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tjinaz said:
OK.. so.. you keep missing my point. But.. I'm the simple one. I am not against the 1st amendment nor am I against BLM there are injustices that need to be corrected. What I am saying is they need to reign in their fringes. What good does publicly attacking Lin Manuel Miranda do? Do they not think he is onboard with what they are trying to do? Is he not an ally? That was the point of the letter. I doubt you can find one signer of that letter that does not agree with 95% of the cause. What they and I disagree with is the constant escalation. People fighting to show how they are more dedicated to the cause and are now attacking people who would be allies because the did not meet their standard. It started with taking down some confederate statues.. ok i get it not sure I agree but in the moment sure. Now its escalated to Columbus statues and statues of any random white guy like Hans Christian Heg in Wisc. Does that help the cause? Do you think the takeover in Seattle helped the cause? The similarity in the Cultural Revolution is not the 1st amendment it is the constant escalation and groups fighting to be the most dedicated while disparaging those that feel the same but are not "righteous" enough to meet their ever higher standard. This path keeps going and all the momentum will shift and they will alienate the mainstream people that will get them the change they want.
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Why haven’t the “mainstream” folks that you’re referring to done absolutely nothing in support of the cause for the past 400 years? What would you recommend disenfranchised black folks do that they haven’t already done in the past 400 years? Isn’t true, that you have a problem with the equality of blacks and will attack ANY method used to attain equality for blacks?
 
MacDre said:
Why haven’t the “mainstream” folks that you’re referring to done absolutely nothing in support of the cause for the past 400 years? What would you recommend disenfranchised black folks do that they haven’t already done in the past 400 years? Isn’t true, that you have a problem with the equality of blacks and will attack ANY method used to attain equality for blacks?
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Actually this time it looks like this may be the chance. What I am saying is don't blow it by going over the top.
 
MacDre said:
Why haven’t the “mainstream” folks that you’re referring to done absolutely nothing in support of the cause for the past 400 years? What would you recommend disenfranchised black folks do that they haven’t already done in the past 400 years? Isn’t true, that you have a problem with the equality of blacks and will attack ANY method used to attain equality for blacks?
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That is funny... I seem to recall a whole bunch of mainstream folks in blue uniforms buried at Gettysburg. But lets not talk about that you are on a roll.
 
tjinaz said:
Actually this time it looks like this may be the chance. What I am saying is don't blow it by going over the top.
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How is it going over the top if the claims are legitimate? Again, it appears you have a problem with equality for blacks and would take issue with ANY method used to attain equality.
However since you seem to be the subject matter expert on keeping blacks folks in their place. Could you please explain to me how exactly blacks folks should act and the point at which they go over the top? Please?
 
tjinaz said:
OK.. so.. you keep missing my point. But.. I'm the simple one. I am not against the 1st amendment nor am I against BLM there are injustices that need to be corrected. What I am saying is they need to reign in their fringes. What good does publicly attacking Lin Manuel Miranda do? Do they not think he is onboard with what they are trying to do? Is he not an ally? That was the point of the letter. I doubt you can find one signer of that letter that does not agree with 95% of the cause. What they and I disagree with is the constant escalation. People fighting to show how they are more dedicated to the cause and are now attacking people who would be allies because the did not meet their standard. It started with taking down some confederate statues.. ok i get it not sure I agree but in the moment sure. Now its escalated to Columbus statues and statues of any random white guy like Hans Christian Heg in Wisc. Does that help the cause? Do you think the takeover in Seattle helped the cause? The similarity in the Cultural Revolution is not the 1st amendment it is the constant escalation and groups fighting to be the most dedicated while disparaging those that feel the same but are not "righteous" enough to meet their ever higher standard. This path keeps going and all the momentum will shift and they will alienate the mainstream people that will get them the change they want.
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I get your point loud and clear. You don’t want people to say things you don’t want to hear or do things you don’t want them to do, it’s that simple. You think people doing and saying what you don’t like “need to reign it in”. Well, no, they don’t, you don’t control them and they won’t do what you want. In fact, they’ll probably do it more because clearly you haven’t gotten their point yet and, since you never will, why not make you hurt. It doesn’t matter that you disagree with anyone’s methods, no one “needs to reign it in” and no one will until people like you look beyond disagreement with their methods to the legitimate reasons so many people are engaging in them, and then do something to fix it, like maybe not voting for racists or those who support police brutality.

Your Lin Manual Miranda nonsense is just a red herring to try to convince those in favor of the 1st Amendment that they shouldn’t be by pointing out how free speech impacts someone we like overall. Lin Manual Miranda is perfectly fine with people expressing their 1st Amendment rights. That’s the 1st Amendment for you; sometimes you hear things you don’t like. And sometimes you write the best musical in history and millions of people expressing their love for you easily outweigh the few who critique it. Complaining that no one should question anything Miranda says because they’re “allies” is a really stupid thing to say; you’re just lumping people into two overly simplistic groups, liberal v. dotard republican, and that is part of the problem. People are a lot more nuanced and Lin Manual Miranda is not the final arbiter of what is right. If he were, his in person tongue lashing of Mike “the homophobe religious freak” Pence would have settled things. But if you still believe this is a war of left v. right in which everyone on each side must believe exactly the same thing lock step, check out the absolute carnage the Lincoln Project is causing with its Republican on Republican free speech violence.

And yes, causing trouble and breaking things works. Since people recently started burning down liquor stores and tearing down statues, a lot has happened that otherwise would not have. Bad cops have been charged with with crimes and many others have been fired. Many police departments are taking action with respect to past abuses that can no longer be swept under the rug and forgotten. A massive movement to change how law enforcement operates is underway. Mississippi ditched the confederate flag. The Lincoln Project is absolutely destroying politicians who’ve come down on the side of police brutality and glorifying monuments to racism. Actions like tearing down GW statues has moved the goalposts from whether to take down racist monuments and whether it’s ok for police to murder black people to “ok we finally get that maybe these statues are wrong and cops shouldn’t murder people, but please recognize that GW and Jefferson weren’t 100% vile pieces of s**t or completely eliminate law enforcement.” I cringe when a GW statue comes down, but I also understand the legitimate reasons that people are upset and want to do it.
 
MacDre said:
How is it going over the top if the claims are legitimate? Again, it appears you have a problem with equality for blacks and would take issue with ANY method used to attain equality.
However since you seem to be the subject matter expert on keeping blacks folks in their place. Could you please explain to me how exactly blacks folks should act and the point at which they go over the top? Please?
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You seem to be doing a good job of rising above, breaking the stereotype and giving back. I would use you as a pretty solid starting point.
I support BLM to a large extent. Would like to see the organization do more to address the black on black violence as a part of changing the narrative.

Unfortunately many (of All races) have used the BLM movement as an excuse to do bad things that don’t help the cause.
 
Kicker4Life said:
You seem to be doing a good job of rising above, breaking the stereotype and giving back. I would use you as a pretty solid starting point.
I support BLM to a large extent. Would like to see the organization do more to address the black on black violence as a part of changing the narrative.

Unfortunately many (of All races) have used the BLM movement as an excuse to do bad things that don’t help the cause.
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I think BLM is addressing black on black crime by attacking white supremacy and many of the lies to promote great white men in school. White kids go to school and learn that they come from greatness and are empowered. On the other hand blacks learn that our history starts with slavery and we were considered 3/5 of a person. University studies show an unwillingness of corporations to higher black men and this is a major contributor to black on black crime.

I mentioned earlier that I was a founding board member of KIPP Bayview Academy. On the 4th of July I lost a smart kid with a bright future. His name was Jace.
I put my ears to the street and the streets talk. Within hours, I knew who the triggerman was. The community talks to people they trust. AND BLM is working on police reform because over policing the community is also another root cause of black on black crime.

Finally, I think it’s really fucked up that many folks are saying I agree with BLM but think they should focus on black on black crime. First, I would invite you to look at the Black Panther Party which started in Oakland so you can better understand how we got here; and Second BLM is an organization with a mission to stop police brutality not black on black crime. Why do you expect BLM to advocate for something that’s not part of their mission? Should the American Cancer Society start advocating for folks with diabetes or blindness?
IDK @Kicker4Life, the whole I wish they could focus more on black on black crimes seems like more of the “institutionalized racism” the protests and riots are meant to address.
 
MacDre said:
I think BLM is addressing black on black crime by attacking white supremacy and many of the lies to promote great white men in school. White kids go to school and learn that they come from greatness and are empowered. On the other hand blacks learn that our history starts with slavery and we were considered 3/5 of a person. University studies show an unwillingness of corporations to higher black men and this is a major contributor to black on black crime.

I mentioned earlier that I was a founding board member of KIPP Bayview Academy. On the 4th of July I lost a smart kid with a bright future. His name was Jace.
I put my ears to the street and the streets talk. Within hours, I knew who the triggerman was. The community talks to people they trust. AND BLM is working on police reform because over policing the community is also another root cause of black on black crime.

Finally, I think it’s really fucked up that many folks are saying I agree with BLM but think they should focus on black on black crime. First, I would invite you to look at the Black Panther Party which started in Oakland so you can better understand how we got here; and Second BLM is an organization with a mission to stop police brutality not black on black crime. Why do you expect BLM to advocate for something that’s not part of their mission? Should the American Cancer Society start advocating for folks with diabetes or blindness?
IDK @Kicker4Life, the whole I wish they could focus more on black on black crimes seems like more of the “institutionalized racism” the protests and riots are meant to address.
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Just address it and denounce it. Not focus on it.
 
MacDre said:
So do movies, porn, and books etc...I don’t see your point. How do you distinguish rap music from a R rated movie?
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I'm not aware of any black kids getting themselves shot, because they aspire to be gangsters, due to porn, books or Bad Boys 2. And those all have variations... where RAP is NOTHING BUT emulated violence that glorifies the behavior.
 
MacDre said:
How is it going over the top if the claims are legitimate? Again, it appears you have a problem with equality for blacks and would take issue with ANY method used to attain equality.
However since you seem to be the subject matter expert on keeping blacks folks in their place. Could you please explain to me how exactly blacks folks should act and the point at which they go over the top? Please?
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Method used to attain equality? How about these: value education, obey laws, respect elders and work hard. Have black folks tried any of those? I left out murder, theft and vandalism because some folks just seem to one with their talents.
 
"And yes, causing trouble and breaking things works. Since people recently started burning down liquor stores and tearing down statues, a lot has happened that otherwise would not have."

Yeah... a couple of morons allowed hoodrats to graffiti the street with "BLACK LIVES MATTER" to quell the violent savages. 4 days later, someone with a brain painted over it. Meanwhile, hard working, law abiding black people either lost their businesses or place of employment.

Yeah... some REAL progress for the ferals.
 
MacDre said:
I think BLM is addressing black on black crime by attacking white supremacy and many of the lies to promote great white men in school. White kids go to school and learn that they come from greatness and are empowered. On the other hand blacks learn that our history starts with slavery and we were considered 3/5 of a person. University studies show an unwillingness of corporations to higher black men and this is a major contributor to black on black crime.

I mentioned earlier that I was a founding board member of KIPP Bayview Academy. On the 4th of July I lost a smart kid with a bright future. His name was Jace.
I put my ears to the street and the streets talk. Within hours, I knew who the triggerman was. The community talks to people they trust. AND BLM is working on police reform because over policing the community is also another root cause of black on black crime.

Finally, I think it’s really fucked up that many folks are saying I agree with BLM but think they should focus on black on black crime. First, I would invite you to look at the Black Panther Party which started in Oakland so you can better understand how we got here; and Second BLM is an organization with a mission to stop police brutality not black on black crime. Why do you expect BLM to advocate for something that’s not part of their mission? Should the American Cancer Society start advocating for folks with diabetes or blindness?
IDK @Kicker4Life, the whole I wish they could focus more on black on black crimes seems like more of the “institutionalized racism” the protests and riots are meant to address.
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Who cares what lies are happening in school? These hoodrats are kicked out by the time any real curriculum happens. And did that stop YOU from doing something positive? Jesus Christ... nothing but excuses 24/7. BLM isn't working on police reform. BLM isn't working on JACK SHIT. BLM cares about making it okay for black men to abandon their families and berate cops for holding ferals accountable. Keep sending welfare money to these hoes that get paid by the fatherless child. Taxpayers foot the bill from cradle-incarceration-grave. If mama is lucky, she kept some cap and gown photos from the 4th grade graduation and can get some ghetto lottery payout from LoQuavius being shot because he punched a cop in the face after stealing a car, smashing into 4 others trying to get away, jumping 10 fences and finally being dragged out of the woods by a dog.

Police aren't the problem... black crime is the problem. I don't see a Latinos Lives Matter. No Asian Lives Matter. Your race is the problem.
 
The Outlaw said:
Who cares what lies are happening in school? These hoodrats are kicked out by the time any real curriculum happens. And did that stop YOU from doing something positive? Jesus Christ... nothing but excuses 24/7. BLM isn't working on police reform. BLM isn't working on JACK SHIT. BLM cares about making it okay for black men to abandon their families and berate cops for holding ferals accountable. Keep sending welfare money to these hoes that get paid by the fatherless child. Taxpayers foot the bill from cradle-incarceration-grave. If mama is lucky, she kept some cap and gown photos from the 4th grade graduation and can get some ghetto lottery payout from LoQuavius being shot because he punched a cop in the face after stealing a car, smashing into 4 others trying to get away, jumping 10 fences and finally being dragged out of the woods by a dog.

Police aren't the problem... black crime is the problem. I don't see a Latinos Lives Matter. No Asian Lives Matter. Your race is the problem.
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Preach brotha!
 
MacDre said:
Preach brotha!
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You know what the ironic part is, Dre? Between me and you in charge of the black race, I'd save more of their lives.

Continuing to tell blacks they're just victims, like Obama did, increased nothing but regression, crime and death. Fucking Barry and Big Mike wouldn't even MOVE back to Chicago after that. Now they're living in 93% white Martha's Vineyard. They couldn't GET any further away from black people.

LMAO!
 
The Outlaw said:
You know what the ironic part is, Dre? Between me and you in charge of the black race, I'd save more of their lives.

Continuing to tell blacks they're just victims, like Obama did, increased nothing but regression, crime and death. Fucking Barry and Big Mike wouldn't even MOVE back to Chicago after that. Now they're living in 93% white Martha's Vineyard. They couldn't GET any further away from black people.

LMAO!
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Maybe you’re correct. Let me hear it. What is your plan to save black lives?
 
MacDre said:
Maybe you’re correct. Let me hear it. What is your plan to save black lives?
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I know I'm correct.

I'd save lives by keeping them in jail when they've proven themselves to be career criminals. That goes for every race, but specifically your pals Rayshard Brooks and George Floyd. If they were in prison, where both belonged, they'd still be alive.
 
The Outlaw said:
I know I'm correct.

I'd save lives by keeping them in jail when they've proven themselves to be career criminals. That goes for every race, but specifically your pals Rayshard Brooks and George Floyd. If they were in prison, where both belonged, they'd still be alive.
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So you’re promoting a plan similar to 3 strikes which has already been implemented and failed. Brilliant. Anything else?
 
MacDre said:
So you’re promoting a plan similar to 3 strikes which has already been implemented and failed. Brilliant. Anything else?
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3 strikes didn't fail. Stop and frisk didn't fail. The problem is black people think, once they serve time for an offense, that offense should just go away forever. That priors should have no bearing on anything. Had these 2 morons still been in jail, instead of beating women, children and passing fake money while driving under the influence of a trio of drugs, they'd be alive.

Some folks just can't play by the rules and they belong in concrete cages. Frankly, I'd build more cemeteries than prisons, but I'm one of those crazy guys that believes a law abiding, productive citizen's rights are more important than those of the violent felon.
 
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