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And for the umpteen time, the fact that you can die in ways other then a jackass with a gun, doesn't change the fact that you bringing a gun around me and mine exposes us to your bad decision.
...and I also realize it's the law and that's why I think the laws should change.

You seemingly suffer from 'hoplophobia'...
Freud has some interesting thoughts on the fear of weapons, but I digress.
Again, I've never brought a gun to Surf Cup, ever, and I've been there many times...
I have passed fatal accidents on the freeway going home from Surf Cup and out near Lancaster for Nationals...
An unfortunate part of the 42000 .....
 
You seemingly suffer from 'hoplophobia'...
Freud has some interesting thoughts on the fear of weapons, but I digress.

I think that has been debunked.

However, Freud certainly did say this --

“All complicated machines and appliances are very probably the genitals — as a rule the male genitals — in the description of which the symbolism of dreams is as indefatigable as human wit. It is quite unmistakable that all weapons and tools are used as symbols for the male organ: e.g., ploughshare, hammer, gun, revolver, dagger, sword, etc.”

Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis (1933)
 
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You seemingly suffer from 'hoplophobia'...

When I rode a motorcycle through LA traffic, I didn't fear the cars and trucks around me that can kill me, I feared the idiots behind the wheel.

Same applies when others decide they want to bring a gun around me and mine, it's their mistakes I would prefer to avoid. That and their psychoses...

Do you allow your kids to play at friends houses where there are guns? What if you didn't trust the gun owner?

http://www.parents.com/kids/teens/violence/is-there-a-gun-in-the-house/
 
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/heal...plans-in-2017/ar-BBvFIOq?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp


Now what?
This was the best piece of legislation this administration produced.
What went wrong?

Ooops, looks like there is more to the story...

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...block-our-deal-and-well-drop-out-of-exchanges

"In the company's statement, CEO Bertolini said, "As a strong supporter of public exchanges as a means to meet the needs of the uninsured, we regret having to make this decision."

The statement made no mention of the company's pending offer for Humana nor its recent correspondence with the government about how Aetna would likely respond if the feds moved to block the deal. Aetna didn't immediately respond to a request for comment on how to reconcile Tuesday's announcement with the July 5 letter made public by Huffington Post on Wednesday.

The change in tack for Aetna is also noteworthy because Bertolini was talking up the business potential of the exchanges as recently as April, when he said during a call with analysts and investors that the exchanges were "a good investment," despite the losses incurred."
 
Six-time Olympic shooting medalist Kim Rhode said Monday night that new gun control measures implemented in her home state of California — and around the country — are “killing our sport at the core.”

“That’s something that I have, you know, feel very strongly about speaking out about and really trying to educate the general public about these laws that are being passed,” Rhode told TheBlaze’s Dana Loesch.

During this year’s Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, Rhode became the first woman to ever medal at six straight Olympic games, but she fears the recent rash of gun control legislation could greatly damage the accessibility of her sport, and ultimately, firearms in general.

Rhode said Gov. Jerry Brown (D) just signed a law that requires a background check “each and every time” she purchases ammunition. The Olympian told Loesch she averages “500 and 1,000 rounds a day” while she’s in training. However, it is important to note that, according to a report from The Los Angeles Times, frequent buyers will be added to a database of ammunition purchasers.

She went on to say she’s unsure how the sponsors who ship her ammunition will be affected because of a new bill that prohibits the possession of high-capacity rounds, which are defined as those holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition, according to The New York Times.

“If I have ammo that I purchase in California, and say I take 300 rounds to a match, and I wanna bring maybe 100 rounds back because I didn’t shoot it all, I’m only allowed, I think, a couple rounds of that to be able to bring back,” Rhode said. “So I don’t know what I’ll do with the rest of it.”

On a personal note, Rhode told Loesch about several firearms that have been in her family “for generations” that will now be labeled as assault weapons. According to California law, those guns cannot go to Rhode’s son unless they are rendered “permanently inoperable,” lawfully removed from the state, or if he obtains a permit from the Justice Department allowing him to possess the weapons.

There’s some real major issues there that I have — just not only being a competitor, but just being a Second Amendment advocate and being a shooter and being born and raised in Southern California,” Rhode said.

New legislation signed by the governor will also block Rhode from loaning any of her firearms out unless the person who she’s leaving the gun with undergoes a background check, according to The Los Angeles Times.

“How do you teach somebody about shooting or, you know, educate them about safety and responsibility if you can’t loan them a gun to even try the sport,” Rhode, who said she often coaches Boy Scouts so they can earn a badge, lamented.

When the sweeping gun control measures were signed into law last month, the National Rifle Association accused Brown of exploiting the recent terrorist attacks for political gain.

“Gov. Jerry Brown today signed a Draconian gun control package that turns California’s law-abiding gun owners into second-class citizens,” Amy Hunter, the NRA’s California spokeswoman, said in a statement. “The governor and legislature exploited a terrorist attack to push these measures through even though the state’s already restrictive laws did nothing to stop the attack in San Bernadino.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...dalist-says-gun-control-is-killing-our-sport/

This will simply turn folks into criminals....

Rhode appears to be hoping for sympathy based on her Olympic record so that no one will notice her mis-statements of fact or simple exaggerations. For example, any weapon that has been in her family for years and could not easily be transferred to her children would be useless to a marksmanship competition shooter. As for the supposed ammunition issue, as long as she has records to prove that the ammunition was legally purchased in California, she should have no additional problem in the situation cited.
 
When I rode a motorcycle through LA traffic, I didn't fear the cars and trucks around me that can kill me, I feared the idiots behind the wheel.

Same applies when others decide they want to bring a gun around me and mine, it's their mistakes I would prefer to avoid. That and their psychoses...

Do you allow your kids to play at friends houses where there are guns? What if you didn't trust the gun owner?

http://www.parents.com/kids/teens/violence/is-there-a-gun-in-the-house/


First of all, I have guns, I grew up with guns in our home, so my kids were taught gun safety.
Part of that safety is if they come across a gun not to touch it and to tell an adult about it.
They were taught that guns are not toys & to respect the power that a gun has.
They were taught to consider every gun loaded and never point it at anyone unless they planned to shoot that someone.
I never asked anyone if they had guns in their home.
They were taught when learning to drive that driving a car has a responsibility not to be taken lightly.
I don't worry about my dd's when they are out and about in a car.
I worry about drunks or some pin head not paying attention & running a light or stop sign.
With the number of guns out there, chances are kids will come in contact or sight of a gun. They should know gun safety rules.

My youngest dd asked me if she could go hunting with me.
I said sure. But to get a license she had to take a hunters/gun safety class.
She did, she loved it and she's ready to go.
I'll keep my eye on her when we are out with the weapons and continue to instruct her & instill gun safety & hunting preparations
I kept my eye on her when she played soccer, making sure she was prepared and was as safe as she could be.
That's all a parent can do.
 
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Rhode appears to be hoping for sympathy based on her Olympic record so that no one will notice her mis-statements of fact or simple exaggerations. For example, any weapon that has been in her family for years and could not easily be transferred to her children would be useless to a marksmanship competition shooter. As for the supposed ammunition issue, as long as she has records to prove that the ammunition was legally purchased in California, she should have no additional problem in the situation cited.
What does being a marksmanship shooter have to do with the fact that she can't leave her guns to her children?
As far as proving that she ammo was "legally purchased" in Calif. goes. Ammo is ammo. what business is it of the state where it is purchased?
If I hunt in Wyoming should I keep my receipts for the ammo I purchased at DICK's sporting goods two years ago, in order to bring the ammo back with me?
 
Ooops, looks like there is more to the story...

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...block-our-deal-and-well-drop-out-of-exchanges

"In the company's statement, CEO Bertolini said, "As a strong supporter of public exchanges as a means to meet the needs of the uninsured, we regret having to make this decision."

The statement made no mention of the company's pending offer for Humana nor its recent correspondence with the government about how Aetna would likely respond if the feds moved to block the deal. Aetna didn't immediately respond to a request for comment on how to reconcile Tuesday's announcement with the July 5 letter made public by Huffington Post on Wednesday.

The change in tack for Aetna is also noteworthy because Bertolini was talking up the business potential of the exchanges as recently as April, when he said during a call with analysts and investors that the exchanges were "a good investment," despite the losses incurred."


Ooops millions will have less choices and the legislation isn't working...
 
Part of that safety is if they come across a gun not to touch it and to tell an adult about it.

You 100% sure your kids do what you tell them to do at all times, I know I'm not. What about their friends? Gun safety doesn't prevent accidents.
 
Ooops millions will have less choices and the legislation isn't working...

Who says? From where I sit, from what I've read, it's working as intended. Far from perfect and should be improved over time, but it's a good first step.
 
What does being a marksmanship shooter have to do with the fact that she can't leave her guns to her children?
As far as proving that she ammo was "legally purchased" in Calif. goes. Ammo is ammo. what business is it of the state where it is purchased?
If I hunt in Wyoming should I keep my receipts for the ammo I purchased at DICK's sporting goods two years ago, in order to bring the ammo back with me?

You can do what you like. I was describing what a law-abiding person could do, based on discussions in online gun groups and the California AG FAQ on the new law.

As for not leaving weapons to her children -- decades ago the California legislature wanted to abolish assault weapons in the state altogether. They had a difficult time defining "assault weapons" in a legally enforcible way, which resulted in a list of characteristics (things like pistol grips or barrel threaded so that one could attach a flash suppressor, etc), effectively banning many existing weapons but leaving large loopholes that manufacturers have been dropping re-designed weapons through ever since. Most existing weapons were grandfathered for current owners, but transferring to another, even close relatives, was made difficult or impossible. One of the legal methods to execute the transfer is for the children to get a federal gun dealer or collector license, but that is expensive if one is not active as a dealer.
 
You 100% sure your kids do what you tell them to do at all times, I know I'm not. What about their friends? Gun safety doesn't prevent accidents.
Well no Wez, not 100%. But one just finished up her masters and the youngest is starting her senior year in college.
I can only go with what I was taught and what I taught my kids.
I know they have an awareness of and are not curious, mystified or ignorant of guns.
There were guns in my parents home, my father told us kids we could look at them hold them & shoot them anytime he was around, all we had to do was ask.
He also made it clear that if we touched the guns when he wasn't around that there would be a price paid.
My siblings and I never touched those guns. We all are still alive, no accidents.
The same is true with my children. No mystery, no unanswered curiosity, no accidental deaths, injuries or gun shots.
As far as "gun safety doesn't prevent accidents" ...that's asinine. I suppose driver education doesn't prevent accidents and seat belts don't save lifes....geezzus.
The odds are sumthin' like a million to one, against a child in the U.S. dying in a firearm accident.
Just so you can sleep at night, my guns are generally kept in a walk in safe, that is locked.
I do this to keep my dd's "friends" that are ignorant of guns and gun safety from picking one up and causing harm.
I lock my power tools up also...but we can talk skill saw safety another time.
 
I know they have an awareness of and are not curious, mystified or ignorant of guns.

Again, it's other people acting the fool with a gun that I'm worried about. I own a gun, I'm not worried about that gun. It's been disassembled for 11 years. Strangely, I haven't needed it for self defense in those 11 years...
 
You can do what you like. I was describing what a law-abiding person could do, based on discussions in online gun groups and the California AG FAQ on the new law.

As for not leaving weapons to her children -- decades ago the California legislature wanted to abolish assault weapons in the state altogether. They had a difficult time defining "assault weapons" in a legally enforcible way, which resulted in a list of characteristics (things like pistol grips or barrel threaded so that one could attach a flash suppressor, etc), effectively banning many existing weapons but leaving large loopholes that manufacturers have been dropping re-designed weapons through ever since. Most existing weapons were grandfathered for current owners, but transferring to another, even close relatives, was made difficult or impossible. One of the legal methods to execute the transfer is for the children to get a federal gun dealer or collector license, but that is expensive if one is not active as a dealer.
Thanks for your blessings regarding me doing what I like. I've never felt such freedom....
You obviously don't own any of these weapons that were at the stroke of a pen deemed illegal.
The point is these new laws turn law abiding citizens into scoff laws... and to what end?
These guns were purchased legally, no crimes have been committed with them, yet this woman's children will have the state interloping in her estate.
You believe in the government, that's fine. Some of us, law abiding citizens, have a healthy suspicion of it.
 
Again, it's other people acting the fool with a gun that I'm worried about. I own a gun, I'm not worried about that gun. It's been disassembled for 11 years. Strangely, I haven't needed it for self defense in those 11 years...
I'm happy for you Wez, perhaps you should hide the parts in different parts of your home....just to be sure.
You can't be too safe when it comes to guns. You never know, they're scary...
The gun is disassembled? Hmmm....
You'd be better off getting yourself a brick or maybe a hammer for self defense.
Baseball bats are good for self defense....unless your opponent is a nut with a gun. :cool:
 
Thanks for your blessings regarding me doing what I like. I've never felt such freedom....
You obviously don't own any of these weapons that were at the stroke of a pen deemed illegal.
The point is these new laws turn law abiding citizens into scoff laws... and to what end?
These guns were purchased legally, no crimes have been committed with them, yet this woman's children will have the state interloping in her estate.
You believe in the government, that's fine. Some of us, law abiding citizens, have a healthy suspicion of it.

Why would anyone be a scofflaw if there is a perfectly legal way to do what they want?

Before 1934, anyone could possess a machine gun or a sawed-off shotgun. After the Firearms Control Act was passed, anyone could keep what they had, or even buy new ones, as long as they registered the weapons and got a federal license. Was that a bad thing?
 
Why would anyone be a scofflaw if there is a perfectly legal way to do what they want?

Before 1934, anyone could possess a machine gun or a sawed-off shotgun. After the Firearms Control Act was passed, anyone could keep what they had, or even buy new ones, as long as they registered the weapons and got a federal license. Was that a bad thing?
We're not talking about sub machine guns.
 
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