Clubs have a responsibility too.. the league has a responsibility to protect the game.I think more parents should take a basic referee class so they at least know the rules (laws). A lot of griping would go away if parents understood handling, offside, advantage and referee discretion.
Poor parents/spectators/coaches/clubs. They are the real victims of bad officiating. Those bad teenagers who took the referee classes and spend their weekends time refereeing games are totally unprofessional. Instead of going to school and do other activities they should spend all their time learning the rules and go over video clips of their games minute by minute, and also learn from real professionals who do games in MLS, Premiere, and other leagues. After all they have decided to be a referee, right. And those adults who, somehow, decided that they can ref; what they are doing there. They should stay with their families and spend some quality time with spouses and kids. We need real pros to ref our kids games and if it will require more money we have no problems to add extra $50 for our season fees. After all our kids deserve better officiating.Clubs have a responsibility too.. the league has a responsibility to protect the game.
not everything is the parents fault. It’s like greed , club complacency and doing the bare minimum in standards are ok as long as we can blame the other kids parents.
Hold your leagues accountable! Stop blaming parents for everything!
https://contenthub-static.grammarly.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/verklempt-meaning.gifPoor parents/spectators/coaches/clubs. They are the real victims of bad officiating. Those bad teenagers who took the referee classes and spend their weekends time refereeing games are totally unprofessional. Instead of going to school and do other activities they should spend all their time learning the rules and go over video clips of their games minute by minute, and also learn from real professionals who do games in MLS, Premiere, and other leagues. After all they have decided to be a referee, right. And those adults who, somehow, decided that they can ref; what they are doing there. They should stay with their families and spend some quality time with spouses and kids. We need real pros to ref our kids games and if it will require more money we have no problems to add extra $50 for our season fees. After all our kids deserve better officiating.
Give me a break!!!
And if you that upset with officiating then send your kid to get a referee license and/or you can do better than that as go with your kid and get a referee license and start refereeing games.
Clubs have a responsibility too.. the league has a responsibility to protect the game.
not everything is the parents fault. It’s like greed , club complacency and doing the bare minimum in standards are ok as long as we can blame the other kids parents.
Hold your leagues accountable! Stop blaming parents for everything!
Agree. The expectation of quality refereeing in youth soccer is pretty bizarre TBH. Elite referees in the EPL with the benefit of VA still fup regularly, or make decisions that are then argued over because it could have gone another way ... maybe.Corporate greed?
Referees fall into two categories:
1- kids learning a first job.
2- middle aged guys who give up their weekend so kids can play.
Be glad they are willing to do it at all.
And, if you could do a better job, then please do.
On November 17, 2021, our office received the case from the Roseville Police Department after they concluded their investigation into the incident that occurred on October 30.
On November 19, 2021, after a thorough review of the case, the Placer County District Attorney’s Office charged Vicente Robles, 34, of Sacramento, with a violation of Penal Code Section 243.8 – Battery on a Sports Official. The arraignment date is set for December 8, 2021 in Department 30 of the Placer County Superior Court.
Morgan Gire
District Attorney
Placer County
Thanks Espola for that. Just curious, what sort of sentence/fines would that charge bring?
Corporate greed?
Referees fall into two categories:
1- kids learning a first job.
2- middle aged guys who give up their weekend so kids can play.
Be glad they are willing to do it at all.
And, if you could do a better job, then please do.
Poor parents/spectators/coaches/clubs. They are the real victims of bad officiating. Those bad teenagers who took the referee classes and spend their weekends time refereeing games are totally unprofessional. Instead of going to school and do other activities they should spend all their time learning the rules and go over video clips of their games minute by minute, and also learn from real professionals who do games in MLS, Premiere, and other leagues. After all they have decided to be a referee, right. And those adults who, somehow, decided that they can ref; what they are doing there. They should stay with their families and spend some quality time with spouses and kids. We need real pros to ref our kids games and if it will require more money we have no problems to add extra $50 for our season fees. After all our kids deserve better officiating.
Give me a break!!!
And if you that upset with officiating then send your kid to get a referee license and/or you can do better than that as go with your kid and get a referee license and start refereeing games.
In the bay area, we’ve forced most of those guys out into the central valley. You still see them at tournaments as travel refs.You missed one. At least in SoCal, particularly in coast, many of the referees are working class Latino stiffs. They did it to earn the extra (relatively tax free) cash and because if they worked a full shift it would be more profitable for the day than a regular weekend job. When I was reffing, my usual crew was a CR (my assigned mentor) who was a custodian during the week and who would give up watching her own kids to earn the cash (her sister would usually baby sit) and a guy who was an electrician.
All true (I've seen the same) but there's poor regulation because the leagues are afraid that if they crack down or require extra training they'll lose refs in an already tight market, and hiring supervisors costs money.The whole referee system in the leagues is a classic example of poor regulation from the top. No accountability and deflect the outrage from the root cause. The clubs and leagues need to manage the referees It’s a burden to the clubs and leagues.
I have seen refs get in the face of kids and threaten them, I have overheard refs make fun of kids on the fields. Until the club and league hold the standards higher this will continue.
How may refs are filing a 1099? Ask that question. It will go real quiet on the field.
He belongs on a treadmill, not soccer field sidelineAhh ... This brings back memories. For a short time I was a contract attorney for the Placer County Public Defender's office. I defended Preliminary Hearings in the Roseville annex of the court. If this had happened back then, I would have gotten Mr. Robles out of jail, and back on the fields where he belongs.
I am officiating games in Bay Area for almost 7 years. My 2 kids play soccer. Sometimes, we come and watch games with our friend's kids. I never observed behavior when referee would threaten kids or make fun of them. I don't even understand how it could be.The whole referee system in the leagues is a classic example of poor regulation from the top. No accountability and deflect the outrage from the root cause. The clubs and leagues need to manage the referees It’s a burden to the clubs and leagues.
I have seen refs get in the face of kids and threaten them, I have overheard refs make fun of kids on the fields. Until the club and league hold the standards higher this will continue.
How may refs are filing a 1099? Ask that question. It will go real quiet on the field.
Welll most Soccer players in my area don’t have that liberal Marin county money to afford good referees..So let me tell you what I knowI am officiating games in Bay Area for almost 7 years. My 2 kids play soccer. Sometimes, we come and watch games with our friend's kids. I never observed behavior when referee would threaten kids or make fun of them. I don't even understand how it could be.
Sometimes, you can see a referee, after a whistle, come and talk to a player addressing some dirty or dangers play and warn them not to do it again and that next time they can get yellow or red card. Is that what you call 'threatening player'?
Regarding filing a 1099. Do you know that, again, in Bay Area, referees don't get cash on hands anymore and they have to file W-9 in other to get paid. And if a referee get more than $600 in a year then it's going to be reported as non-employment income to the IRS.
So, please, don't say what you don't know.
And even if in some places referees still get some cash on hands you still don't say they don't report it to IRS as you wouldn't know that.
And, if you really want to address some issue with bad officiating you are aware of or witnessed while your kid was playing or etc. then please do it. Contact referee org like http://www.norcalreferees.com/contact_us/. Trust me every complain towards bad referee behavior or bad officiating will be investigated. And regardless of the shortage of referees they won't hesitate to address the issue in the right way.
Welll most Soccer players in my area don’t have that liberal Marin county money to afford good referees..So let me tell you what I know
Refs saying they are not going to finish the game until they get paid at half time… Cash transactions on the field.
Being from the Bay Area I guess you can afford the good refs..
Welll most Soccer players in my area don’t have that liberal Marin county money to afford good referees..So let me tell you what I know
Refs saying they are not going to finish the game until they get paid at half time… Cash transactions on the field.
Being from the Bay Area I guess you can afford the good refs..
I like the word "liberal".
It's very related to our soccer conversation.
Personally, I don't think there is a difference in quality of officiating between counties. Throughout my kids tournaments I've been in many different places and I can assure you referees are missing calls everywhere in the same way including the "liberal Marin county" (by the way, I am from East Bay).
But, In my opinion, it's up to clubs to make the difference in rising ugly situations in youth sport.
Working with parents and especially with coaches on what are the norms would help to bring those accidents to a very minimal. If a coach, before every single game, find two minutes go and talk to parents asking them remain calm when certain situation during the game can arise. And promise parents that every single case with bad officiating will be addressed and let them know the outcomes of it would really work.
And if a coach, before every single game, will go and ask parents to stay civil I am pretty sure coach himself/herself will be obligated to stay within the boundaries
You missed one. At least in SoCal, particularly in coast, many of the referees are working class Latino stiffs. They did it to earn the extra (relatively tax free) cash and because if they worked a full shift it would be more profitable for the day than a regular weekend job. When I was reffing, my usual crew was a CR (my assigned mentor) who was a custodian during the week and who would give up watching her own kids to earn the cash (her sister would usually baby sit) and a guy who was an electrician.