Opinions on todays transgender players?

I'm so happy that I clicked on show ignored to read this, because I needed the laugh.

Where does one find the gospel of Mother Nature? Is this a religious thing? Do you pray to her at night for guidance?

Sandshark should stick to giving those great blow jobs and quit trying to tell us what's "normal."
 
This is getting crazy.
IT IS NOT IN ANYWAY NORMAL! As a matter of fact it is against Mother Nature, .

O.k. I've largely stayed out of this S-show. I can honestly see both sides of the equation and don't think there are any easy answer-- on the one hand I see the value of diversity and inclusiveness especially when we are talking about something as mundane as a kids game, and on the other hand I can see the arguments about fairness and level playing field. But here's where I get off. The evidence is that for trans people that something biologically has happened....the science shows their brains are actually different....mother nature, in other words, did it to them....it's not a choice....anyone who thinks someone would chose to do that to themselves is kidding themselves because even a transition to the opposite gender is an imperfect solution for a very high cost. But that's what mother nature does....that what evolution is about....it varies people because it doesn't know what traits are more than likely to lead to the survival of the species....so people are different and why no one is "normal". I can start a list: the disabled, the alcoholic, the fat, the overly skinny, anyone with depression or anxiety issues, anyone who is too smart or too stupid, the LGBTQ, anyone who is overly athletic, anyone who is not athletic at all, anyone with an illness like heart disease asthma or diabeties, anyone with a learning disability, anyone who is poor, anyone who is rich and didn't inherit their money, and anyone with an overactive imagination or creativity. So I can accept that transgenderism itself is not "normal" if by that for anyone, any characteristic that deviates them from the standard median is not normal either (in other words, all those great DA soccer players are not "normal"). But guess what, Mother Nature is a b and everyone has something.
 
Thanks for sharing your thoughts... I don't disagree with the potential challenges you're describing... The International Olympic Committee has set rules governing this very issue in 2004, which I think are pretty fair, here's a brief synopsis:
  • They must have had gender reassignment surgery.
  • They must have legal recognition of their assigned gender.
  • They must have at least two years of hormone therapy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn...letes-have-an-unfair-advantage_b_4918835.html -- feel free to ignore the "opinion" piece of the article...

Now, if the *real* issue is the perception of unfair advantage gained as a result of biological advantages, those advantages are gained as a direct result of testosterone, which is what helps your body produce muscle. In a child that hasn't gone through puberty, the levels of testosterone are about the same in both boys & girls, which is probably largely you don't see much athletic differences between until they enter pre-puberty stage of their life. So, if that's the case (and there's science to prove that), this "unfair advantage" would not really exist until a certain age, right? Kids that are transitioning, are receiving Hormone Blockers (or Hormone Replacement Therapy in some cases?) to get them better aligned with hormone level appropriate for their target gender. IOC recommends 2 years of hormone therapy to counteract any real affect of hormones on the athlete...

Again, for kids hormones have not produced any advantage from physicality POV yet, and surgical re-assignment is not appropriate until later in life...

I do not see this being an issue of personal opinions or feelings, though those do influence all of our thought process. I've defended my position, thus far, from a social perspective, where I do believe that exclusion in this case is unfair for a number of reason... but back to addressing the specific concern of unfairness, do you think the IOC rules are unfair? If so, why? If not, why do you feel they wouldn't apply to this discussion? Would proof of hormone therapy in said child be enough to address your concerns?
That's a lot to address. I have to get my thoughts together first.
 
what's the goal here? I though it was to have a civil adult-like debate over a pretty sensitive topic... Instead of acting like adults w/ differing opinions this thread has resorted to debating tactics one is likely to see on a playground. If you have a different POV debate it, provide evidence that supports your position, and yes, please check that the evidence provided supports some notion of credibility. Opinion articles are not fact, they're opinion. Debating opinions as useful as [insert your favorite euphemism here]... It's easy to hit reply and blast someone else... If you don't have an immediate response, take an example from @Hdyldemapples -- take a moment, absorb the information provided, then offer a counter argument.

Grow up!
 
what's the goal here? I though it was to have a civil adult-like debate over a pretty sensitive topic... Instead of acting like adults w/ differing opinions this thread has resorted to debating tactics one is likely to see on a playground. If you have a different POV debate it, provide evidence that supports your position, and yes, please check that the evidence provided supports some notion of credibility. Opinion articles are not fact, they're opinion. Debating opinions as useful as [insert your favorite euphemism here]... It's easy to hit reply and blast someone else... If you don't have an immediate response, take an example from @Hdyldemapples -- take a moment, absorb the information provided, then offer a counter argument.

Grow up!


Ohhh GREAT someone pissed off the Soviete Union representative, now her Iron Curtains are in an up roar!
Honestly who in their right mind would name themselves after some POS country with the name of something like the Cold War or WW2 are you serious? You find those two events entertaining or funny enough to use that as your user name?
Go back the the 1940's you Commie Bastard!
 
Ohhh GREAT someone pissed off the Soviete Union representative, now her Iron Curtains are in an up roar!
Honestly who in their right mind would name themselves after some POS country with the name of something like the Cold War or WW2 are you serious? You find those two events entertaining or funny enough to use that as your user name?
Go back the the 1940's you Commie Bastard!

Russia was an Ally in WWII. Over 20 million Russians killed by Nazis.
 
Ohhh GREAT someone pissed off the Soviete Union representative, now her Iron Curtains are in an up roar!
Honestly who in their right mind would name themselves after some POS country with the name of something like the Cold War or WW2 are you serious? You find those two events entertaining or funny enough to use that as your user name?
Go back the the 1940's you Commie Bastard!
Why do you assume I'm a "she"?
And thank you proving my point, now stop stumping your feet, get up off the ground, dust your self off and go play nice w/ the other children! There's room for you in the sandbox, if you play nice...
 
They were only an Ally in that they wanted Hitler dead, but they did not trust us or even like us and the feelings were mutual. We as countries have never liked or trusted one another at any time in history!
And the question still stands..why are you the "Iron Curtain"
 
They were only an Ally in that they wanted Hitler dead, but they did not trust us or even like us and the feelings were mutual. We as countries have never liked or trusted one another at any time in history!
What about when Rocky fought Drago. At the end we all loved each other. Life lesson.
 
They were only an Ally in that they wanted Hitler dead, but they did not trust us or even like us and the feelings were mutual. We as countries have never liked or trusted one another at any time in history!
And the question still stands..why are you the "Iron Curtain"

Trump seems to like and trust the Russians!
 
They were only an Ally in that they wanted Hitler dead, but they did not trust us or even like us and the feelings were mutual. We as countries have never liked or trusted one another at any time in history!
And the question still stands..why are you the "Iron Curtain"
Is this for real? I'll provide the answer to your "must know" question, if you can provide a rational reason why it matters?

BTW, if you're going to make claims like "at any time in history" you should consider doing some homework -- 100 years does not make ever in history... https://www.state.gov/p/eur/ci/rs/200years/

Also, not really sure why I'm even bothering at this point...
 
Lots of interesting commentary....I think everybody is done....can a mod call a tie and shut this down. Everyone wins....everyone loses....very interesting perspectives all the way around.
 
I think the Iron Curtain is Vladimir Putin and he is spying on the most in the "know" part of American society <SOCCER PARENTS> they run the USA, they know it all> they are all CRAZY AMERICANS!
Notice Iron Curtains is refusing to answer the question on why she finds the name Iron Curtain to be funny? Go away you dam Commie Spy!
 
I think the Iron Curtain is Vladimir Putin and he is spying on the most in the "know" part of American society <SOCCER PARENTS> they run the USA, they know it all> they are all CRAZY AMERICANS!
Notice Iron Curtains is refusing to answer the question on why she finds the name Iron Curtain to be funny? Go away you dam Commie Spy!
"She" is a "he", and has never been a "she"... I find it amazing how all of a sudden my user name is the topic of the conversation. I'm not answering cause I don't think you deserve to be answered. Keep on trolling...
 
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