No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!

Justafan said:
Go show that article to your kids’ teachers.
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No need to. My kids Catholic School admin and teachers are excellent and committed to the students. They were fully prepared to safely reopen had it not been for the scourge of unions and Democrats.
 
MicPaPa said:
No need to. My kids Catholic School admin and teachers are excellent and committed to the students. They were fully prepared to safely reopen had it not been for the scourge of unions and Democrats.
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My son's high school (private) sent out an email to parents yesterday saying they intend to push back against the governor's order and do everything they can to be able to open on time. They have had students on-site safely since mid-June for summer school.

I wish them the best of luck. But not sure I want my son to play the role of Brian Moreland

 
justneededaname said:
My son's high school (private) sent out an email to parents yesterday saying they intend to push back against the governor's order and do everything they can to be able to open on time. They have had students on-site safely since mid-June for summer school.

I wish them the best of luck. But not sure I want my son to play the role of Brian Moreland

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Time parents push back as well.
 
Apparently our wonderful Governor forgot to mention that there is an exemption for elementary schools but I am not sure whether that is just a carrot to ease people into the idea that all are doomed
 
Fact said:
Apparently our wonderful Governor forgot to mention that there is an exemption for elementary schools but I am not sure whether that is just a carrot to ease people into the idea that all are doomed
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As mentioned above you have to apply for a waiver for elementary schools. It's in a footnote that's how hard they are trying to bury it. I posted the document earlier. County health has to sign off and the state gets a veto. Public school districts that have already announced closures won't be using it. Charter schools and private schools might, but the documentation they are requiring is very steep and you can only get it right now if you have basically a physician vouching for the school. My son's elementary school was promised by county health that they could reopen (and told the parents that they would reopen based on that assurance) but now they are being told they have to go through the process of applying for this waiver and the paperwork is daunting. So it's unclear how much of a window this really is, and the unions will fight private and charters using it because they don't want to be lectured why are you closed but x y z is open.

I hear a few of the boarding schools and one very elite private high school is Los Angeles are trying to push through special exemptions for themselves, but you have the same issue.....if they grant the waiver for these favored few lots of private schools will then complain "how about me ".
 
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Grace T. said:
As mentioned above you have to apply for a waiver for elementary schools. It's in a footnote that's how hard they are trying to bury it. I posted the document earlier. County health has to sign off and the state gets a veto. Public school districts that have already announced closures won't be using it. Charter schools and private schools might, but the documentation they are requiring is very steep and you can only get it right now if you have basically a physician vouching for the school. My son's elementary school was promised by county health that they could reopen (and told the parents that they would reopen based on that assurance) but now they are being told they have to go through the process of applying for this waiver and the paperwork is daunting. So it's unclear how much of a window this really is, and the unions will fight private and charters using it because they don't want to be lectured why are you closed but x y z is open.

I hear a few of the boarding schools and one very elite private high school is Los Angeles are trying to push through special exemptions for themselves, but you have the same issue.....if they grant the waiver for these favored few lots of private schools will then complain "how about me ".
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I should have known that you were on top of this...good luck
 
Fact said:
Apparently our wonderful Governor forgot to mention that there is an exemption for elementary schools but I am not sure whether that is just a carrot to ease people into the idea that all are doomed
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its for private schools like the ones his kids go to that can afford mitigation meassures, good luck getting teachers unions on board for public schools.

edsource.org

California districts can seek waiver for elementary schools from ban on in-school instruction

County health directors would decide whether to allow small groups of students into schools or open up districts in remote corners of counties.
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I was sent a copy of the lawsuit against Governor Newsom to force him to reopen the school. It sets out 5 grounds. 2 of the grounds are going no where: they cite due process....the argument has been beaten back in other lawsuits elsewhere and isn't going anywhere in blue California. 2 of the grounds are interesting but aren't going to open up the schools (they could just get more robust support to these groups): discrimination against those with disabilities and disparate impact on minority communities. But he has a problem with one of the grounds they are citing...equal protection. The crux of the argument is he is leaving day care centers and the summer camps (already authorized) alone and there's no rationale basis to distinguish between these activites (where there can be similar transmission) and those in schools. He didn't even given them the opportunity to go outside only like some camps. I think there's something to this claim....at least under California law....might force him to also shut day care in the fall...with summer camps rendered moot but don't think winter camps will happen then. It also makes it much less likely the restrictions on youth sports can be lifted (because it will give more fuel to the fire). The problem for the lawsuit is they are unlikely to get an injunction in blue California so getting to a hearing will take time. But there is a vulnerability there and I think the vulnerability is enough to prevent the reopening of youth sports so long as schools are closed.
 
Grace T. said:
I was sent a copy of the lawsuit against Governor Newsom to force him to reopen the school. It sets out 5 grounds. 2 of the grounds are going no where: they cite due process....the argument has been beaten back in other lawsuits elsewhere and isn't going anywhere in blue California. 2 of the grounds are interesting but aren't going to open up the schools (they could just get more robust support to these groups): discrimination against those with disabilities and disparate impact on minority communities. But he has a problem with one of the grounds they are citing...equal protection. The crux of the argument is he is leaving day care centers and the summer camps (already authorized) alone and there's no rationale basis to distinguish between these activites (where there can be similar transmission) and those in schools. He didn't even given them the opportunity to go outside only like some camps. I think there's something to this claim....at least under California law....might force him to also shut day care in the fall...with summer camps rendered moot but don't think winter camps will happen then. It also makes it much less likely the restrictions on youth sports can be lifted (because it will give more fuel to the fire). The problem for the lawsuit is they are unlikely to get an injunction in blue California so getting to a hearing will take time. But there is a vulnerability there and I think the vulnerability is enough to prevent the reopening of youth sports so long as schools are closed.
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Students are legally required to attend school, but not day care or summer camp. If they want to risk their lives voluntarily, that’s one thing. But when the options for many children who lack the ability to home school is either die of coronavirus or go to jail if you don’t, you have a rational basis. But just give children the option of attending online or in person you say? That is simply cost prohibitive for most schools, so more rational basis. Online is also not financially possible for many students who lack access to online resources which, ironically, would be the real equal protection problem.

Primary education is also fundamentally different than summer camp and day care. It is critically important that it be done right to the full extent possible, and splitting finite resources between online and in person screws everyone because they’re both half a**sed. I also have doubts about summer camp especially being a real issue since everyone is essentially similarly situated in that they get online school but no summer camp. It’s a little like a kid claiming there’s an equal protection problem because kids must attend school online but he can’t legally drink beer.

The scope is also much different in a way that makes the risk of transmission - and to a much larger group of people - monumentally higher. We would be looking at hundreds of thousands of more cases and six figure death increases if schools reopen, which is about as rational basis as it gets
 
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