Play High School or Not?

And another thing ... with regard to "Edit-Gate": who really cares if the post was edited. Do you all know how many times I press the "post" button and then go back reread my post and say "damn, that was a little harsh ... or ... that makes no sense ... or oops, is that even a word?" Its easy to use inflammatory language and not appreciate that what might be an off the hand quip or remark could be interpreted as offensive.

I really wish more people would press the edit button.
 
MWN said:
  1. CIF Rules are you can't play Club and HS at the same time. Club (stop) --> HS (start) --> HS (finish) --> Club (start).
  2. The DA Rules are you can't come back to the DA if you play HS. DA (stop) --> HS (start) --> HS (finish) --> Club (start), but not DA until new season. The exception being you can come back to the DA if you went to a private school and received a waiver from the DA.
My personal opinion on HS for both boys and girls is that only about 120 DA players in each gender are really being looked at for the National Team and and/or the pro ranks. The rest of the kids are fodder so the clubs and DA can have a league. Take the best 120 or 200 or whatever the number is and FULLY FUND their soccer (training, housing, schooling, etc.), take the rest of the kids that are not on the 100% DA/US Soccer/MLS scholarship and allow them to do what they want. For kids, especially girls, who have little to no professional path give up the social element of HS sports (soccer) is selfish and wrong of the DA. 99% of all DA players will never touch a National Team uniform or make the pro ranks ... let them get a fully rounded education and be student athletes for the HS.
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This, IMO, is the correct take. I honestly think there should be two DA's. One for the MLS Academies, one for the rest. They could play each other in show cases or not at all. The MLS one should/would play a national schedule and all have local academies that house and school the kids. The DA2 would be the Patadores, Surf, Nomad's of the world, high level coaching and players, best path to play in college and a place to get noticed by the MLS academies, but also would take a break for high school. It's dumb for an LA or SD team to go to Utah or Barca for a one off game. It's great to get to compete against them, but the reality is that those teams train like pros and should be treated differently. It would also foster more competition to get on to those teams.

I would start this at u16. The late bloomers can still be found through the DA2, they just wouldn't have to give up HS, miss school on Friday so they can take a seven hour bus ride for a Saturday a.m. game in AZ or otherwise be used by the system for the benefit of the 1% that US Soccer really cares about.
 
MWN said:
And another thing ... with regard to "Edit-Gate": who really cares if the post was edited. Do you all know how many times I press the "post" button and then go back reread my post and say "damn, that was a little harsh ... or ... that makes no sense ... or oops, is that even a word?" Its easy to use inflammatory language and not appreciate that what might be an off the hand quip or remark could be interpreted as offensive.

I really wish more people would press the edit button.
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Here’s my issue that shows what type of person he is. As I have said in DM’s to other people, I originally thought he just misread what I wrote. However when he claimed to have a screenshot of MY post and then changed my post in his response, that takes the issue to a new level.
 
Multi Sport said:
But Fact says that he or she is unable to edit.. that he or she is "too cheap to pay". But you don't have to pay to edit. On top of that it doesn't show that the post was edited. So Fact makes a post, I read it. He or she edits the post then I respond to it. Problem with Fact is he or she is too full of it to admit it. Why would I respond what does white have to do with it if it was not in the original post?

I'm not like you who likes to post things and then claim amnesia or delete the post and claim to have never posted it.

And where is your buddy @JaP at these days? You two had the best arguments, even if he owned you all of the time.
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Someone claiming the JaP account still posts here on occasion. He avoids anything I post. So who "owned" whom?
 
MWN said:
My personal opinion on HS for both boys and girls is that only about 120 DA players in each gender are really being looked at for the National Team and and/or the pro ranks. The rest of the kids are fodder so the clubs and DA can have a league. Take the best 120 or 200 or whatever the number is and FULLY FUND their soccer (training, housing, schooling, etc.), take the rest of the kids that are not on the 100% DA/US Soccer/MLS scholarship and allow them to do what they want. For kids, especially girls, who have little to no professional path give up the social element of HS sports (soccer) is selfish and wrong of the DA. 99% of all DA players will never touch a National Team uniform or make the pro ranks ... let them get a fully rounded education and be student athletes for the HS.
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Totally agree although I think its more a matter of arrogance than selfishness. US Soccer claims that "The Development Academy upholds this rule (no outside activity) because we believe elite players require world class environments." We've enjoyed DA so far but to call it "world class" is a huge exaggeration. The training is no better or different than any other Flight 1 team. The only difference I've noticed is the quality of the reffing, which has been a significant improvement despite the fact we only have one ref for U12. It appears that US Soccer/DA doesn't believe in the philosophy "The game is the best teacher" but instead has the philosophy that "We know what's best for your child". It's this arrogance that is one of the fundamental problems with US Soccer and youth soccer in general. https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/cla...r-too-arrogant-far/1w9vcdubu5yhf1vj9c89qmxyib
 
MWN said:
  1. CIF Rules are you can't play Club and HS at the same time. Club (stop) --> HS (start) --> HS (finish) --> Club (start).
  2. The DA Rules are you can't come back to the DA if you play HS. DA (stop) --> HS (start) --> HS (finish) --> Club (start), but not DA until new season. The exception being you can come back to the DA if you went to a private school and received a waiver from the DA.
My personal opinion on HS for both boys and girls is that only about 120 DA players in each gender are really being looked at for the National Team and and/or the pro ranks. The rest of the kids are fodder so the clubs and DA can have a league. Take the best 120 or 200 or whatever the number is and FULLY FUND their soccer (training, housing, schooling, etc.), take the rest of the kids that are not on the 100% DA/US Soccer/MLS scholarship and allow them to do what they want. For kids, especially girls, who have little to no professional path give up the social element of HS sports (soccer) is selfish and wrong of the DA. 99% of all DA players will never touch a National Team uniform or make the pro ranks ... let them get a fully rounded education and be student athletes for the HS.
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I guess my question then is why is DA viewed differently the Club by CIF? Why would they allow a kid who is attending a Private HS (based on their soccer merits) who plays DA to double dip but a kid who plays ECNL cannot? Besides the fact that there are not as many tournaments for the olders out here for them to participate in this time of year, it seems odd that they are viewed differently .
 
MWN said:
And another thing ... with regard to "Edit-Gate": who really cares if the post was edited. Do you all know how many times I press the "post" button and then go back reread my post and say "damn, that was a little harsh ... or ... that makes no sense ... or oops, is that even a word?" Its easy to use inflammatory language and not appreciate that what might be an off the hand quip or remark could be interpreted as offensive.

I really wish more people would press the edit button.
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According to Fact you have to pay to edit... wrong.

I have no problem with edit feature. It's great to use but to post, then edit, then deny is lame..
 
Multi Sport said:
I guess my question then is why is DA viewed differently the Club by CIF? Why would they allow a kid who is attending a Private HS (based on their soccer merits) who plays DA to double dip but a kid who plays ECNL cannot? Besides the fact that there are not as many tournaments for the olders out here for them to participate in this time of year, it seems odd that they are viewed differently .
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The CIF does not allow a kids to play HS AND Club (DA is club). No student may play the same sport during the HS season ("season of sport"). The HS season doesn't technically start for most of SoCal until January. The preseason started in mid November. Under CIF rules any game played with a referee counts, thus, kids cannot play with their outside club once they suit up and play a game with a referee. This doesn't mean that a DA/Club player cannot practice with the team, attend the game and sit on the bench. What we have going on right now is a few DA/Club teams are still playing through December. Those players cannot play in any HS game. Once the winter showcases are over, then the player will make the election to play HS. If waivered, they can return. If no waiver, they are done with DA until the following season. But, under no circumstance can a player play in a CIF division simultaneously with their Club team under CIF rules (see, Rule 2509, https://cifss.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Soccer-Blue-Book-18-19.pdf).
 
MWN said:
The CIF does not allow a kids to play HS AND Club (DA is club). No student may play the same sport during the HS season ("season of sport"). The HS season doesn't technically start for most of SoCal until January. The preseason started in mid November. Under CIF rules any game played with a referee counts, thus, kids cannot play with their outside club once they suit up and play a game with a referee. This doesn't mean that a DA/Club player cannot practice with the team, attend the game and sit on the bench. What we have going on right now is a few DA/Club teams are still playing through December. Those players cannot play in any HS game. Once the winter showcases are over, then the player will make the election to play HS. If waivered, they can return. If no waiver, they are done with DA until the following season. But, under no circumstance can a player play in a CIF division simultaneously with their Club team under CIF rules (see, Rule 2509, https://cifss.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Soccer-Blue-Book-18-19.pdf).
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Ok.. what I recall that is nothing new. My DDs would play through the end of Nov sometimes into Dec then join their HS team.
 
Multi Sport said:
Ok.. what I recall that is nothing new. My DDs would play through the end of Nov sometimes into Dec then join their HS team.
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Boy are you stupid! DA players cannot return to their DA team for the rest of the DA season if they played high school without a waiver.
 
Fact said:
Boy are you stupid! DA players cannot return to their DA team for the rest of the DA season if they played high school without a waiver.
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I really am in your head. Your post has nothing to do with mine.

Now go and edit your post and DM E about me...
It's what you do best.

Enjoy your New Year Fact
 
Play High school her friends and community will be supporting her. We all know it's not as good as club but who watches club at that age besides angry parents in tommy bahama beach chairs?
 
Article in times about playing in high school, going to college, and having a fun journey along the way
https://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/la-sp-high-schools-sondheimer-20190110-story.html

"Elliot played on Loyola’s Southern Section championship team in 2014. It helped convince Henry to give up playing in U.S. Soccer’s developmental Academy League when he entered high school so he could play with his big brother. The two were together when Loyola won a regional title in 2016.

“I saw the experience that he had playing for his high school and all the fun he had winning a CIF championship,” Henry said of playing for Loyola instead of continuing on in the Academy League. “I was at that game when he won and I just thought that was the greatest thing ever, and the Academy League wasn’t for me, so I chose to play high school and it’s one of the best decisions I’ve ever made.

“I’ve improved a lot through my four years, got a great college opportunity and have made some of my best friends on the soccer team.”

No Regrets....
 
Not to rev up an old controversy, but my DD on her High School team started with a roster of 22. They are down to 14, with a balance of injuries that include torn acl, meniscus tear (both from violent collisions), several under concussion protocol(again from violent collisions) and many are forcasted to miss their olders National cup with their club team and possibly next club season. While injuries are inevitable, I watched with a keen eye how many of these occurred. High school seems now to be littered now with oversized and underskilled players who pretty much play the back line (from a TOP coach in OC yelling!) "SEND IT" and a front line. Lost in the HS game is any balance of passing or finesse and it becomes this game of deep kicks with girls collapsing on the balls (and opponents) in a melee that looks more like rugby. It is ugly soccer at best and with my DD starting to converse with a few College coaches, I am re-thinking the HS game from a safety perspective. She likes it but now (as a sophomore playing varsity) sees how bad it really is this year. Do I push her to continue or tell her to maybe skip it? It is really up to her but every game I watch as another ball gets lofted into the air (there are no flat touches) and two girls go full speed for the header......
 
There is actually a lot of variability in the high school soccer scene. Not all coaches are bad and not all teams play ugly soccer. Have had a lot of experience with high school soccer over the years and not many serious injuries and certainly no one has missed a club season because of it. Have, however , seen many serious injuries during club season. There are a lot of scary high school stories shared here but there are also other experiences that have been great. It just depends on your DD, the high school, the league etc. Just like the recruiting process there is no one right answer or path in youth soccer. For some high school soccer has been an incredible experience with lifelong memories. For others it is not the right fit. You have to consider many factors and make the best decision for your DD based on the individual situation.
 
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