/diversity (don’t care what you call it). It seems like this is the bottom dropping out when even the msm that’s been shielding you turns critical. I don’t think he drops to a 30s approval rating (the parties have become too immune to the stupid stuff their leadership does) but we might see trumpian level approval numbers from here
 
tenacious said:
Everyone wanted to get us out of Afghanistan... the question was always how. If nothing else it would have been nice for Biden to negotiate a human rights accord protecting afghani women on the way out; or at least had a plan to help expatriate our allies before surrendering the country.
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Bush did not want to get us out of Afghanistan (at least not initially). He wanted to nation build. If I were to rank blame for what happened among the presidents (though they all share responsibility): Biden (for how it was done) bush (for starting it) trump Obama.
 
ALL the world leaders are blaming Biden 100%. T ran in 2016 to get everyone out. Not easy to do. The left owns this and they need to fix this. Going on vacation and not talking to the folks is scary stuff. I know what the truth is but none of you are ready. Keep fighting each other and blaming others for all your problems. WTF folks.
 
One note about the photo of Biden with his advisors. It shows a 3 hour time difference between London and Moscow. There is currently a 2 hour time difference. Either camp David doesnt adjust its clock or the White House put out a stock photo (in which case what exactly is going on with the president right now).
 
I have a very reliable source that said JB was instructed by the ____________________ government to hand over the poppy business. Yes, the same country that sent us a Bat virus, mixed with Human, Dog and Rat Tissue. This country tells JB what to do and he obeys, just like so many of you sheep, baaaaaaaahahaaaaaa! No more jab sounds about right about now. Please everyone, be careful what you inject in your arm. I know what the last 20 years was all about really and when some of you get your head out of sand, I'll fill you in little Einsteins. Some you "smart" educated folk are dumb as an ox but you think your smart, which makes me laugh now in my brain. I used to take all this personal but after the last 18 months, I have empathy for all of you.

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