Too hot
Prayers to the family
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Eagle33
PREMIER
I don't see any issue practicing in the heat when done properly. No strenuous exercises, water breaks, hopefully shade availability. It has to be on the grass though, not artificial turf.
Eagle, 103 at 6pm is a no show for my dd today. My dd would call in sick. I will admit when my goat was 11, i would have had her there because............I feel horrible for admitting the errors of my way but one needs to look in the mirror and get real to get real change.
Eagle33
PREMIER
its completely your choice as a parent. Hot weather comes with a perk leaving in South Cali. Like I said, no problem if done correctly.
I hear Fantasy Land is open again.
whatithink
GOLD
Depends on the humidity, i.e. its all about the heat index - temp + humidity.
whatithink
GOLD
For example, to a point I made earlier about the AZ soccer assoc scheduling games for this coming Saturday afternoon. The forecast is for a high of 105, the forecast humidity for Maricopa where the games are being played is 34%, so according to the above chart, the heat index forecast is 116 ... that's very sensible of the AZ soccer assoc, who could possibly have predicted that, in AZ, in summer, in monsoon season
There were always trainers at our DA games.
Certainly unusual times for AZ and yes, we normally shut down for JUN/JUL, and come back in early august, depending on club and league you play in. Still hot in August and Sep, sometimes hotter than JUN/JUL. Fields are an issue but looks like things are being worked out. The younger age groups get shafted by having to start at 4-430. Other sports follow a similar path, some starting earlier, all outside.
There are play in games and and organized scrimmages scheduled for this weekend. On Saturday there are 19 games scheduled between 11 am and 4 pm. There are 12 games scheduled for Sunday between 11 and 4. The high SAT will be 105, the high SUN will be 105. Applying the US Soccer guidelines and depending on humidity that day, they will be right on the edge of having to cancel. Will they cancel? Highly unlikely.
For what it's worth, full contact has been happening for quite some time, even earlier on - depending on club interpretations of the return to play guidelines. With that said, Club staffs seem to be taking care of athletes and doing the right thing. My guess would be that years of training in the heat make them more aware. Due to unfortunate recent events, now they are hyper aware. That is evident on the recent reminder of heat stress guidance and mitigation that just went out.
Hopefully this weekend goes off without a hitch, given the backdrop it's up against.
whatithink
GOLD
The heat index for both days is in the danger zone, 119 & 113 (highs), based on the forecast. Clubs have been doing full contact outside of ASA guidelines for some teams, but I'm fine with that TBH. I can't see anything getting cancelled either and the AZ kids are pretty used to it. They'll probably take water breaks every 20 mins too and hopefully the coaches constantly rotate.
What heat index number do you use for 4x4 water breaks, and what index do you use for cancelling a practice/game?
whatithink
GOLD
Kids should be constantly hydrating this time of year in particular, as they are practicing 2-4 times a week and scrimmages & games are starting. For practice & games, they should have water AND an electrolyte drink (to sip at breaks and finish after practice/game). They can cope if properly prepared and if the club/coaches give regular breaks in practice and every 20 mins in scrimmages/games.
I've seen plenty of practices get cancelled over the years when it moves into the extreme danger area. I don't recall ever having a game cancelled, but then they only really start towards the end of Aug and I've never seen them scheduled for the afternoon at this time of year.
All AZ related obv.
Here are the guidelines from US Soccer. Pages 3-5 lay out criteria and action. Decision making criteria value is driven by where you live (Category 1-3) and other factors - temps, humidity, etc. AZ is mainly considered category 3 (most of the soccer is played in category 3 areas, whereas CA is in all 3 categories,lending itself to different decisions based on where you live.
I think most of us are in agreement that 111 at noon time is too hot(hopefully all of us). That was probably a heat index of 125-130. I had asked the question about 100 at 5:30. This evening it will be at 96 at the start of training, 90 when she is done. On grass. Warm, but she wants to train.
Keepermom2
GOLD
Even determining heat index can be polarizing! ha...here is another chart that includes humidity below 40%. Places like Vegas, Phoenix and the deserts of CA need the 40 and below to accurately calculate their heat index. The dew point can also be another factor and can be swapped for humidity to determine heat index. All I know is that right now in the desert southwest, it's hot. Dew point, humidity, whatever - it's hot.
Heat Index
www.weather.gov
jpmorris123
BRONZE
In addition to humidity, also need to add direct exposure to sun to calculate the full heat index. Temperature is always ambient (shade). Direct exposure to sun adds anywhere from 10 to 15 degrees to underlying temperature depending on the time of day/season).
Soccermaverick
SILVER ELITE
Big issue here....people are forgetting these are children not adults... Is there an investigation being conducted?
An article about kids and temperatures :
Children are more sensitive to heat and cold stress than adults. Heat tolerance is directly affected by body size. Children are smaller and weigh less, but because they have a larger relative surface area than adults, their ability to tolerate either heat or cold stress is affected. During exercise, most of the energy released from the body appears as heat. The more we exercise, the more heat we build. And the more heat we build, the more we have to get rid of it. The evaporation of sweat is the most effective way to get rid of body heat. Pound for pound, children build up more heat than adults. For example, if an adult and a child are walking, the child is accumulating more heat. To make things even harder, children do not sweat as much as adults. Paradoxically, in cold conditions, children lose heat faster than adults and are more vulnerable to over-cooling. Children are more susceptible to cold stress because of their relatively large surface-to-mass ratio. Children also lose heat rapidly in cool water. The smaller the child, the faster the heat loss. Children also take longer to acclimatize to changes in hot and cold weather. An adult body will acclimatize to a heat wave in about a week to 10 days; a child’s body will take about 10 to 14 days. Adults should be aware that while they maybe coping well with heat or cold, the child may not yet be acclimatized or may not have the same tolerance.
There must be accountability or every kid is in danger!
An article about kids and temperatures :
Children are more sensitive to heat and cold stress than adults. Heat tolerance is directly affected by body size. Children are smaller and weigh less, but because they have a larger relative surface area than adults, their ability to tolerate either heat or cold stress is affected. During exercise, most of the energy released from the body appears as heat. The more we exercise, the more heat we build. And the more heat we build, the more we have to get rid of it. The evaporation of sweat is the most effective way to get rid of body heat. Pound for pound, children build up more heat than adults. For example, if an adult and a child are walking, the child is accumulating more heat. To make things even harder, children do not sweat as much as adults. Paradoxically, in cold conditions, children lose heat faster than adults and are more vulnerable to over-cooling. Children are more susceptible to cold stress because of their relatively large surface-to-mass ratio. Children also lose heat rapidly in cool water. The smaller the child, the faster the heat loss. Children also take longer to acclimatize to changes in hot and cold weather. An adult body will acclimatize to a heat wave in about a week to 10 days; a child’s body will take about 10 to 14 days. Adults should be aware that while they maybe coping well with heat or cold, the child may not yet be acclimatized or may not have the same tolerance.
There must be accountability or every kid is in danger!
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