Let the Principals & Teachers Decide

Desert Hound said:
Just to refresh everyone's memory. These are some of the demands by the LA union in order to re-open the schools.

This is what you are up against. As I look through the demands...it is clear to me children and the virus are of utmost importance...or not.

The union demands, among other things:

  • $250 million in extra taxpayer funding for Los Angeles schools,
  • An additional $500 billion in federal funding,
  • Government-run Medicare for All,
  • A wealth tax,
  • An increase in the California state income tax,
  • Defunding the police,
  • A ban on new charter schools, and
  • Public benefits for illegal immigrants as part of the plan to reopen schools.
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And then there’s you:
  • Make teachers risk their lives
  • Make students risk their lives
  • Endanger the lives of every family member who lives with a student or teacher
  • Pay teachers less
  • Take away teacher employee benefits
 
espola said:
Sweden compared to its neighbors, all of whom had strict social controls starting early in the pandemic --

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Covid Trends

Visualizing the exponential growth of COVID-19 across the world.
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Reading comprehension. Relevant phrase is NOW. In Sweden with no lockdowns and masks, the virus is practically gone. In France and Spain with the toughtest lockdowns in the western world, 2nd wave.
 
espola said:
Maybe she thinks no one is going to look it up. Or maybe she has access to data sources no one else has.
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Meh. You're the one with the reading comprehension issue. If I may take you back to 5th grade: "Now". France and Spain are experiencing 2nd waves despite having had the toughest lockdowns in the world. Sweden despite having done nothing including some incredibly stupid stuff is having the virus burn out. Government policies have no impact on the Rona. The virus is going to virus no matter what you do to it.

www.worldometers.info

Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
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Desert Hound said:
The lockdown in the NE worked? Wow that is fascinating.

Those 5 states contributed to about HALF of all the deaths in the US. Combined they have a population of 50 million.

The other 45 states with 280 million have the other half of the deaths.

So if AZ locked down and then jumped to as high of a death rate as NY they could then be counted as a success?

If you think that lockdowns worked in the NE...have at it.

By the way when you look at the largest countries in Europe and add up all their deaths (I refer to UK, Spain, Germany, Italy and France...who have about the same population as the US) they have slightly more deaths vs the US.

I know...numbers. Details

But go ahead explain to us again how the lockdowns in the NE produced good results again?
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You seem to love comparing March deaths with July deaths.

As you really ought to know by now, our treatments and PPE supply were worse in March.

If you want to compare two states, how about Arizona and New Mexico? That way it is late outbreak versus late outbreak. And you are both desert states, so we don’t have to correct for air conditioning.

New Mexico- mask rule, consistent lockdown since March 23.
Arizona- no mask rule, lockdown lifted in May.

Results in the last 7 days?
AZ has had 8 deaths per 100,000 residents. (251 cases per 100K)
NM has had 2 deaths per 100,000 residents. (97 cases per 100K)

AZ policies have resulted in four times as many deaths as NM policies. Maybe you should do whatever it is that they are doing?
 
dad4 said:
You seem to love comparing March deaths with July deaths.

As you really ought to know by now, our treatments and PPE supply were worse in March.

If you want to compare two states, how about Arizona and New Mexico? That way it is late outbreak versus late outbreak. And you are both desert states, so we don’t have to correct for air conditioning.

New Mexico- mask rule, consistent lockdown since March 23.
Arizona- no mask rule, lockdown lifted in May.

Results in the last 7 days?
AZ has had 8 deaths per 100,000 residents. (251 cases per 100K)
NM has had 2 deaths per 100,000 residents. (97 cases per 100K)

AZ policies have resulted in four times as many deaths as NM policies. Maybe you should do whatever it is that they are doing?
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Lets see. Besides AZ you have complained about TX and FL.

NM does worse than both based on deaths per million and just slightly better vs GA.

NM has 284 deaths per million.
AZ has 433 deaths per million.

NM has 596 deaths. If they had our rate they would have 909 deaths. Statistically not much of a difference.

By the way for AZ to have 4 times the deaths as NM statistically...our rate per million would need to be 1136 deaths per million.

AZ economy is in better shape as well.

Interestingly cases in NM are still going up. AZ is going down.

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Grace T. said:
You're not following too closely. My kid is in private school It was prepared to open with teachers that wanted to. It had a safe plan, mostly outdoors, that one of the leads in the AAP report put together and some here described as a prison. Newsom said no, so yes I'm bitter now about educators and if I had my way teacher's unions would be banned.
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Desert Hound said:
Just to refresh everyone's memory. These are some of the demands by the LA union in order to re-open the schools.

This is what you are up against. As I look through the demands...it is clear to me children and the virus are of utmost importance...or not.

The union demands, among other things:

  • $250 million in extra taxpayer funding for Los Angeles schools,
  • An additional $500 billion in federal funding,
  • Government-run Medicare for All,
  • A wealth tax,
  • An increase in the California state income tax,
  • Defunding the police,
  • A ban on new charter schools, and
  • Public benefits for illegal immigrants as part of the plan to reopen schools.
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Absolutely FAKE News. That was for their November 2020 ballot. Please read this article from TODAY!


I win again!
 
dad4 said:
You seem to love comparing March deaths with July deaths.

As you really ought to know by now, our treatments and PPE supply were worse in March.

If you want to compare two states, how about Arizona and New Mexico? That way it is late outbreak versus late outbreak. And you are both desert states, so we don’t have to correct for air conditioning.

New Mexico- mask rule, consistent lockdown since March 23.
Arizona- no mask rule, lockdown lifted in May.

Results in the last 7 days?
AZ has had 8 deaths per 100,000 residents. (251 cases per 100K)
NM has had 2 deaths per 100,000 residents. (97 cases per 100K)

AZ policies have resulted in four times as many deaths as NM policies. Maybe you should do whatever it is that they are doing?
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By the way...why is Cal still going up? I thought you guys had stricter rules in place vs AZ?

Lockdowns work right?

Clearly in NM they are not as cases continue to rise.

Here is CA
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Justafan said:
Absolutely FAKE News. That was for their November 2020 ballot. Please read this article from TODAY!


I win again!
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Um...I believe it was @watfly that pointed out it was recent.

Here is the link to what I referenced. It is from JULY. Nothing to do with a November ballot.

And here is a screenshot from the first page. I am not sure why you have continuing trouble with this. It has been explained to you numerous times already.

Please tell me you are not a teacher. You seem to have trouble with basic concepts. Dates being one of them. Reading what the union proposes being another.

Fish/Barrel/Shooting

PS: how was the arrow skills on this one @watfly?

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Justafan said:
Your disdain for teachers and teacher's unions clouds your objectivity. I haven't heard you or Grace once say you are for reasonable protections for teachers. Why you can't you do that?
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Lets backtrack a comment or two.

You just said fake news and my post was referencing the Nov ballot.

I just provided the screenshot and the link that shows what the union is proposing NOW.

Any comments about their demands?

Or are you simply unaware of what your union is demanding on behalf of you?
 
Desert Hound said:
This is from DC...but this is politics as it relates the virus. The mayor extended the face mask requirement....but exempted many local and fed gov workers. Why? Are they more important? Less susceptible?

This is a variation of what is going on in the schools. The gov is trying to exempt their big money donor (the education union) from actually having to go into work. They are different. More special somehow I guess. And yes they will expect to be paid while hiding in their basement at home as well.

“The enforcement provisions of this Order shall not be applied to persons in the judicial or legislative branches of the District government while those persons are on duty; and shall not apply to any employees of the federal government while they are on duty,”

https://mayor.dc.gov/sites/default/...80 Wearing Masks in DC to Prevent COVID19.pdf
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DC is a special case -- the city government has limited jurisdiction over federal workers.
 
Desert Hound said:
Um...I believe it was @watfly that pointed out it was recent.

Here is the link to what I referenced. It is from JULY. Nothing to do with a November ballot.

And here is a screenshot from the first page. I am not sure why you have continuing trouble with this. It has been explained to you numerous times already.

Please tell me you are not a teacher. You seem to have trouble with basic concepts. Dates being one of them. Reading what the union proposes being another.

Fish/Barrel/Shooting

PS: how was the arrow skills on this one @watfly?

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Brother you're not in my league. I challenge everyone on this thread to go to page 10 and read the section that's headlined STATE SUPPORT. All those demands are for the November 2020 Ballot. Please read it. Yes, this paper was published July 2020, but you're ignorant ass doesn't even read what he posts. And if you read pages 2-10 you will see that's it's all about health and safety!

DON'T FORGET TO READ IT BIG BOY. Then let's see how much courage you have to come on here and say you were wrong.

And did you not read today's article from the LAUSD Superintendent or will you just burry you're head in the sand.

I win again!
 
Grace T. said:
Reading comprehension. Relevant phrase is NOW. In Sweden with no lockdowns and masks, the virus is practically gone. In France and Spain with the toughtest lockdowns in the western world, 2nd wave.
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The chart I presented includes NOW. NOW they re back to about where they were in mid-March, roughly 1900 new cases a week. Or did you have some personal meaning of "practically gone"?

France and Spain are suffering a second wave after people started mingling again when the restrictions were eased about a month ago.
 
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