Let Them Play CA

Grace T. said:
All true.

But you were trying to ascribe blame for the outbreak to socialization. Yes, it contributed to an increase. The indoor dining didn't because of the dining being closed. What's driving the current outbreak is work.

And it's not just the 1 contact at the chicken processing plants. It's the guy raising the chicken with his staff, the guy delivering the chickens to the processor, the chicken processing plant (all of whom are working in masks BTW), the sandwich truck feeding the processors during lunch, the guy delivering the chickens to the factory, the factory that prepackages the chicken in the 11 herbs and spices, the guy delivering the finished chicken to the restaurant, the chicken restaurant staff, and the clueless guy that walks up to the counter and asks what's good here. These folks then go home, including to some families with grandma watching the kids (who aren't in school) so that they can go to work. Meanwhile, we're all here being key board warriors (while not practicing law or teaching math) and wondering why we are having outbreaks....not to mention that these guys are probably socializing while having a cigarette break given they don't have a Tom Cruise to rant at them.
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Socialization IS a major cause. Also totally avoidable. Just meet people outside and wear masks. Or play online games and talk over discord/zoom.

The other change is that socal has a new variant. Went from 0% in late summer to 50% of cases today. (Likely more contagious.) Today's NYT.
 
EOTL said:
I see. When you say “contextualize”, you mean just “make s**t up and hope I don’t get called out for it”. How ‘bout you “contextualize” to us how the governor “passed” a marijuana law that benefited him personally? Or are we back to talking about his dining habits since you were lying about the marijuana thing?

Seriously, you lied that Newsom “passed a law” which is such a ridiculous lie because it is impossible. Once I explained why what you are saying is a lie and impossible, you labeled it “contextualizing”. Then, in the very same post you claim that “to think you know when you do not is a disease” without even realizing you are talking about yourself? This is so great. When can I expect more lying, er, “contextualizing”?
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California Governor Gavin Newsom signed into law four cannabis bills that will directly impact the state-legal marijuana industry. AB1525 and SB 67

If you look up Newsoms “good friend” and by chance also his campaign advisor, Jason Kinney, whose firm California Strategies had many partnerships with marijuana business’...Now Axiom Advisors, who Kinney is registered as a lobbyist for, and WeedMaps were big proponents of Prop 64.

Boy, those lobbyists have such an important role...didn’t you say something about how important they are. But of course Newsom was not doing any of that for himself. That was all for the People.
 
Cruzer said:
'Not all of us' What? Want to be social? You must not be human or you are an introvert. That's on you and no one else. Humans, at our core, are social beings.

Stop lumping people into your narrative, some people are hypocrites, and others are worse. I can care less about the federal government and its infection rate. I care about my family and friends. The fact is, the virus doesn't care about politics.
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Not all of us are socializing indoors during the pandemic. I thought that was clear.

The virus doesn't care about politics. But, if you let Fox News convince you that indoor gatherings are safe, the virus will use the opportunity you created.
 
Cruzer said:
'Not all of us' What? Want to be social? You must not be human or you are an introvert. That's on you and no one else. Humans, at our core, are social beings.

Stop lumping people into your narrative, some people are hypocrites, and others are worse. I can care less about the federal government and its infection rate. I care about my family and friends. The fact is, the virus doesn't care about politics.
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He's a math guy. High es are not typically attracted to math...high es tend to be attracted towards subjects having to do with people. While it's a generalization and not true all math types are introverts, it's a good bet he's lower on the e scale than the average person. He's also in education. People who enter education generally tend to be more risk adverse. While it's a generalizationa and not true all teachers are scared of their own shadow, it's a good bet he is more risk adverse than the typical person. So if I were to guess, given who he is, it's probably hard for him to understand the scope of the problem for most people.

dad4 said:
Socialization IS a major cause. Also totally avoidable. Just meet people outside and wear masks. Or play online games and talk over discord/zoom.

The other change is that socal has a new variant. Went from 0% in late summer to 50% of cases today. (Likely more contagious.) Today's NYT.
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As I was saying....

p.s. if the variant were the driver LA County would be continuing to rise....it's not....at worst it might be plateaued slightly below the height....it's seasonality which is driving this thing, and the zip codes getting hit hardest are the ones that are working. Once again, it's an illusion to think we can actually control this thing. If you are fortunate enough to work from home, don't care about having your kids locked up, and are a low enough e that not socializing isn't a big deal, you might very well avoid getting it....but it's not a model that can be replicated across families. Besides, if I'm being forced to work in a chicken plant 12/7 and my buddy asks me to share a beer after work (who I've been standing shoulder to shoulder for the last 8 hours) am I really going to say no?
 
soccersc said:
California Governor Gavin Newsom signed into law four cannabis bills that will directly impact the state-legal marijuana industry. AB1525 and SB 67

If you look up Newsoms “good friend” and by chance also his campaign advisor, Jason Kinney, whose firm California Strategies had many partnerships with marijuana business’...Now Axiom Advisors, who Kinney is registered as a lobbyist for, and WeedMaps were big proponents of Prop 64.

Boy, those lobbyists have such an important role...didn’t you say something about how important they are. But of course Newsom was not doing any of that for himself. That was all for the People.
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I see, so when you said Newsom benefits personally, you meant he doesn’t, it’s someone else who does. Uh, someone Gavin Newsom knows literally benefits from every single law that he signs. That’s what happens when you know a lot of people and your job requires that you either sign or veto laws.

But the best part about your ridiculous conspiracy theory (and bottomless stupidity) is this: AB 1525 passed the assembly 70-0 and the Senate 28-2. SB 67 passed the assembly 73-0 and the senate 36-0. Do you know what a veto proof majority looks like? It’s a lot less than these numbers. Let me explain, because you clearly did not take my subtle hint the last time that you have no f**king idea how government works and should stop talking. “Veto proof majority” essentially means that Gavin did not and could not have any impact on the bills becoming law. He did not write the bills, he did not “pass” the bills as you stupidly claimed earlier, and he could not have changed the end result even he wanted to. He had no impact on the law’s passing (or not passing).

You may literally be the dumbest person alive not named @crush or grace karen. Do you have another fake example how Gavin is only in it for himself, or are you finally beginning to realize that the Qanon whackadoos who feed you these conspiracy theories are full of s**t?
 
Grace T. said:
In Ventura County, the biggest outbreaks are in the Oxnard and Ventura zipcodes. Not as much in the Los Angeles burbs in the Conejo. The reason isn't because the people in Oxnard were whooping it up on Thanksgiving and Christmas more than the people in the burbs. It's because they've been forced to work while the people in the burbs can continue to zoom work. Yes, there might have been a bump due to the partying, but that's not driving it. If you look at the LA County numbers, for example, positivity was at its highest in the immediate time frame from Christmas to 4 days after new years. If socialization really was the only thing driving this the numbers should be hitting their highs right now (as the infections make their way through families).
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You seem to be saying that those who must go to work are more likely to get sick than those that stay home.

That looks like evidence to support a general lockdown.
 
Grace T. said:
He's a math guy. High es are not typically attracted to math...high es tend to be attracted towards subjects having to do with people. While it's a generalization and not true all math types are introverts, it's a good bet he's lower on the e scale than the average person. He's also in education. People who enter education generally tend to be more risk adverse. While it's a generalizationa and not true all teachers are scared of their own shadow, it's a good bet he is more risk adverse than the typical person. So if I were to guess, given who he is, it's probably hard for him to understand the scope of the problem for most people.



As I was saying....

p.s. if the variant were the driver LA County would be continuing to rise....it's not....at worst it might be plateaued slightly below the height....it's seasonality which is driving this thing, and the zip codes getting hit hardest are the ones that are working. Once again, it's an illusion to think we can actually control this thing. If you are fortunate enough to work from home, don't care about having your kids locked up, and are a low enough e that not socializing isn't a big deal, you might very well avoid getting it....but it's not a model that can be replicated across families. Besides, if I'm being forced to work in a chicken plant 24/7 and my buddy asks me to share a beer after work (who I've been standing shoulder to shoulder for the last 8 hours) am I really going to say no?
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Math guys also hate deconstructivism, as it turns out. A proof needs to stand on its own, without the author.

A highly infectious variant would not mean cases continue to rise.

For any given set of behaviors, a high R variant would raise the level at which you plateau, and steepen the curve while below the plateau.

This seems consistent with what LA has seen since September: a high peak, despite strong mask usage since summer.
 
espola said:
You seem to be saying that those who must go to work are more likely to get sick than those that stay home.

That looks like evidence to support a general lockdown.
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That's because you are looking at it again only from the one side of the equation. The next question then is the shut down worth the cost. In the hypothetical being posed is that we shut down food production. The question that needs to be asked then is whether the benefit of shutting it all down is worth everyone going without chicken.

There is an equity point here though. People like you, or dad, or me have the luxury of being keyboard warriors. The working class don't.
 
Grace T. said:
He's a math guy. High es are not typically attracted to math...high es tend to be attracted towards subjects having to do with people. While it's a generalization and not true all math types are introverts, it's a good bet he's lower on the e scale than the average person. He's also in education. People who enter education generally tend to be more risk adverse. While it's a generalizationa and not true all teachers are scared of their own shadow, it's a good bet he is more risk adverse than the typical person. So if I were to guess, given who he is, it's probably hard for him to understand the scope of the problem for most people.



As I was saying....

p.s. if the variant were the driver LA County would be continuing to rise....it's not....at worst it might be plateaued slightly below the height....it's seasonality which is driving this thing, and the zip codes getting hit hardest are the ones that are working. Once again, it's an illusion to think we can actually control this thing. If you are fortunate enough to work from home, don't care about having your kids locked up, and are a low enough e that not socializing isn't a big deal, you might very well avoid getting it....but it's not a model that can be replicated across families. Besides, if I'm being forced to work in a chicken plant 12/7 and my buddy asks me to share a beer after work (who I've been standing shoulder to shoulder for the last 8 hours) am I really going to say no?
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I looked up e scale --

 
dad4 said:
Math guys also hate deconstructivism, as it turns out. A proof needs to stand on its own, without the author.

A highly infectious variant would not mean cases continue to rise.

For any given set of behaviors, a high R variant would raise the level at which you plateau, and steepen the curve while below the plateau.

This seems consistent with what LA has seen since September: a high peak, despite strong mask usage since summer.
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I see you've settled into a an explanation for why masks aren't working in Los Angeles. We all knew eventually you would (because you can't fathom the idea hey maybe masks don't work that much).
 
EOTL said:
I see, so when you said Newsom benefits personally, you meant he doesn’t, it’s someone else who does. Uh, someone Gavin Newsom knows literally benefits from every single law that he signs. That’s what happens when you know a lot of people and your job requires that you either sign or veto laws.

But the best part about your ridiculous conspiracy theory (and bottomless stupidity) is this: AB 1525 passed the assembly 70-0 and the Senate 28-2. SB 67 passed the assembly 73-0 and the senate 36-0. Do you know what a veto proof majority looks like? It’s a lot less than these numbers. Let me explain, because you clearly did not take my subtle hint the last time that you have no f**king idea how government works and should stop talking. “Veto proof majority” essentially means that Gavin did not and could not have any impact on the bills becoming law. He did not write the bills, he did not “pass” the bills as you stupidly claimed earlier, and he could not have changed the end result even he wanted to. He had no impact on the law’s passing (or not passing).

You may literally be the dumbest person alive not named @crush or grace karen. Do you have another fake example how Gavin is only in it for himself, or are you finally beginning to realize that the Qanon whackadoos who feed you these conspiracy theories are full of s**t?
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Where’d you go @soccersc? Cooking up some “contextualizing” with your Q master? It looks like my theory that Gavin the Gastronome sabotaged our entire economy so he could cut the wait list at the French Laundry is the least stupid of all the conspiracy theories.
 
Grace T. said:
That's because you are looking at it again only from the one side of the equation. The next question then is the shut down worth the cost. In the hypothetical being posed is that we shut down food production. The question that needs to be asked then is whether the benefit of shutting it all down is worth everyone going without chicken.

There is an equity point here though. People like you, or dad, or me have the luxury of being keyboard warriors. The working class don't.
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"The working class"?

The reason I am no longer working is that I retired (and I would probably be judged to be disabled if back in the workforce anyway).

Let me pull a hypothetical out of thin air -- you really can't help yourself. Let's discuss that.
 
Grace T. said:
e refers to one of the scales of the Myers-Briggs personality model. The theory goes that by breaking people into the 5 (ne 4) scales you can determine how they are predisposed towards acting in the world. "E scale" actually shows one of my prejudices: it's technically the e-i scale or extroversion/introversion.
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Pseudoscience.
 
EOTL said:
It’s interesting the animosity that people have towards Newsom. Although you may disagree with his means and effectiveness, there is no denying that he is trying to save lives. The hate y’all spew because someone is trying to save lives is in sharp contrast to your love of the Mango Magat, who is directly responsible for the majority of covid-related deaths die to his denialism and complete lack of caring.

None of this is surprising, because this is who Magats are. They don’t care about anyone but themselves. They can’t see past their own short-term self-interest. And they’re too stupid to realize that their short-term interest is almost always contrary to their long term benefit. That’s why they’re losers. So much losing. So beautiful. They’re the best at losing.
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Racist bigot feverishly typing away from his isolation bubble....lol
 
Grace T. said:
e refers to one of the scales of the Myers-Briggs personality model. The theory goes that by breaking people into the 5 (ne 4) scales you can determine how they are predisposed towards acting in the world. "E scale" actually shows one of my prejudices: it's technically the e-i scale or extroversion/introversion.
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My best guess BTW is that he's an ISFJ (though that last factor is always tricky) Don't have enough data to pin you down yet but getting pretty close.
 
EOTL said:
I see, so when you said Newsom benefits personally, you meant he doesn’t, it’s someone else who does. Uh, someone Gavin Newsom knows literally benefits from every single law that he signs. That’s what happens when you know a lot of people and your job requires that you either sign or veto laws.

But the best part about your ridiculous conspiracy theory (and bottomless stupidity) is this; AB 1525 passed the assembly 70-0 and the Senate 28-2. SB 67 passed the assembly 73-0 and the senate 36-0. Do you know what a veto proof majority looks like? It’s a lot less than these numbers. Let me explain, because you clearly did not take my subtle hint the last time that you have no f**king idea how government works. “Veto proof majority” essentially means that Gavin did not and could not have any impact on the bills becoming law. He did not write the bills, he did not “pass” the bills as you stupidly claimed earlier, and he could not have changed the end result even he wanted to. He had no impact on the law’s passing (or not passing).

You may literally be the dumbest person alive not named @crush or grace karen. Do you have another fake example how Gavin is only in it for himself, or are you finally beginning to realize that the Qanon whackadoos who feed you these conspiracy theories are full of s**t?
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Wow...they really got you all wrapped up. Not sure where the conspiracy theory exist, but you have shown me through your deep and quantitative research on how he has made our state better...and now I am convinced, you must be right...he does it for everyone else...he is selfless and is working hard for the people. How could I have been so blinded by all the good he does for others. I feel better now that I know Newsom wants what best for me and you. I’m sure he will continue to make our lives great. Thank you for showing me so many ways he has made our State great. You must be so proud to be a follower of his.
 
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