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espola said:
Summarizing -- they're good if you are a bad shot, they're pretty, they're light, and they might jam.

Would you like another try?
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I'm all for folks being good shots...every gun I have is "pretty"... as I get older rifle weight is something to consider...I've seen bolt & lever actions jam.

...the semi-auto action is more likely to malfunction than simpler action designs.
With proper maintenance and ammunition selection (not to mention practice), this con can be almost totally mitigated.

If you do choose to use an AR-15 on your next deer hunt, you won’t be alone. According to a 2014 survey of hunters by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, 27% reported having used an AR-15 to hunt, and 58% of those used one in the last year. Given the continuing rise in sales of AR-type rifles, the percentage today is likely much higher.

That should shut you up...
 
Lion Eyes said:
I'm all for folks being good shots...every gun I have is "pretty"... as I get older rifle weight is something to consider...I've seen bolt & lever actions jam.

...the semi-auto action is more likely to malfunction than simpler action designs.
With proper maintenance and ammunition selection (not to mention practice), this con can be almost totally mitigated.

If you do choose to use an AR-15 on your next deer hunt, you won’t be alone. According to a 2014 survey of hunters by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, 27% reported having used an AR-15 to hunt, and 58% of those used one in the last year. Given the continuing rise in sales of AR-type rifles, the percentage today is likely much higher.

That should shut you up...
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" bagged ammo I bought from a gun show "?

 
espola said:
Jammed bolt action is one of (select more than one if necessary)

-cheap ammo
-cheap gun
-someone I would not want to hunt with
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" I've seen bolt & lever actions jam."
Reloads that were over crimped is what I've witnessed.
I've never had a problem with my lever action Browning 308
I always run reloads through the chamber before hunting...I find that eliminates jambs in the field.

Did you have a question or are you still confused?
 
Lion Eyes said:
" I've seen bolt & lever actions jam."
Reloads that were over crimped is what I've witnessed.
I've never had a problem with my lever action Browning 308
I always run reloads through the chamber before hunting...I find that eliminates jambs in the field.

Did you have a question or are you still confused?
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Here's a question -- why do you think I am the one who is confused?
 
espola said:
Here's a question -- why do you think I am the one who is confused?
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Here's another opinion, just to add to your confusion --

www.cnn.com

Opinion: Here's the reason people tell me they want to buy an AR-15. And it's simply ludicrous | CNN

No weapon has been more in the public eye than the AR-15, in large part because of the tragic role it has played in some of this country's deadliest shootings, former DC police officer Michael Fanone writes. Fanone, who owns one of the weapons, writes that the AR-15 has the dubious distinction...
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
espola said:
Don Jr. shows off his bear gun --

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Gun lobby takes aim at Obama shooting photo

Barry Obama showing off his clay pigeon form....
What now Magoo?
 
In another strange twist of the story, now biker gangs are interfering with reporters on the scene in Uvalde. The bikers have told reporters that they are doing it at the request of the police.

www.cnn.com

Bikers confront reporters in Uvalde | CNN Business

Executive Editor of San Antonio Express-News Nora Lopez describes the moment when bikers confronted the outlet's photographers while reporting in Uvalde.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
espola said:
Jammed bolt action is one of (select more than one if necessary)

-cheap ammo
-cheap gun
-someone I would not want to hunt with
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Your lack of knowledge comes through again.

People buy the cheap ammo to go to the range or just out shooting with.

When you hunt you buy hunting ammo.
 
Desert Hound said:
They dont make you any better or worse of a shot.

You may be referring to a follow up shot since they are semi auto. There have been other semi auto rifles that are not AR based on the market for decades.
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BAR

24. Browning BAR Safari in .338 Win. (BOSS)
Browning BAR Safari in .338 Win. (BOSS)
MSRP: $1,500
Chambered for some heavy-hitting, long-range calibers, including the .270 WSM, 7mm Rem. 7mm WSM, .300 Win. Mag,. .338 Win. Mag., Browning’s BAR Safari models are a long-standing favorite of big-game AR hunters. The Safari, some would say, is not only Browning’s best BAR, but among the world’s premier gas-operated autoloaders. The Safari features an engraved, forged steel receiver and a genuine walnut stock and forearm with a diamond pattern cut checkering. All metal is highly polished and deep luster blued, and the wood has a beautiful high gloss finish.

Advantages:
Many say the Safari shoots as accurately as Browning's ultra-accurate A Bolt and X Bolt rifles. The Safari's BOSS (Ballistic Optimizing Shooting System) enhances accuracy and reduces recoil by a third. At 8.6 pounds and 45 inches long (including its 24-inch barrel), the Safari in .338 Win. is not only knock-down lethal for big game hunting, but fast enough for targeting varmints in a fast-shooting environment. —J.H.
 
Desert Hound said:
Your lack of knowledge comes through again.

People buy the cheap ammo to go to the range or just out shooting with.

When you hunt you buy hunting ammo.
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I will concede that your knowledge is broader than mine because I have never known anyone who buys cheap ammo. it's likely to destroy your aim, your weapon, and your reputation.

Also-- in my limited experience, the reason for going to the range is to sight your weapon in so that you are more likely to get a first-shot kill. Using different ammo for the range and the field defeats the purpose.

Tournament shooters load their own rounds so that they will have confidence that every shot will be pretty much like all the others.

But what do I know?
 
Desert Hound said:
They dont make you any better or worse of a shot.

You may be referring to a follow up shot since they are semi auto. There have been other semi auto rifles that are not AR based on the market for decades.
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The opportunity for a quick follow-up shot is the only advantage cited in LE's AR-15 gospel. Paraphrasing my brother-in-law (who is always quick to dig some venison steaks out of the freezer when I come to visit -- I think he is subtly bragging), if you don't hit it on the first shot you are not going to see it for a week.
 
Lion Eyes said:
BAR

24. Browning BAR Safari in .338 Win. (BOSS)
Browning BAR Safari in .338 Win. (BOSS)
MSRP: $1,500
Chambered for some heavy-hitting, long-range calibers, including the .270 WSM, 7mm Rem. 7mm WSM, .300 Win. Mag,. .338 Win. Mag., Browning’s BAR Safari models are a long-standing favorite of big-game AR hunters. The Safari, some would say, is not only Browning’s best BAR, but among the world’s premier gas-operated autoloaders. The Safari features an engraved, forged steel receiver and a genuine walnut stock and forearm with a diamond pattern cut checkering. All metal is highly polished and deep luster blued, and the wood has a beautiful high gloss finish.

Advantages:
Many say the Safari shoots as accurately as Browning's ultra-accurate A Bolt and X Bolt rifles. The Safari's BOSS (Ballistic Optimizing Shooting System) enhances accuracy and reduces recoil by a third. At 8.6 pounds and 45 inches long (including its 24-inch barrel), the Safari in .338 Win. is not only knock-down lethal for big game hunting, but fast enough for targeting varmints in a fast-shooting environment. —J.H.
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It's interesting to note that the accuracy is compared to bolt-action rifles.
 
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