Ponderable

[Andy Dukes]

What intentions do I have for the facts that I did not produce?

I ask what you think my issue is and you respond by asking me to read your mind.

 

[Andy Dukes]

That you, like Comey, choose not to act on what you see.

But I have acted on what I saw and read.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Ignorantia juris non excusat

 

[Bruddah IZ]

I ask what you thik my issue is and you respond by asking me to read your mind.

You don't have to read my mind if you stop ignoring the facts that Comey presented and the applicable laws given the facts.

Ignorantia juris non excusat

 

[Andy Dukes]

Ignorantia juris non excusat

Again, you have made your opinion quite clear.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

But I have acted on what I saw and read.

You can take comfort in knowing that you're not alone.

 

[Andy Dukes]

You don't have to read my mind if you stop ignoring the facts that Comey presented and the applicable laws given the facts.

Ignorantia juris non excusat

But I didn't ignore the facts that Comey presented in his testimony and in his statement. I also did not ignore his opinion.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Again, you have made your opinion quite clear.

My opinion is not as important as Comey's

 

[Bruddah IZ]

But I didn't ignore the facts that Comey presented in his testimony and in his statement. I also did not ignore his opinion.

And the applicable laws?

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Again, you have made your opinion quite clear.

My opinion is nothing compared to the law.

 

[Andy Dukes]

And the applicable laws?

Which applicable law did Comey say she ran afoul of? I do not remember him agreeing that she did.

 

[Andy Dukes]

My opinion is not as important as Comey's

On that we completely agree.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Which applicable law did Comey say she ran afoul of? I do not remember him agreeing that she did.

Neither do I. I am not surprised that you forgot the law though.

violating 18 U.S.C. 793(f), which states:

Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed . . . Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(emphasis added)

In criminal law, unless strict liability applies, a statute can require four distinct mental states (“mens rea”) to commit a crime: (i) purpose, (ii) knowledge, (iii) recklessness, and (iv) criminal/gross negligence.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

On that we completely agree.

Oh good. So that just leaves the facts and the law.

 

[Andy Dukes]

Neither do I. I am not surprised that you forgot the law though.

violating 18 U.S.C. 793(f), which states:

Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed . . . Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(emphasis added)

In criminal law, unless strict liability applies, a statute can require four distinct mental states (“mens rea”) to commit a crime: (i) purpose, (ii) knowledge, (iii) recklessness, and (iv) criminal/gross negligence.

I was not commenting on the law in your opinion she broke. I was commenting on Comey.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Which applicable law did Comey say she ran afoul of? I do not remember him agreeing that she did.

You suppose Comey was ignorant of the law?:

violating 18 U.S.C. 793(f), which states:

Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed . . . Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(emphasis added)

In criminal law, unless strict liability applies, a statute can require four distinct mental states (“mens rea”) to commit a crime: (i) purpose, (ii) knowledge, (iii) recklessness, and (iv) criminal/gross negligence.

 

[Andy Dukes]

Oh good. So that just leaves the facts and the law.

And the opinion of Comey and his agents.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

I was not commenting on the law in your opinion she broke. I was commenting on Comey.

I thought we agreed my opinion didn't matter?

 

[Andy Dukes]

You suppose Comey was ignorant of the law?:

.

I do not think Director Comey is ignorant of the law. Do you?

 

[Bruddah IZ]

And the opinion of Comey and his agents.

Sure. I don't want to leave their opinions out of this at all!! It's important for us to see where laws may be irrelevant or not applicable.