Play High School or Not?

Fact said:
As I have said in DM’s to other people,
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I'm really in your head so bad that you are DMing people. What... are you in Middle School and are seeking your friends approval. Where you THAT person in HS?!This is hilarious...

Merry Christmas Fact.
 
Multi Sport said:
I guess my question then is why is DA viewed differently the Club by CIF? Why would they allow a kid who is attending a Private HS (based on their soccer merits) who plays DA to double dip but a kid who plays ECNL cannot? Besides the fact that there are not as many tournaments for the olders out here for them to participate in this time of year, it seems odd that they are viewed differently .
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The CIF does not allow a kids to play HS AND Club (DA is club). No student may play the same sport during the HS season ("season of sport"). The HS season doesn't technically start for most of SoCal until January. The preseason started in mid November. Under CIF rules any game played with a referee counts, thus, kids cannot play with their outside club once they suit up and play a game with a referee. This doesn't mean that a DA/Club player cannot practice with the team, attend the game and sit on the bench. What we have going on right now is a few DA/Club teams are still playing through December. Those players cannot play in any HS game. Once the winter showcases are over, then the player will make the election to play HS. If waivered, they can return. If no waiver, they are done with DA until the following season. But, under no circumstance can a player play in a CIF division simultaneously with their Club team under CIF rules (see, Rule 2509, https://cifss.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Soccer-Blue-Book-18-19.pdf).
 
MWN said:
The CIF does not allow a kids to play HS AND Club (DA is club). No student may play the same sport during the HS season ("season of sport"). The HS season doesn't technically start for most of SoCal until January. The preseason started in mid November. Under CIF rules any game played with a referee counts, thus, kids cannot play with their outside club once they suit up and play a game with a referee. This doesn't mean that a DA/Club player cannot practice with the team, attend the game and sit on the bench. What we have going on right now is a few DA/Club teams are still playing through December. Those players cannot play in any HS game. Once the winter showcases are over, then the player will make the election to play HS. If waivered, they can return. If no waiver, they are done with DA until the following season. But, under no circumstance can a player play in a CIF division simultaneously with their Club team under CIF rules (see, Rule 2509, https://cifss.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Soccer-Blue-Book-18-19.pdf).
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Ok.. what I recall that is nothing new. My DDs would play through the end of Nov sometimes into Dec then join their HS team.
 
Multi Sport said:
Ok.. what I recall that is nothing new. My DDs would play through the end of Nov sometimes into Dec then join their HS team.
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Boy are you stupid! DA players cannot return to their DA team for the rest of the DA season if they played high school without a waiver.
 
Fact said:
Boy are you stupid! DA players cannot return to their DA team for the rest of the DA season if they played high school without a waiver.
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I really am in your head. Your post has nothing to do with mine.

Now go and edit your post and DM E about me...
It's what you do best.

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Play High school her friends and community will be supporting her. We all know it's not as good as club but who watches club at that age besides angry parents in tommy bahama beach chairs?
 
Article in times about playing in high school, going to college, and having a fun journey along the way
https://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/la-sp-high-schools-sondheimer-20190110-story.html

"Elliot played on Loyola’s Southern Section championship team in 2014. It helped convince Henry to give up playing in U.S. Soccer’s developmental Academy League when he entered high school so he could play with his big brother. The two were together when Loyola won a regional title in 2016.

“I saw the experience that he had playing for his high school and all the fun he had winning a CIF championship,” Henry said of playing for Loyola instead of continuing on in the Academy League. “I was at that game when he won and I just thought that was the greatest thing ever, and the Academy League wasn’t for me, so I chose to play high school and it’s one of the best decisions I’ve ever made.

“I’ve improved a lot through my four years, got a great college opportunity and have made some of my best friends on the soccer team.”

No Regrets....
 
Not to rev up an old controversy, but my DD on her High School team started with a roster of 22. They are down to 14, with a balance of injuries that include torn acl, meniscus tear (both from violent collisions), several under concussion protocol(again from violent collisions) and many are forcasted to miss their olders National cup with their club team and possibly next club season. While injuries are inevitable, I watched with a keen eye how many of these occurred. High school seems now to be littered now with oversized and underskilled players who pretty much play the back line (from a TOP coach in OC yelling!) "SEND IT" and a front line. Lost in the HS game is any balance of passing or finesse and it becomes this game of deep kicks with girls collapsing on the balls (and opponents) in a melee that looks more like rugby. It is ugly soccer at best and with my DD starting to converse with a few College coaches, I am re-thinking the HS game from a safety perspective. She likes it but now (as a sophomore playing varsity) sees how bad it really is this year. Do I push her to continue or tell her to maybe skip it? It is really up to her but every game I watch as another ball gets lofted into the air (there are no flat touches) and two girls go full speed for the header......
 
There is actually a lot of variability in the high school soccer scene. Not all coaches are bad and not all teams play ugly soccer. Have had a lot of experience with high school soccer over the years and not many serious injuries and certainly no one has missed a club season because of it. Have, however , seen many serious injuries during club season. There are a lot of scary high school stories shared here but there are also other experiences that have been great. It just depends on your DD, the high school, the league etc. Just like the recruiting process there is no one right answer or path in youth soccer. For some high school soccer has been an incredible experience with lifelong memories. For others it is not the right fit. You have to consider many factors and make the best decision for your DD based on the individual situation.
 
Slammerdad said:
Not to rev up an old controversy, but my DD on her High School team started with a roster of 22. They are down to 14, with a balance of injuries that include torn acl, meniscus tear (both from violent collisions), several under concussion protocol(again from violent collisions) and many are forcasted to miss their olders National cup with their club team and possibly next club season. While injuries are inevitable, I watched with a keen eye how many of these occurred. High school seems now to be littered now with oversized and underskilled players who pretty much play the back line (from a TOP coach in OC yelling!) "SEND IT" and a front line. Lost in the HS game is any balance of passing or finesse and it becomes this game of deep kicks with girls collapsing on the balls (and opponents) in a melee that looks more like rugby. It is ugly soccer at best and with my DD starting to converse with a few College coaches, I am re-thinking the HS game from a safety perspective. She likes it but now (as a sophomore playing varsity) sees how bad it really is this year. Do I push her to continue or tell her to maybe skip it? It is really up to her but every game I watch as another ball gets lofted into the air (there are no flat touches) and two girls go full speed for the header......
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I mirror what @Soccer43 wrote and agree.
Your experience is the opposite of our experience. This is probably due to the fact that in our area (Temecula) there is no older DA program (Murrieta Surf stops at the youngers), thus, we have decent talent that could be playing in the DA (we have a few kids with scholarship offers) that are not and while the bottom teams have played poorly, the top 3 teams in the league have played a decent brand of soccer and we have not experienced any injuries that would not have also occurred in club. I do appreciate that I'm watching the Boys, who tend to play a much faster game and are less injury prone. I know that our HS coach really encourages ball control and my boys HS team will often get 12 or more passes in before losing it on a cross in the box or shot on goal. I've been impressed.

If I had a girl that was scholarship material, I would question playing HS for the reason you cite and because many of the pitches are poorly maintained artificial turf. While properly maintained turf can be just as safe as natural grass, poorly maintained synthetic turf is not.
 
My DD freshman playing JV. Has been great, she enjoys the girls and the coaching. It will not replace club (she continuously talks about the bad soccer) but she appreciates the HS for different reasons. The downfall as of last week-- a broken ankle. And not from a bad collision but from poorly maintained turf (my theory). season over and now affecting the club season which is a bummer. life goes on though

We went to pick up our DD from boys JV game only to be greeted by 2 ambulances in parking lot....DD said very well played, fair game that wasn't dirty. 2 boys went up headed each other and ended up on the ground neither moving. Just a fluke.
 
Speed said:
My DD freshman playing JV. Has been great, she enjoys the girls and the coaching. It will not replace club (she continuously talks about the bad soccer) but she appreciates the HS for different reasons. The downfall as of last week-- a broken ankle. And not from a bad collision but from poorly maintained turf (my theory). season over and now affecting the club season which is a bummer. life goes on though

We went to pick up our DD from boys JV game only to be greeted by 2 ambulances in parking lot....DD said very well played, fair game that wasn't dirty. 2 boys went up headed each other and ended up on the ground neither moving. Just a fluke.
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My sophomore girl loved playing varsity soccer last year and hates it this year, she will not be playing next year.
 
Slammerdad said:
Not to rev up an old controversy, but my DD on her High School team started with a roster of 22. They are down to 14, with a balance of injuries that include torn acl, meniscus tear (both from violent collisions), several under concussion protocol(again from violent collisions) and many are forcasted to miss their olders National cup with their club team and possibly next club season. While injuries are inevitable, I watched with a keen eye how many of these occurred. High school seems now to be littered now with oversized and underskilled players who pretty much play the back line (from a TOP coach in OC yelling!) "SEND IT" and a front line. Lost in the HS game is any balance of passing or finesse and it becomes this game of deep kicks with girls collapsing on the balls (and opponents) in a melee that looks more like rugby. It is ugly soccer at best and with my DD starting to converse with a few College coaches, I am re-thinking the HS game from a safety perspective. She likes it but now (as a sophomore playing varsity) sees how bad it really is this year. Do I push her to continue or tell her to maybe skip it? It is really up to her but every game I watch as another ball gets lofted into the air (there are no flat touches) and two girls go full speed for the header......
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HS soccer has a much wider range of skill levels. While not every team plays poor soccer, many do and you are almost certain to run into those teams in the course of the season. The fact that all of the games are played on small football fields decreases the space between players and increases the chances of collisions. Any upper level player with plans to play college should be aware of the issues and play accordingly by minimizing the amount of time they hold onto the ball and declining to go in for contested headers.
 
outside! said:
HS soccer has a much wider range of skill levels.
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Totally agree with this. I would take it a step further and add (probably previously in this thread) that there is a wider range of size levels as well. My (younger side) freshman on JV is playing against kids far larger and some fully bearded kids.
On the skill side, its interesting to see how the kids seem to fall in to the "cant touch the ball more than once without losing it" or "head down trying to dribble the entire defensive line" categories. Our coach works hard at trying to get them to build it out of the back but its tough.

Frustrating to watch as a parent and I know it drives my kid nuts but if asked, I would bet he would do it again.
 
Speed said:
My DD freshman playing JV. Has been great, she enjoys the girls and the coaching. It will not replace club (she continuously talks about the bad soccer) but she appreciates the HS for different reasons. The downfall as of last week-- a broken ankle. And not from a bad collision but from poorly maintained turf (my theory). season over and now affecting the club season which is a bummer. life goes on though

We went to pick up our DD from boys JV game only to be greeted by 2 ambulances in parking lot....DD said very well played, fair game that wasn't dirty. 2 boys went up headed each other and ended up on the ground neither moving. Just a fluke.
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Sorry to hear about the injury. Hope she heals quickly and completely!
 
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