LA County Revising Sports Guidelines on Tuesday 8/24 - per LA Times

[Grace T.]

Were all living in the, "The Shit Show" Grace. 2 Season is in full swing as we wait to see what these clowns will write for our lives next week. I hear next Fall 3rd season will make the Hunger Games look like kids play Last week was the "Fall of Kabul." This weeks "Shit Show" looks like "Jab or no job for dad & mom and no play time for kid" as the kiddos rush back to school with their mask on. The AD's have a hard time because one AD might be so woke they won;t break and allow his team to play vs any non-vax player on opposing team. I will stay away and never go out because dad is so afraid I might get someone the Delta or worse, The Lambda.

The stupidest thing is that this applies both to the vaxxed and unvaxxed. But they aren't testing the waiters and the bartenders (all of whom work in a higher risk environment), the doctors and the nurses (who are around sick people day in and day out), or the bus drivers/taxi drivers/hairdressers (who are also in close contact with people). Once again, kids are being shafted. For all except the highest level clubs, I think this pretty much will result in the shut down of the season in LA County.

 

[Kicker4Life]

That's only the bigger clubs. The Latino and smaller clubs aren't going to be able to do that. For the working class parents, it's a struggle to even get the players to get to practice. And for AYSO, forget about it. The big clubs will be able to weather it, everyone else will either cross county lines or that's all she wrote.

Such a moronic policy!

So what about kids who live in LA Co but play for a Club in OC? Is it based on their county of residence or where the Club is located?

If an LA team is playing in the OC that weekend, do they still need to test? What about if an OC team is traveling to LA Co, do they need to test?

(Rhetorical questions)

Why are we testing asymptotic kids anyway? Do they need more cases to drive their Fear Porn?

 

[Grace T.]

Such a moronic policy!

So what about kids who live in LA Co but play for a Club in OC? Is it based on their county of residence or where the Club is located?

If an LA team is playing in the OC that weekend, do they still need to test? What about if an OC team is traveling to LA Co, do they need to test?

(Rhetorical questions)

Why are we testing asymptotic kids anyway? Do they need more cases to drive their Fear Porn?

I personally rather have had them mandate the vaccine for players than engage in this scheme, which will be highly disruptive for the reasons you outline, and is also highly discriminatory against the less well off. Hey, I rather even have them mandate they play in mask outdoors than what they've done.

 

[crush]

So if I understand correctly...lets run through this.

- last year there was no vaccine
- at some point youth started playing games
- there were no issues regarding them playing (ie outbreaks and of course deaths).
- this year lots of people were vaccinated
- AND now they want to test kids before they play games?
Why exactly?

Anything happen last year?

You guys should get on the recall bandwagon.

Time to tell these idiots enough is enough.

I used to listen to Larry Elder on the way from my long ass drives back in my sales days. Rome in the morning and then the Loose Cannons. Then I get into some John & Ken and Larry stuck in rush hour and no dad, I did NOT listen to Rush. Never did. I like Larry a lot and he's local bro from South Central I watched Catelyn kick ass as a man in his man days and I'm sure she would make a great Governor today. Gavin sold his house so something is going on Hound.

 

[Alika M]

I used to listen to Larry Elder on the way from my long ass drives back in my sales days. Rome in the morning and then the Loose Cannons. Then I get into some John & Ken and Larry stuck in rush hour and no dad, I did NOT listen to Rush. Never did. I like Larry a lot and he's local bro from South Central I watched Catelyn kick ass as a man in his man days and I'm sure she would make a great Governor today. Gavin sold his house so something is going on Hound.

This is the wrong forum for these comments, so Dom may move it... but you like Larry Elder @crush ?? I believe you have a daughter, have you heard his sexist remarks?.. if you've listed to his radio show then I am sure you have.... he is awful.

 

[crush]

This is the wrong forum for these comments, so Dom may move it... but you like Larry Elder @crush ?? I believe you have a daughter, have you heard his sexist remarks?.. if you've listed to his radio show then I am sure you have.... he is awful.

Someone brought up recall. My bad. I listen to Chris Rock too and he made me laugh. Is that bad? Anyway, back to "Sports Science/Guidance & the Jab" for $1,000. I think it's super super sad that people would rather have the Vaxxer kids only allowed to play sports this year because this is a hot mess created by some cheaters over all of our little heads. I know it would make life easier for all of you but thanks for nothing. This is not my fault either. How many jabs is too many? I feel like I'm talking to alcoholics in denial. Anyone willing to answer the Q? Come on man, most of you voted for this and now you need to fix it and not just for yourself. You have to think of poor people who are smart enough not to fall for the lie. My gosh folks wtf up. What's ridiculous is so many went for the jab so quickly. Now mask too? They want to divide us up between the Jabbers ((The Smiths)) and Non Jabbers ((poor folks or one's who have been burned a few times)) and make us hate each other. Do you know how many poor people took the jab? The same asshats pulled this shit in India and Gates is not allowed. My wife told me another friend dd just came down with heart inflammation and no Volleyball for her. WTF up!!!

Some of you need to take a hard look in the mirror and do some reflection. This is not good from what I see.

 

[watfly]

New rules are out:

https://abc7.la/2WeUDnr

New youth sports rules: LA County issues requirements for testing, masks starting Sept. 1 | abc7.com

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abc7.com

"Under the order, routine testing will be required of all athletes and staff participating in moderate or high-risk sports, regardless of vaccination status. Those include football, basketball, baseball, cheerleading, tennis and soccer, among others.

At a minimum, the county is requiring weekly testing. But testing two times a week is "strongly recommended for unvaccinated participants and staff."

In addition, testing should be done 48 hours before any inter-team competition, with results made available before the event begins.

Athletes, students, coaches and spectators involved in indoor sports must wear masks and can take them off only to eat or drink"

The 48 hr deal was one of the holdups, tough to do for high schoolers unless you have on campus testing in the AM before school or something?

Two years ago this could have been satire on The Onion and we all would have gotten a good chuckle out of it.

Now WTF.

 

[watfly]

So if I understand correctly...lets run through this.

- last year there was no vaccine
- at some point youth started playing games
- there were no issues regarding them playing (ie outbreaks and of course deaths).
- this year lots of people were vaccinated
- AND now they want to test kids before they play games?
Why exactly?

Anything happen last year?

You guys should get on the recall bandwagon.

Time to tell these idiots enough is enough.

You know Newsom had to have called LA County after this came out and said "Hey bro can you do me a favor and rescind the policy for a couple weeks and after that you can do whatever you want."

 

[dad4]

The county should at least let players submit vaccination in lieu of the 48 hour test.

Easier to comply, and does more good. The 48 hour test requirement is going to kill organized sports for low income kids.

It's hard enough to field a team without asking parents to make weekly trips to get tested. And, if they all carpool to get tested, then you're doing more harm than good.

 

[lafalafa]

The county should at least let players submit vaccination in lieu of the 48 hour test.

Easier to comply, and does more good. The 48 hour test requirement is going to kill organized sports for low income kids.

It's hard enough to field a team without asking parents to make weekly trips to get tested. And, if they all carpool to get tested, then you're doing more harm than good.

Not that I disagree but they don't give college or pro players that latitude. Have to test regardless of vaccination for all college students athletes or those staying in campus housing.

My college freshman son tested on Monday for his Wednesday game and has to test again tomorrow as part of the mandatory weekly testing program.

 

[N00B]

Such a moronic policy!…

Why are we testing asymptotic kids anyway? Do they need more cases to drive their Fear Porn?

I found ‘Q’ on the internet…. Sometimes you need to laugh.

 

[crush]

Not that I disagree but they don't give college or pro players that latitude. Have to test regardless of vaccination for all college students athletes or those staying in campus housing.

My college freshman son tested on Monday for his Wednesday game and has to test again tomorrow as part of the mandatory weekly testing program.

Wowza. This takes taking test in college to whole new level.

 

[Desert Hound]

The county should at least let players submit vaccination in lieu of the 48 hour test.

Easier to comply, and does more good

Your the math guy. 72 million people in the 17 and under group. 350 or so deaths.

No risk. What good is being done?

We know from last yr with the millions that went to school there wasn't a problem.

You were also worried about colleges last yr. No issue again.

Based on actual data there is no reason for testing, masking or distancing these kids.
None.

As you admitted on these forums long ago you have a phobia about the virus.

Your ideas come from someone who has a phobia. It isn't rational, logical, etc for any of these measures.

 

[dad4]

Your the math guy. 72 million people in the 17 and under group. 350 or so deaths.

No risk. What good is being done?

We know from last yr with the millions that went to school there wasn't a problem.

You were also worried about colleges last yr. No issue again.

Based on actual data there is no reason for testing, masking or distancing these kids.
None.

As you admitted on these forums long ago you have a phobia about the virus.

Your ideas come from someone who has a phobia. It isn't rational, logical, etc for any of these measures.

I don't think the people on this thread need it detailed by the two of us yelling at each other.

Have a great night.

 

[dad4]

Not that I disagree but they don't give college or pro players that latitude. Have to test regardless of vaccination for all college students athletes or those staying in campus housing.

My college freshman son tested on Monday for his Wednesday game and has to test again tomorrow as part of the mandatory weekly testing program.

Colleges don't need the latitude. A college with athlete dorms and daily practices has a relatively easy time getting players tested. Campus health services are right there, you see the players every day, and you control the schedule.

None of that is true for a low income youth team with a volunteer coach. For them, it's a much more difficult problem.

 

[lafalafa]

Colleges don't need the latitude. A college with athlete dorms and daily practices has a relatively easy time getting players tested. Campus health services are right there, you see the players every day, and you control the schedule.

None of that is true for a low income youth team with a volunteer coach. For them, it's a much more difficult problem.

Yeah good points, our high school doesn't have on campus testing and everyone has to go to a third party heath district provider.

Just getting appointments for the numbers needed is a challenge not to mention the potential transportation problem getting over there when parents have to work or the kids normally ride bikes, walk or take a bus to school.

The 48hr deal is kind of crazy if you ask me, how many labs can turn over results over that quick? Somehow if nothing less that 48hr requirement needs to change, weekly should be good enough.

If a student tests positive there out 18 days minimum, 10 day quarantine.

As far as AYSO:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1430269976313692162

LAUSD has a lot of students, but 6500 out is a large number

Coronavirus cases lead to missed school days for 6,500 LAUSD students during first week

During the first week of school, some 3,000 Los Angeles Unified students were in isolation because of a positive test. Some 3,500 others were in quarantine as close contacts.

www.latimes.com

 

[Desert Hound]

Colleges don't need the latitude. A college with athlete dorms and daily practices has a relatively easy time getting players tested. Campus health services are right there, you see the players every day, and you control the schedule.

None of that is true for a low income youth team with a volunteer coach. For them, it's a much more difficult problem.

And again the actual data from last yr where people were in college, in hs, playing club shows unequivocally that that there is no risk to this group.

These measures are pointless. The data clearly shows this to be true.

We are long past what might happen. We have data from the last yr when there was no vaccine.

College, high school age etc have no risk.

This isn't conjecture. This isn't opinion. This isn't whatever. We can look at well over a yr and a half of get this ....ACTUAL DATA

There is no need to what you and others propose.

There is no real risk to these age groups.

To pretend otherwise is fantasy. To test before games. Or to test so they can go to class, etc is a meaningless exercise in safety theater. It changes nothing risk wise. What it does harm is learning, participating in sports, living a normal life, etc.

We have the data on these groups. No risk

 

[Grace T.]

Yeah good points, our high school doesn't have on campus testing and everyone has to go to a third party heath district provider.

Just getting appointments for the numbers needed is a challenge not to mention the potential transportation problem getting over there when parents have to work or the kids normally ride bikes, walk or take a bus to school.

The 48hr deal is kind of crazy if you ask me, how many labs can turn over results over that quick? Somehow if nothing less that 48hr requirement needs to change, weekly should be good enough.

If a student tests positive there out 18 days minimum, 10 day quarantine.

As far as AYSO:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1430269976313692162

LAUSD has a lot of students, but 6500 out is a large number

Coronavirus cases lead to missed school days for 6,500 LAUSD students during first week

During the first week of school, some 3,000 Los Angeles Unified students were in isolation because of a positive test. Some 3,500 others were in quarantine as close contacts.

www.latimes.com

Yeah, unless the organization has the money and contacts to set up testing at practices, I don't see how this is going to be possible for any but the biggest and richest of clubs. AYSO forget about it....parents aren't going to do that for rec unless it's there on the practice grounds and there's not enough time to even enter into the contracts. Except for the biggest of clubs, that's going to be it for the soccer season in Los Angeles unless the teams move out of the county.

 

[lafalafa]

And again the actual data from last yr where people were in college, in hs, playing club shows unequivocally that that there is no risk to this group.

These measures are pointless. The data clearly shows this to be true.

We are long past what might happen. We have data from the last yr when there was no vaccine.

College, high school age etc have no risk.

This isn't conjecture. This isn't opinion. This isn't whatever. We can look at well over a yr and a half of get this ....ACTUAL DATA

There is no need to what you and others propose.

There is no real risk to these age groups.

To pretend otherwise is fantasy. To test before games. Or to test so they can go to class, etc is a meaningless exercise in safety theater. It changes nothing risk wise. What it does harm is learning, participating in sports, living a normal life, etc.

We have the data on these groups. No risk

What strikes me is the selective targeting of certain lower risks groups of young people but almost totally ignoring higher risk older ones.

For example let's say a team bus of high school or college athletes all of which have been tested ok within the last 48 hours pulls up to a major fast food outlet to get some food.

All players remain on the bus, couple masked workers come out to deliver the food. Those workers and the entire restaurant crew don't necessarily have to be tested, daily screened, or vaccinated despite coming in contact with high numbers of people and possibly passing along more than just burgers.

Focus on the higher risks, at some point it's the adults who should be carrying the burden not the kids or younger adults.

 

[Desert Hound]

Focus on the higher risks

It is and always should have been this. ^^^^

80+% of all deaths are 65 and older individuals with serious health issues. The other 20%? Again people with serious health issues.

The virus isn't striking down healthy people at anything resembling an alarming rate. Are there exceptions when someone healthy has had an issue/died? Yep. Those are outliers.

We have lots of data as to who is at risk. It isn't people in college. It isn't people in HS and elementary school. To be factually honest...driving to get tested is FAR riskier to someone 17 and under vs what the virus presents. 72 million people....350 or so deaths since this began. If one looks at that number the rational conclusion should be...GREAT they are fine.

How one instead moves to weekly testing, cancelling games, classes etc after looking at that number is not logical by any stretch.