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Wez said:
Nice non-answer, is Trump a racist?
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I heard a series of interviews on the radio yesterday with several Trump supporters, many of them people approaching my age. They weren't interested in discussing anything Trump has said or done, they said they would support him no matter what. It's not surprising that there are examples of the same willful ignorance around here.
 
Wez said:
Nice non-answer, is Trump a racist?
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Depends on who you ask.
I already told you I dont think Trump, Dutch, Bill, Hill, or Biden are racist.
The DNC is all in on the republican racism card, as expected, and you are following the script to the letter.
Ive given you a fairly comprehensive report on how silly I see the race issue today.
Its a distraction,..a sleight of hand, if you will.

Your next move is to post something that "proves" Trump is racist, while at the same time saving the planet from global warming.
 
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Bernie Sanders said:
Its the "go to" DNC diversion.
Trump isnt racist. Nobody ever called him racist until he became the R candidate.
The Gipper wasnt a racist.
Most people arent, yet the left sees them everywhere. Hmmm.
This is why, I, Bernie, am going full metal conservative as of today.
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A memory refresher for my little DNC water hauler.
 
If it wasnt for the blabbermouth wasserman shultz, I would be running on my old socialist/marxist platform for President.
After seeing what she and Hillary did to me, Im joining team Trump.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
The DNC is all in on the republican racism card, as expected, and you are following the script to the letter.
Your next move is to post something that "proves" Trump is racist.
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Why bother, you won't admit he is because then you would be voting for a bigot, Sociopath, pathological liar and a racist.

I will anyway though...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...mp-jogger-rape-case-new-york?CMP=share_btn_fb
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8441/i-know-trumps-new-campaign-chairman-steve-bannon-ben-shapiro
http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/04/28/breitbartcom-becoming-media-arm-alt-right
http://www.npr.org/2015/09/03/43719...-groups-found-their-candidate-in-donald-trump

No amount of evidence will be enough, as long as it comes from the left and very few on the right will call a spade a spade.
 
espola said:
I heard a series of interviews on the radio yesterday with several Trump supporters, many of them people approaching my age. They weren't interested in discussing anything Trump has said or done, they said they would support him no matter what. It's not surprising that there are examples of the same willful ignorance around here.
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Yea, NPR, where the lady literally said "Trump could do anything and I would still vote for him. I don't care if he shoots somebody right in front of me."....she said exactly that. Gotta love America!
 
Bernie Sanders said:
The two things you mentioned dont make sense together.
If someone has an unregistered firearm, and gets twenty years for it, how does that give them more understanding of how their crime impacts their life?
Keep it simple.
Lion has the perfect solution for gun violence.
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It is okay to disagree. We want to have our candy and soda but not the disease that goes with it.
 
Wez said:
Why bother, you won't admit he is because then you would be voting for a bigot, Sociopath, pathological liar and a racist.

I will anyway though...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...mp-jogger-rape-case-new-york?CMP=share_btn_fb
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8441/i-know-trumps-new-campaign-chairman-steve-bannon-ben-shapiro
http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/04/28/breitbartcom-becoming-media-arm-alt-right
http://www.npr.org/2015/09/03/43719...-groups-found-their-candidate-in-donald-trump

No amount of evidence will be enough, as long as it comes from the left and very few on the right will call a spade a spade.
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Who are you addressing here? "Bernie Sanders" is obviously an inconsistent fake caricature whose author sometimes can't help falling back to his own personal opinions, something like the fake redneck plumber that used to post in the old forum.
 
Wez said:
Why bother, you won't admit he is because then you would be voting for a bigot, Sociopath, pathological liar and a racist.

I will anyway though...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...mp-jogger-rape-case-new-york?CMP=share_btn_fb
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8441/i-know-trumps-new-campaign-chairman-steve-bannon-ben-shapiro
http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/04/28/breitbartcom-becoming-media-arm-alt-right
http://www.npr.org/2015/09/03/43719...-groups-found-their-candidate-in-donald-trump

No amount of evidence will be enough, as long as it comes from the left and very few on the right will call a spade a spade.
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Right on que.
Too easy, my friend.
Now it would be my turn to post all of Bill, Hill, and Biden's racist proofs.
Nope.
Instead, Ill post this little ditty for our friend Colin "I wont stand" kapernick. (and for my little old antagonist, espola)

 
Bernie Sanders said:
The biggest difference between a for profit, and non-profit business, is the non-profit doesnt pay a good percentage of their "non"-profits in taxes.
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And? A taxable corp would not pay taxes if it spent the money pretax and did not retain earnings. Heck, it is much easier for a taxable corp to get tax credits. Just ask GE or Boeing. or even Mr. Trump.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
What if I wrote this:

"For me as a white man, it's really nice to just go out with other white men sometimes," ... "I have to do so much less translation. When you're white around black people, you have to explain every little thing, even with people who are perfectly nice and well-meaning."
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What you think is provocative is just the rework of an insurance company television ad.

Context and tone matter.
 
Andy Dukes said:
And? A taxable corp would not pay taxes if it spent the money pretax and did not retain earnings. Heck, it is much easier for a taxable corp to get tax credits. Just ask GE or Boeing. or even Mr. Trump.
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All of the employees of any non-profit pay taxes on their income, just like employees of for-profit companies. All non-profits who pay employees pay the employer share of Federal employment taxes (Social Security and Medicare) and state employer taxes such as unemployment and disability insurance. All non-profits pay some state and local taxes despite their preferred status, such as sales taxes on items purchased for their operation, or embedded in government fees for things like vehicles. All utility bills a non-profit pays include unavoidable taxes and fees.
 
Wez said:
Exactly, only an idiot would forget why we have agencies like the FDA. Gotta love Libertarians and the magic free market fairy dust they try to sprinkle everywhere...
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This where I fell out with libertarians. In order to build any kind of an electorate, they had to include nonsense planks like these in their party platform. Despite the party's underlying theme of personal responsibility and people making up their own mind about things, the Libertarian Party (capital letters) requires candidates to swear to uphold the platform, even if they disagree with much of it.
 
espola said:
All of the employees of any non-profit pay taxes on their income, just like employees of for-profit companies. All non-profits who pay employees pay the employer share of Federal employment taxes (Social Security and Medicare) and state employer taxes such as unemployment and disability insurance. All non-profits pay some state and local taxes despite their preferred status, such as sales taxes on items purchased for their operation, or embedded in government fees for things like vehicles. All utility bills a non-profit pays include unavoidable taxes and fees.
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From the Clinton Foundation 990 form I linked to earlier -
Payroll taxes - $2,495,958
 
espola said:
I heard a series of interviews on the radio yesterday with several Trump supporters, many of them people approaching my age. They weren't interested in discussing anything Trump has said or done, they said they would support him no matter what. It's not surprising that there are examples of the same willful ignorance around here.
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The same ignorance shown by the die hard Trump supporters is apparent in the die hard HRC supporters.
The other 50% should vote third party and be done with these two.
 
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