In SoCal what’s it going to be DA/DPL or ECNL?

[Simisoccerfan]

Well said.



What's the real 'difference' (i.e., talent, soccer IQ, etc) between a GDA player and a DPL player in your opinion? I wont press you on what ECNL team you came from.....So, I've seen some lengthy rosters for GDA teams and being required to accept a spot on a DPL team is telling in and of itself. Unless your DD plays for Blues, Slammers or Surf, is being player #24, say on Albion for example, really worth all the fuss? If on average 16 FT rostered GDA players split minutes in any given game, not including the keeper, what's left for the balance of the FT rostered players fighting for the #18 spot? Just curious to understand why all the fuss over being rostered on a DPL team, which in any GDA universe is clearly that clubs 'B-team,' it just seems silly IMHO.

As I opened up with, please explain the 'difference' in your opinion, that way I can sensibly draw a conclusion.

My dd played DPL and DA this past season and the real differences are speed play, poise with the ball while under pressure, athleticism, and decision making. The reason I am fan of DPL is because it gave my dd a pathway to the DA as it did for several other kids I know.[/QUOTE]

 

[JoeZ]

The interest is: the truth.

The plan and/or intent of the league is: irrelevant

Stop fighting it JoeZ, and don’t take our word for it, just look at the results.

W O W - you are all fired up over this. First year results!! Holy cow Batman!
Plan and intent is everything. Year one and the flight 1 and 2 parents are already crying and trying to kill it. This is entertaining to read.

The plan of DPL is to keep YOUR MONEY in THEIR CLUB and to make you think that your DPL kid is at the same level as the DA kid. The plan of DPL is to limit your exposure to other comparable teams in CSL-Premier or SCDSL by saying DPL is exclusive whereas if they'd let you play against the other two leagues other than tournaments or National Cup you'd see you are paying for something extra wherein fact once you play against that top-notch CSL or SCDSL team you'll see DPL is equal..if not sometimes less than at times. Sorry. Reality check.

Pewpew, you keep me laughing and crying at the same time. Thank you for the laughs! Unless it’s sponsored or free, it’s a business and about money regardless of DA,DPL or ECNL down to the lower levels flight 1,2,3 et al. Your bit about limiting exposure is absolutely hilarious! Thank you again!

 

[Mystery Train]

I am fan of DPL is because it gave my dd a pathway to the DA as it did for several other kids I know.

[/QUOTE]

This is the one advantage a DPL team has over F1 and CSL premier. If DA is the goal, but your player isn't ready, this is how it should work. I don't necessarily see why the DPL teams couldn't accomplish this same purpose within SCDSL and CSL instead of doing their own closed league thing, which is I think what spawns so much resentment from non DPL parents.

 

[Fact]

This is the one advantage a DPL team has over F1 and CSL premier. If DA is the goal, but your player isn't ready, this is how it should work. I don't necessarily see why the DPL teams couldn't accomplish this same purpose within SCDSL and CSL instead of doing their own closed league thing, which is I think what spawns so much resentment from non DPL parents.[/QUOTE]
My resentment of DPL is the false advertising , the fragmentation of another league and the arrogance that DPL parents spew about their league being better than CSL and SCDCL. A team is a team. Put your kid on the team that is at the right level, has a good coach and the players and parents get along....Period.

 

[Fact]

Justafan and Pewpew you are wasting your time with this idiot. If you look at how this conversation evolved she is just looking for validation that she spent her husbands hard earned money on this garbage.

 

[Mystery Train]

My resentment of DPL is the false advertising , the fragmentation of another league and the arrogance that DPL parents spew about their league being better than CSL and SCDCL. A team is a team. Put your kid on the team that is at the right level, has a good coach and the players and parents get along....Period.

The fragmentation was my big gripe. This year I noticed how much it has helped my DD's development to play the toughest competition she can. The dilution of DA and ECNL hurt SCDSL and CSL enough, but the separation of another 8 or 9 clubs was really needless and I think did a disservice to DPL players as well.

 

[Simisoccerfan]

This is the one advantage a DPL team has over F1 and CSL premier. If DA is the goal, but your player isn't ready, this is how it should work. I don't necessarily see why the DPL teams couldn't accomplish this same purpose within SCDSL and CSL instead of doing their own closed league thing, which is I think what spawns so much resentment from non DPL parents.[/QUOTE]

In our case I don’t think it was a case of not being ready. It was more we were new to the club and they initially had a preference for girls that played with them for years. I don’t really care about the closed league issue. My belief is that the people upset with that are too concerned about team rankings.

 

[JoeZ]

If you look at how those DPL teams that "made it" did in CRL last year, that facts are:

2005 - Beach FC SB G05 DPL (13th). 12 Flight 1/Gold/Premiere teams were better. Conclusion, the DPL team sucked.
2004 - Beach FC G04 DPL (1st). Real So Cal DPL (7th). LA Galaxy 2004 DPL (12th). Conclusion, 1 DPL team was great, one was average and one sucked.
2003 - LA Galaxy DPL 03 (6th). Conclusion, 1 DPL team was average.
2002 - Real So Cal (2nd), Beach (6th), Albion DPL (7th). Conclusion, 1 DPL team was great, two were average.
2001 - LA Galaxy DPL 2001 (7th), Albion SC G2001 DPL Academy (8th), Beach FC G01 DPL (9th). Conclusion 3 DPL teams were below average.

The CRL represents the better Flight 1/Premiere teams and when competing against these teams, on balance the DPL teams were slightly below average, with only 1 team excelling. Beach FC 03, which also finished first in the DPL.

MWN your feedback is always credible and factual in my view and much appreciated.

One point I would like make is the DPL teams are likely to lose players during the season. Injury’s and exits on their DA teams mean they borrow or take DPL players from their teams. It really affects a team and it’s players when their top players are taken to play on another team in the club leaving them short handed and they have no pool of eligible guest players to fill the spots. This also happens with DA and ECNL teams though they can only pull from other DA or ECNL teams respectively. 04’s playing 03 and 03 playing 02/01/00 and so on.
This being said it is not surprising if those teams played in a showcase at the end of the season they may struggle unless they have could have guest players.
The questionable thing for me about National Cup and other flight 1-2 tournaments is almost every flight 1 or 2 team has 2-3 or more guest players, usually from their top teams and even from ECNL teams. This from direct and observed experience over the years. As such I’m not sure the stats for those events are always relevant.

Thanks again for your feedback today.

 

[Kicker4Life]

Well ... I looked at the CRL and not the DPL website. I see there was a team called "Beach FC SB G05 DPL" and looking at the DPL website, I see there was no 05 division. Hmmm, Beach had a DPL team ... so maybe this just validates all the opinions regarding the dishonesty of the DPL?

I just want to clarify because I think you are mistaken and don’t want your position in this debate to be invalid based on inaccuracies. Beach did not have an ‘05 DPL Team last year (‘17-‘18 season). Mainly because there were no ‘05 DPL teams in any SoCal Clubs last season. Maybe I misunderstood and you were referring at the current CRL (‘18-‘19 season) website. On that list there is a Beach SB team and a Beach DPL team listed, not a “Beach SB DPL team”. The ‘05 Beach DPL Team is a newly formed team for the ‘17-‘18 DPL season made up of players from their SB and LB players that are not playing DA. So your conclusion that “they sucked” is false narrative.

 

[JoeZ]

This is the one advantage a DPL team has over F1 and CSL premier. If DA is the goal, but your player isn't ready, this is how it should work. I don't necessarily see why the DPL teams couldn't accomplish this same purpose within SCDSL and CSL instead of doing their own closed league thing, which is I think what spawns so much resentment from non DPL parents.

My resentment of DPL is the false advertising , the fragmentation of another league and the arrogance that DPL parents spew about their league being better than CSL and SCDCL. A team is a team. Put your kid on the team that is at the right level, has a good coach and the players and parents get along

Well ... I looked at the CRL and not the DPL website. I see there was a team called "Beach FC SB G05 DPL" and looking at the DPL website, I see there was no 05 division. Hmmm, Beach had a DPL team ... so maybe this just validates all the opinions regarding the dishonesty of the DPL?

I have found Beach to be a strong reputable club. There must be some misunderstanding or interpretation.

 

[Justafan]

I agree with what you shared though I am just now learning what DPL is all about and it’s level of competitiveness. I’m not sure DPL will be lesser than ECNL next year considering the clubs (ours included) that just announced moving girls ECNL program to DPL, alongside the DA program.

JoeZ, you are telling us that you are “just now learning what DPL is all about and it’s level of competitiveness,” yet you are certain that it is superior to flight 1 and premiere, and on par with ECNL.

Relax Joe, take a deep breath because everything is going to be ok. It’s obvious that your ego took a hit going from ECNL to DPL and you’re concerned about the prestige of DPL.

Remember it’s always about your player first. Your PARTICULAR team may well be as good as several ECNL teams and lower DA teams, but that is true of top flight 1 and premiere teams.

But you have to stop trying so hard to promote DPL’s superiority. Your trying to con a conman, and we are all conmen on this forum. It’s not going to work.

 

[MWN]

I just want to clarify because I think you are mistaken and don’t want your position in this debate to be invalid based on inaccuracies. Beach did not have an ‘05 DPL Team last year (‘17-‘18 season). Mainly because there were no ‘05 DPL teams in any SoCal Clubs last season. Maybe I misunderstood and you were referring at the current CRL (‘18-‘19 season) website. On that list there is a Beach SB team and a Beach DPL team listed, not a “Beach SB DPL team”. The ‘05 Beach DPL Team is a newly formed team for the ‘17-‘18 DPL season made up of players from their SB and LB players that are not playing DA. So your conclusion that “they sucked” is false narrative.

All I can tell you is that Beach called their team for the 2017 CRL season with the name "Beach FC SB G05 DPL" see:

https://2017crlleagueseason.sportsaffinity.com/m/tour/standing.aspx?flightguid=4CA7D3BF-40CD-4A54-A39A-1D5A4D204636&tournamentguid=D388082C-745C-4D0B-B45D-8D225EAC7B94&sessionguid=&flightname=Girls U13/2005

All I'm really saying is the team labeled by BEACH - Beach FC SB G05 DPL came in last place in the 2017 CRL season per the standings above. The fact that there was no 2005 DPL age bracket is an indictment on Beach and the misleading nature of the league.

 

[MWN]

MWN your feedback is always credible and factual in my view and much appreciated.

One point I would like make is the DPL teams are likely to lose players during the season. Injury’s and exits on their DA teams mean they borrow or take DPL players from their teams. It really affects a team and it’s players when their top players are taken to play on another team in the club leaving them short handed and they have no pool of eligible guest players to fill the spots. This also happens with DA and ECNL teams though they can only pull from other DA or ECNL teams respectively. 04’s playing 03 and 03 playing 02/01/00 and so on.
This being said it is not surprising if those teams played in a showcase at the end of the season they may struggle unless they have could have guest players.
The questionable thing for me about National Cup and other flight 1-2 tournaments is almost every flight 1 or 2 team has 2-3 or more guest players, usually from their top teams and even from ECNL teams. This from direct and observed experience over the years. As such I’m not sure the stats for those events are always relevant.

Thanks again for your feedback today.

A few quick points:
You wrote:

This also happens with DA and ECNL teams though they can only pull from other DA or ECNL teams respectively.

The DA rules define players into two categories full-time "FT" and development players "DP." FT players must start at least 25% of the season and DP players cannot play more than 6 games. DP players must play with the club. DA teams can pull DP players to fill roster spots from any club team ... a flight 3 player is legal, as well as, flight 2, flight 1, DPL, etc. By allowing DA clubs to pull any player from the club up to the DA as a "development player" its benefits the level of competition and the players themselves.

You imply that the DPL disallows guest players, which is why teams may be less competitive. I'm surprised that the DPL won't let players "club pass" onto teams/games. If true (I have no reason to doubt it), then this presents a major negative to the league because the level of competition isn't maintained.

The benefit of playing with a larger club with various levels of play is that players can move up the ranks during the season and shift down (at least in the SCDSL ... CSL has stricter rules). It maintains competition and helps players. Locking players with is dumb and hurts competition and development.

I think we can all agree though that in light of the fact that the level of play in the DPL is on par with Gold/Premier in CSL and Flight 1 in SCDSL the league isn't really necessary. That said, as long as parents are not being fed misleading information and as long as clubs do not capitalize on the confusion, then to each their own.

 

[Fact]

I think we can all agree though that in light of the fact that the level of play in the DPL is on par with Gold/Premier in CSL and Flight 1 in SCDSL

***correction- I think we can all agree that SOME of the top DPL teams play on par with Gold/Premier CSL and Flight 1 SCDSL HOWEVER SOME DPL teams are mid level Silver or Flight 2 at best.

 

[Fact]

I just want to clarify because I think you are mistaken and don’t want your position in this debate to be invalid based on inaccuracies. Beach did not have an ‘05 DPL Team last year (‘17-‘18 season). Mainly because there were no ‘05 DPL teams in any SoCal Clubs last season. Maybe I misunderstood and you were referring at the current CRL (‘18-‘19 season) website. On that list there is a Beach SB team and a Beach DPL team listed, not a “Beach SB DPL team”. The ‘05 Beach DPL Team is a newly formed team for the ‘17-‘18 DPL season made up of players from their SB and LB players that are not playing DA. So your conclusion that “they sucked” is false narrative.

Kicker I did notice that some 05 teams named their top team that would become the DA DPL. Just like some teams started to use the EGSL name the year before the team was eligible for ECNL. I don’t think it was to con anyone thou but rather because the teams participated in a Showcase maybe? After all why would they want to convince the top team that they are second best.

 

[Kicker4Life]

Kicker I did notice that some 05 teams named their top team that would become the DA DPL. Just like some teams started to use the EGSL name the year before the team was eligible for ECNL. I don’t think it was to con anyone thou but rather because the teams participated in a Showcase maybe? After all why would they want to convince the top team that they are second best.

Not the case. Look at that teams listing in SCDSL, I know the team, the families and I GUARNATEE that LY there was no combo team or tournament team in place for CRL. If there had, it would NOT be called DPL or Per-DPL, it would have been Pre-Academy as all the other Academy/DPL Clubs have done.

 

[Kicker4Life]

All I can tell you is that Beach called their team for the 2017 CRL season with the name "Beach FC SB G05 DPL" see:

https://2017crlleagueseason.sportsaffinity.com/m/tour/standing.aspx?flightguid=4CA7D3BF-40CD-4A54-A39A-1D5A4D204636&tournamentguid=D388082C-745C-4D0B-B45D-8D225EAC7B94&sessionguid=&flightname=Girls U13/2005

All I'm really saying is the team labeled by BEACH - Beach FC SB G05 DPL came in last place in the 2017 CRL season per the standings above. The fact that there was no 2005 DPL age bracket is an indictment on Beach and the misleading nature of the league.

The strange thing about that site you referenced is that no matter what team you select for Contact Info, it defaults to LAGSD Pre-Academy. So something is fishy with that site.

I know that ‘05 is not in your wheelhouse of intimate knowledge and all I am trying to do is clear the air so that your arguement is not invalidated by bad information. I know this team very well and can honestly tell you that they did not refer to themselves as a DPL team last year.

This Team ID has become the DPL team for the ‘18/‘19 season but under a new coach as the previous Coach (who took over mid year) became the ‘05 DA. You can check the tournaments, the actual CRL schedule from last season (if you can find it) or pM me and I’ll give you more info.

I will close with I am also one to call out teams using false monikers, so I am not trolling you. I do see where you got your info, I’m just sayingg that that source is inaccurate.

 

[JoeZ]

JoeZ, you are telling us that you are “just now learning what DPL is all about and it’s level of competitiveness,” yet you are certain that it is superior to flight 1 and premiere, and on par with ECNL.

Relax Joe, take a deep breath because everything is going to be ok. It’s obvious that your ego took a hit going from ECNL to DPL and you’re concerned about the prestige of DPL.

Remember it’s always about your player first. Your PARTICULAR team may well be as good as several ECNL teams and lower DA teams, but that is true of top flight 1 and premiere teams.

But you have to stop trying so hard to promote DPL’s superiority. Your trying to con a conman, and we are all conmen on this forum. It’s not going to work.

Justafan, I really enjoy seeing these replies and how people like you and Fact react.

One thing is certain. You, Fact and some people from CRL and Flight 1-2 have some deep resentments and even some anger over these new leagues. Got it.

I will give this new league a chance.

Many thanks and good luck next season.

 

[JoeZ]

***correction- I think we can all agree that SOME of the top DPL teams play on par with Gold/Premier CSL and Flight 1 SCDSL HOWEVER SOME DPL teams are mid level Silver or Flight 2 at best.

Fact, thank you for your opinions

A few quick points:
You wrote:

The DA rules define players into two categories full-time "FT" and development players "DP." FT players must start at least 25% of the season and DP players cannot play more than 6 games. DP players must play with the club. DA teams can pull DP players to fill roster spots from any club team ... a flight 3 player is legal, as well as, flight 2, flight 1, DPL, etc. By allowing DA clubs to pull any player from the club up to the DA as a "development player" its benefits the level of competition and the players themselves.

You imply that the DPL disallows guest players, which is why teams may be less competitive. I'm surprised that the DPL won't let players "club pass" onto teams/games. If true (I have no reason to doubt it), then this presents a major negative to the league because the level of competition isn't maintained.

The benefit of playing with a larger club with various levels of play is that players can move up the ranks during the season and shift down (at least in the SCDSL ... CSL has stricter rules). It maintains competition and helps players. Locking players with is dumb and hurts competition and development.

I think we can all agree though that in light of the fact that the level of play in the DPL is on par with Gold/Premier in CSL and Flight 1 in SCDSL the league isn't really necessary. That said, as long as parents are not being fed misleading information and as long as clubs do not capitalize on the confusion, then to each their own.

MWN, not saying one cannot pull players up to guest from the lower levels but who does that? I’ve only been in this club thing 9 years and I have never seen a coach guest a player that they didn’t think would benefit the team. They pull the best players they can get. Like I said take a couple top 03s to play on 02 or top 04 to play 03... If there is a strong developing flight 1 player yes of course bring them up to see how they do, but that’s rare. Maybe it happens more I just haven’t seen it myself. I can only share what I have seen.

Thanks again for you feedback

 

[pewpew]

G03 CRL Play-In was this weekend. LAGSD was the only DPL team listed in the brackets. They lost ALL THREE games. Including a 0-1 loss to Crown City United..a team that finished 2nd in their bracket in CSL. Almost forgot..(not really...just trying to make it suspenseful)...wait for it...CCU is a SILVER ELITE team!!
So please tell me again who DPL is on par with.......
Where's the crickets emoji when I need it?!?!