Pateadores Girls DA 03/04 - Observations

pooka said:
So what is a good number for a 13 year old to be at? I've had this question for a while lol
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I would say mid 20's if it is the same distance and interval that the national team and colleges use.
 
Real Deal said:
I've had a couple coaches with many, many years experience at top level tell me that speed is crucial for girls at the younger ages. "Because they only get slower" was one quote I heard more than once. I personally believe that speed can be taught -especially speed with a ball- running form can also be worked on. Motivation to give all (or not) can also be at play. If you see her falling behind in speed- you should probably focus on it for sure.
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In any sport, speed kills. Pure Speed is not a coachable skill. Sure it can be worked on, but a lot of speed is god given natural ability.
 
chiefs said:
In any sport, speed kills. Pure Speed is not a coachable skill. Sure it can be worked on, but a lot of speed is god given natural ability.
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Soccer isn't any sport. Speed endurance is major but Quickness and decision making on the ball is key. I have a spike strip for every track star out there. Keep training for speed if you want to but it's worthless. I'm a T&F coach and I just shag ball for my dd. It's a different quickness we are dealing with. It's a 60m sprint inside of a 5x5 grid. Please Do Not focus on speed focused on making it look smooth and quick.
 
The Driver said:
Soccer isn't any sport. Speed endurance is major but Quickness and decision making on the ball is key. I have a spike strip for every track star out there. Keep training for speed if you want to but it's worthless. I'm a T&F coach and I just shag ball for my dd. It's a different quickness we are dealing with. It's a 60m sprint inside of a 5x5 grid. Please Do Not focus on speed focused on making it look smooth and quick.
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I've seen speed make plays that make a huge difference in games. Speed matters at several positions. Watch what happens when a team has a slow backline. Especially when you consider that 95% of all girls soccer is direct.
 
MakeAPlay said:
I've seen speed make plays that make a huge difference in games. Speed matters at several positions. Watch what happens when a team has a slow backline. Especially when you consider that 95% of all girls soccer is direct.
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Right but then you call it kickball. Are we talking Baldwin Piano or Casio. We can't have it both ways. Chatting about the game @MakeAPlay nothing more.
 
@MakeAPlay you out of all people on this forum should know that because of the level your player has reached. You know a true alpha type player won't let a foot race happen in that 110x sometimes 80 if they are lucky. They will help a player up before they let it turn into a track meet. Fair play
 
The Driver said:
@MakeAPlay you out of all people on this forum should know that because of the level your player has reached. You know a true alpha type player won't let a foot race happen in that 110x sometimes 80 if they are lucky. They will help a player up before they let it turn into a track meet. Fair play
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True indeed...
 
Sunil Illuminati said:
Some interesting points. A successful coach no doubt. I wonder what his feelings are on 10 year old kids sitting in the car 2 hours each way to practice? Does that add to burn out too? I can't imagine a coach so sensitive to a child's welfare encouraging that process?
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Absolutely valid but again isn't that a parent issue not Tad? It's not like a club woood turn away a consumer? Or talent?
 
Striker17 said:
Absolutely valid but again isn't that a parent issue not Tad? It's not like a club woood turn away a consumer? Or talent?
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Good question. I think it's both. If you present a position of "player welfare first" but operate in a process that might be contrary to that, then maybe the club should turn them away, regardless of parental desire? If they want the best players at the club, fair enough, just seems a little hypocritical to champion a position on doing what's best for the kid, but conduct business in a way that may not be?
 
The Driver said:
@MakeAPlay you out of all people on this forum should know that because of the level your player has reached. You know a true alpha type player won't let a foot race happen in that 110x sometimes 80 if they are lucky. They will help a player up before they let it turn into a track meet. Fair play
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The Driver said:
Right but then you call it kickball. Are we talking Baldwin Piano or Casio. We can't have it both ways. Chatting about the game @MakeAPlay nothing more.
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I'm not saying that it isn't kickball, on the contrary it is kickball. Unfortunately unless you are playing Japan, either Korea, France, Germany, Brazil, Netherlands or Spain in the international game it is pretty direct play. It's worse in the college game where maybe 6-10 teams out of over 300 in D1 truly play possession soccer.

All that I am saying is that speed matters. Whether that is 10, 20, 40 or 100 meter speed it matters in soccer. Call it speed, call it acceleration, call it whatever.

This is a friendly discussion and nothing more. It's okay if we disagree. I can tell you that nobody that plays significant minutes at any position for my players team is slow and a few are speed burners and ALL of them have great ball skills. Without good technical skills, on her team, you would never see the field and even the players that barely play have good technique. Speed is the difference and I mean speed of play, speed of thought and good old fashioned running speed.
 
Sunil Illuminati said:
Good question. I think it's both. If you present a position of "player welfare first" but operate in a process that might be contrary to that, then maybe the club should turn them away, regardless of parental desire? If they want the best players at the club, fair enough, just seems a little hypocritical to champion a position on doing what's best for the kid, but conduct business in a way that may not be?
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Agreed but this is America not Russia and if somebody is willing to do it then so be it. My player commuted an hour plus for practice for her last club team. She got to finish her homework on the drive and we are very close to the family that we car pooled with. Lemons can become lemonade...
 
Sunil Illuminati said:
Good question. I think it's both. If you present a position of "player welfare first" but operate in a process that might be contrary to that, then maybe the club should turn them away, regardless of parental desire? If they want the best players at the club, fair enough, just seems a little hypocritical to champion a position on doing what's best for the kid, but conduct business in a way that may not
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I do agree and hopefully with DA this will change. In the past people would travel great lengths to get to an ECNL Club. That is why they went.
DA makes that unnecessary now.
I firmly appreciate the mentorship of the older parents but I absolutely disagree with the opinion that the clubs that have always done well will continue to do well. I think they did well because they had the cream of the talent and 6 impact players could carry a team at the ulittle level.
I think that within each club there is "that one coach" we all want but with most clubs not so much. The only glaring example of a STACKED coaching staff now to me is SLAMMERS.
I think that there is a real opportunity for the newly added DA clubs to build a solid foundation and yes it may take a few years but for gosh sakes why would any parent drive from LA to an ECNL Club and pass LAFC or PATS. or Beach?
 
MakeAPlay said:
Agreed but this is America not Russia and if somebody is willing to do it then so be it. My player commuted an hour plus for practice for her last club team. She got to finish her homework on the drive and we are very close to the family that we car pooled with. Lemons can become lemonade...
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Agree with you but this was a time when ECNL was the only option?
For me I would travel for a coach easily but not the Club.
People have a tendency to travel for he Club and to potentially get on an A team which I think will now go away .
 
MakeAPlay said:
Agreed but this is America not Russia and if somebody is willing to do it then so be it. My player commuted an hour plus for practice for her last club team. She got to finish her homework on the drive and we are very close to the family that we car pooled with. Lemons can become lemonade...
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And there it is..speak on it
 
Striker17 said:
Agree with you but this was a time when ECNL was the only option?
For me I would travel for a coach easily but not the Club.
People have a tendency to travel for he Club and to potentially get on an A team which I think will now go away .
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In our case it was for a coach who she had worked with for three or four years. It just happened to be that the coach went to another ECNL club. ECNL was not the only option for her but it was the best option.
 
MakeAPlay said:
In our case it was for a coach who she had worked with for three or four years. It just happened to be that the coach went to another ECNL club. ECNL was not the only option for her but it was the best option.
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That is why I am pointing it out. You are the very rare person who valued development over ANYTHING ELSE- brand, status, etc to develop YOUR PLAYER. That's rare. You were focused only on HER and that is commendable.
It's a good reminder and that's why I am only focused on the coach and how the coach thinks they can bring my girl to a new level of development. It said coach is at the Purple Rec All Stars then I will be there. Trophy chasing won't help at 16
 
MakeAPlay said:
I agree. There are several other coaches worth traveling for. I like Rob DeMelo, Mauricio and Jeff at Beach just to name a few.
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I'm wondering how many players/parents will be willing to leave an ECNL/DA club to go to a closer DA only club such as Beach or LA Galaxy...especially since coach selections haven't been announced yet.

Will some of the top South Bay players at Blues, Arsenal, Slammers or West Coast return to the South Bay area to reduce drive time or will they stay at their long distance DA/ECNL clubs? Clubs may get turned upside down in the next few months. It's going to get interesting!
 
Sandypk said:
I'm wondering how many players/parents will be willing to leave an ECNL/DA club to go to a closer DA only club such as Beach or LA Galaxy...especially since coach selections haven't been announced yet.

Will some of the top South Bay players at Blues, Arsenal, Slammers or West Coast return to the South Bay area to reduce drive time or will they stay at their long distance DA/ECNL clubs? Clubs may get turned upside down in the next few months. It's going to get interesting!
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I doubt it. Blues and Slammers get kids into college and into the YNT pool. They have a stable of coaches and all of the college and national team connections. Personally I can think of a couple of Blues coaches that I would pass right by and go to Long Beach if they were coaching my player's team. Who knows though. The main effect in my opinion will be going forward not backward. Why they would give LA Galaxy and Beach DA teams is curious. With so many DA teams I am still unconvinced that the product is going to be better than ECNL. We will see. I know that I would have never considered LA Galaxy, LA Premier or Pats for that matter as a club. Beach is a solid option and they have a WPSL team which is a good option for the truly elite players.

I am curious to see how it all settles out. Good luck to you and yours.
 
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