Ponderable

Luckily for America and it's allies, that day will be much further down the road because of the Iran deal.
You are one blissful lad....


North Korea has conducted nuclear tests before, but the nuclear test the country carried out Wednesday could be dramatically different. According to Pyongyang, the device tested was a hydrogen bomb – a type of device that produces a considerably more powerful blast than the previous devices tested. South Korean officials and a number of nuclear experts have cast doubt on the claim, pointing out that the yield recorded in the test seemed to be similar to the previous tests conducted by North Korea.

Despite the doubts, the unexpected nuclear test is yet another reminder of how the U.S.-led nuclear deal with North Korea, brokered under President Bill Clinton in 1994, failed. Isolated, embattled North Korea is the only country to test nuclear weapons in almost 20 years, and it shows no signs of slowing down. Given the controversy surrounding a recent nuclear agreement reached with Iran, it's worth considering exactly how the deal to stop its nuclear ambitions fell apart.
entire article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...w-death-of-the-nuclear-deal-with-north-korea/
 
We've covered this topic Lion, did you forget already? The consensus was the deal with N. Korea, failed in some respects, but succeeded in others. These "deals" are not meant to prevent a sovereign nation from ever getting nukes. They usually have various purposes, like transparency, verification, and agreements not to do this or that. We are not world Police Lion, we don't decide who does what.


"Although the agreement had largely broken down, North Korea did not restart work on the two production size nuclear power plants that were frozen under the agreement. These plants could potentially have produced enough weapons-grade plutonium to produce several nuclear weapons per year. The Agreed Framework was successful in freezing North Korean plutonium production in Yongbyon plutonium complex for eight years From 1994 to December 2002.[43]

Discussions are taking place through the Six-party talks about a replacement agreement, reaching a preliminary accord on September 19, 2005. The accord makes no mention of the U.S. contention that North Korea has a secret, underground enriched uranium program. However the new accord would require North Korea to dismantle all nuclear facilities, not just specific plants as in the Agreed Framework.[44] This has been followed up by the February 13, 2007 agreement which has largely adopted this September 19 statement. Its implementation has been successful so far, with only a slight delay being recorded due to an issue of funds being unfrozen by the US actually reaching North Korea.

On May 31, 2006, KEDO decided to terminate the LWR construction project.[45]"
 
Given the controversy surrounding a recent nuclear agreement reached with Iran, it's worth considering exactly how the deal to stop its nuclear ambitions fell apart.
entire article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...w-death-of-the-nuclear-deal-with-north-korea/

Read the link I posted, no where does it say, "you will not ever make a nuclear bomb". N. Korea is going to be a belligerent asshole nation, we can't stop them, we can only try and work with them in a way that makes us feel a little safer.
 
Apparently today's nuclear test violates UN guidelines, which they repeatedly ignore and why they are heavily sanctioned.
 
Read the link I posted, no where does it say, "you will not ever make a nuclear bomb". N. Korea is going to be a belligerent asshole nation, we can't stop them, we can only try and work with them in a way that makes us feel a little safer.
Iran is going to be a belligerent asshole nation, we can't stop them, we can only give them a couple billion in ransom and hope they don't actually attack one of our Navy vessels.
 
Apparently today's nuclear test violates UN guidelines, which they repeatedly ignore and why they are heavily sanctioned.
Soon we will be saying the same thing about Iran.
Iran got their money returned with interest and they are free to be the same belligerent assholes they've been for decades.
They still support terrorism all over the globe...we have a piece of paper that is unenforceable.
Blissful indeed.
 
Soon we will be saying the same thing about Iran.

You don't know that for a fact. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKCN11E2CU

"Iran has kept to a nuclear deal it agreed with six world powers last year limiting its stockpiles of substances that could be used to make atomic weapons, a report by the U.N. nuclear agency found."

You focus solely on what Iran got from the deal and ignore what the world got. We're in a better place than we were before the deal and what is the alternative? What is Lion's plan to stop Iran from gaining nuclear capability? Military intervention? Continued sanctions that were only being observed by some nations, not all?
 
You blame the Clinton deal for giving N. Korea the bomb, that's flawed thinking Lion, it was going to happen. All we could do, short of military intervention was to try and gain some control of the process. That's all we can do with Iran too.
 
Iran is going to be a belligerent asshole nation, we can't stop them, we can only give them a couple billion in ransom and hope they don't actually attack one of our Navy vessels.

Iranian Navy --

http://thehill.com/sites/default/fi...nianspeedboats01122016getty.jpg?itok=nYAmXj_7

They have a tactical advantage because they only have to be away from their base for a few hours, and strategic advantage because their boats are are so much cheaper than ours. So far, all of the harassment of US Navy vessels has occurred in international waters, where both sides have a right to be, subject to established rules of navigation. I think they are hoping we blast one of those cockleshells out of the water, which would be a military victory and political loss.
 
We're in a better place than we were before the deal and what is the alternative?
"You don't know that for a fact" Wez

The idea of a deal is great. I hope it works. I'll bet you it does not.
Giving terrorist money is not a good idea. Paying what amounts to ransom is worse.
This deal walks hand in hand with support of the Arab Spring, redlines in the sand, backing of those who over threw Gadhafi, the reset button with Russia, not reaching a Status of Forces with Iraq, considering ISIS a JV team....I guess all we can say is 'what difference does it make'?

PS. I not really worried about the Iranian Navy......
 
"You don't know that for a fact" Wez

The idea of a deal is great. I hope it works. I'll bet you it does not.
Giving terrorist money is not a good idea. Paying what amounts to ransom is worse.
This deal walks hand in hand with support of the Arab Spring, redlines in the sand, backing of those who over threw Gadhafi, the reset button with Russia, not reaching a Status of Forces with Iraq, considering ISIS a JV team....I guess all we can say is 'what difference does it make'?

PS. I not really worried about the Iranian Navy......
It was their money.
 
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