In SoCal what’s it going to be DA/DPL or ECNL?

MWN said:
If you look at how those DPL teams that "made it" did in CRL last year, that facts are:

2005 - Beach FC SB G05 DPL (13th). 12 Flight 1/Gold/Premiere teams were better. Conclusion, the DPL team sucked.
2004 - Beach FC G04 DPL (1st). Real So Cal DPL (7th). LA Galaxy 2004 DPL (12th). Conclusion, 1 DPL team was great, one was average and one sucked.
2003 - LA Galaxy DPL 03 (6th). Conclusion, 1 DPL team was average.
2002 - Real So Cal (2nd), Beach (6th), Albion DPL (7th). Conclusion, 1 DPL team was great, two were average.
2001 - LA Galaxy DPL 2001 (7th), Albion SC G2001 DPL Academy (8th), Beach FC G01 DPL (9th). Conclusion 3 DPL teams were below average.

The CRL represents the better Flight 1/Premiere teams and when competing against these teams, on balance the DPL teams were slightly below average, with only 1 team excelling. Beach FC 03, which also finished first in the DPL.
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MWN your feedback is always credible and factual in my view and much appreciated.

One point I would like make is the DPL teams are likely to lose players during the season. Injury’s and exits on their DA teams mean they borrow or take DPL players from their teams. It really affects a team and it’s players when their top players are taken to play on another team in the club leaving them short handed and they have no pool of eligible guest players to fill the spots. This also happens with DA and ECNL teams though they can only pull from other DA or ECNL teams respectively. 04’s playing 03 and 03 playing 02/01/00 and so on.
This being said it is not surprising if those teams played in a showcase at the end of the season they may struggle unless they have could have guest players.
The questionable thing for me about National Cup and other flight 1-2 tournaments is almost every flight 1 or 2 team has 2-3 or more guest players, usually from their top teams and even from ECNL teams. This from direct and observed experience over the years. As such I’m not sure the stats for those events are always relevant.

Thanks again for your feedback today.
 
MWN said:
Well ... I looked at the CRL and not the DPL website. I see there was a team called "Beach FC SB G05 DPL" and looking at the DPL website, I see there was no 05 division. Hmmm, Beach had a DPL team ... so maybe this just validates all the opinions regarding the dishonesty of the DPL?
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I just want to clarify because I think you are mistaken and don’t want your position in this debate to be invalid based on inaccuracies. Beach did not have an ‘05 DPL Team last year (‘17-‘18 season). Mainly because there were no ‘05 DPL teams in any SoCal Clubs last season. Maybe I misunderstood and you were referring at the current CRL (‘18-‘19 season) website. On that list there is a Beach SB team and a Beach DPL team listed, not a “Beach SB DPL team”. The ‘05 Beach DPL Team is a newly formed team for the ‘17-‘18 DPL season made up of players from their SB and LB players that are not playing DA. So your conclusion that “they sucked” is false narrative.
 
Fact said:
This is the one advantage a DPL team has over F1 and CSL premier. If DA is the goal, but your player isn't ready, this is how it should work. I don't necessarily see why the DPL teams couldn't accomplish this same purpose within SCDSL and CSL instead of doing their own closed league thing, which is I think what spawns so much resentment from non DPL parents.
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My resentment of DPL is the false advertising , the fragmentation of another league and the arrogance that DPL parents spew about their league being better than CSL and SCDCL. A team is a team. Put your kid on the team that is at the right level, has a good coach and the players and parents get along
MWN said:
Well ... I looked at the CRL and not the DPL website. I see there was a team called "Beach FC SB G05 DPL" and looking at the DPL website, I see there was no 05 division. Hmmm, Beach had a DPL team ... so maybe this just validates all the opinions regarding the dishonesty of the DPL?
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I have found Beach to be a strong reputable club. There must be some misunderstanding or interpretation.
 
JoeZ said:
I agree with what you shared though I am just now learning what DPL is all about and it’s level of competitiveness. I’m not sure DPL will be lesser than ECNL next year considering the clubs (ours included) that just announced moving girls ECNL program to DPL, alongside the DA program.
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JoeZ, you are telling us that you are “just now learning what DPL is all about and it’s level of competitiveness,” yet you are certain that it is superior to flight 1 and premiere, and on par with ECNL.

Relax Joe, take a deep breath because everything is going to be ok. It’s obvious that your ego took a hit going from ECNL to DPL and you’re concerned about the prestige of DPL.

Remember it’s always about your player first. Your PARTICULAR team may well be as good as several ECNL teams and lower DA teams, but that is true of top flight 1 and premiere teams.

But you have to stop trying so hard to promote DPL’s superiority. Your trying to con a conman, and we are all conmen on this forum. It’s not going to work.
 
Kicker4Life said:
I just want to clarify because I think you are mistaken and don’t want your position in this debate to be invalid based on inaccuracies. Beach did not have an ‘05 DPL Team last year (‘17-‘18 season). Mainly because there were no ‘05 DPL teams in any SoCal Clubs last season. Maybe I misunderstood and you were referring at the current CRL (‘18-‘19 season) website. On that list there is a Beach SB team and a Beach DPL team listed, not a “Beach SB DPL team”. The ‘05 Beach DPL Team is a newly formed team for the ‘17-‘18 DPL season made up of players from their SB and LB players that are not playing DA. So your conclusion that “they sucked” is false narrative.
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All I can tell you is that Beach called their team for the 2017 CRL season with the name "Beach FC SB G05 DPL" see:

https://2017crlleagueseason.sportsaffinity.com/m/tour/standing.aspx?flightguid=4CA7D3BF-40CD-4A54-A39A-1D5A4D204636&tournamentguid=D388082C-745C-4D0B-B45D-8D225EAC7B94&sessionguid=&flightname=Girls U13/2005

All I'm really saying is the team labeled by BEACH - Beach FC SB G05 DPL came in last place in the 2017 CRL season per the standings above. The fact that there was no 2005 DPL age bracket is an indictment on Beach and the misleading nature of the league.
 
JoeZ said:
MWN your feedback is always credible and factual in my view and much appreciated.

One point I would like make is the DPL teams are likely to lose players during the season. Injury’s and exits on their DA teams mean they borrow or take DPL players from their teams. It really affects a team and it’s players when their top players are taken to play on another team in the club leaving them short handed and they have no pool of eligible guest players to fill the spots. This also happens with DA and ECNL teams though they can only pull from other DA or ECNL teams respectively. 04’s playing 03 and 03 playing 02/01/00 and so on.
This being said it is not surprising if those teams played in a showcase at the end of the season they may struggle unless they have could have guest players.
The questionable thing for me about National Cup and other flight 1-2 tournaments is almost every flight 1 or 2 team has 2-3 or more guest players, usually from their top teams and even from ECNL teams. This from direct and observed experience over the years. As such I’m not sure the stats for those events are always relevant.

Thanks again for your feedback today.
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A few quick points:
You wrote:
This also happens with DA and ECNL teams though they can only pull from other DA or ECNL teams respectively.
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The DA rules define players into two categories full-time "FT" and development players "DP." FT players must start at least 25% of the season and DP players cannot play more than 6 games. DP players must play with the club. DA teams can pull DP players to fill roster spots from any club team ... a flight 3 player is legal, as well as, flight 2, flight 1, DPL, etc. By allowing DA clubs to pull any player from the club up to the DA as a "development player" its benefits the level of competition and the players themselves.

You imply that the DPL disallows guest players, which is why teams may be less competitive. I'm surprised that the DPL won't let players "club pass" onto teams/games. If true (I have no reason to doubt it), then this presents a major negative to the league because the level of competition isn't maintained.

The benefit of playing with a larger club with various levels of play is that players can move up the ranks during the season and shift down (at least in the SCDSL ... CSL has stricter rules). It maintains competition and helps players. Locking players with is dumb and hurts competition and development.

I think we can all agree though that in light of the fact that the level of play in the DPL is on par with Gold/Premier in CSL and Flight 1 in SCDSL the league isn't really necessary. That said, as long as parents are not being fed misleading information and as long as clubs do not capitalize on the confusion, then to each their own.
 
MWN said:
I think we can all agree though that in light of the fact that the level of play in the DPL is on par with Gold/Premier in CSL and Flight 1 in SCDSL
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***correction- I think we can all agree that SOME of the top DPL teams play on par with Gold/Premier CSL and Flight 1 SCDSL HOWEVER SOME DPL teams are mid level Silver or Flight 2 at best.
 
Kicker4Life said:
I just want to clarify because I think you are mistaken and don’t want your position in this debate to be invalid based on inaccuracies. Beach did not have an ‘05 DPL Team last year (‘17-‘18 season). Mainly because there were no ‘05 DPL teams in any SoCal Clubs last season. Maybe I misunderstood and you were referring at the current CRL (‘18-‘19 season) website. On that list there is a Beach SB team and a Beach DPL team listed, not a “Beach SB DPL team”. The ‘05 Beach DPL Team is a newly formed team for the ‘17-‘18 DPL season made up of players from their SB and LB players that are not playing DA. So your conclusion that “they sucked” is false narrative.
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Kicker I did notice that some 05 teams named their top team that would become the DA DPL. Just like some teams started to use the EGSL name the year before the team was eligible for ECNL. I don’t think it was to con anyone thou but rather because the teams participated in a Showcase maybe? After all why would they want to convince the top team that they are second best.
 
Fact said:
Kicker I did notice that some 05 teams named their top team that would become the DA DPL. Just like some teams started to use the EGSL name the year before the team was eligible for ECNL. I don’t think it was to con anyone thou but rather because the teams participated in a Showcase maybe? After all why would they want to convince the top team that they are second best.
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Not the case. Look at that teams listing in SCDSL, I know the team, the families and I GUARNATEE that LY there was no combo team or tournament team in place for CRL. If there had, it would NOT be called DPL or Per-DPL, it would have been Pre-Academy as all the other Academy/DPL Clubs have done.
 
MWN said:
All I can tell you is that Beach called their team for the 2017 CRL season with the name "Beach FC SB G05 DPL" see:

https://2017crlleagueseason.sportsaffinity.com/m/tour/standing.aspx?flightguid=4CA7D3BF-40CD-4A54-A39A-1D5A4D204636&tournamentguid=D388082C-745C-4D0B-B45D-8D225EAC7B94&sessionguid=&flightname=Girls U13/2005

All I'm really saying is the team labeled by BEACH - Beach FC SB G05 DPL came in last place in the 2017 CRL season per the standings above. The fact that there was no 2005 DPL age bracket is an indictment on Beach and the misleading nature of the league.
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The strange thing about that site you referenced is that no matter what team you select for Contact Info, it defaults to LAGSD Pre-Academy. So something is fishy with that site.

I know that ‘05 is not in your wheelhouse of intimate knowledge and all I am trying to do is clear the air so that your arguement is not invalidated by bad information. I know this team very well and can honestly tell you that they did not refer to themselves as a DPL team last year.

This Team ID has become the DPL team for the ‘18/‘19 season but under a new coach as the previous Coach (who took over mid year) became the ‘05 DA. You can check the tournaments, the actual CRL schedule from last season (if you can find it) or pM me and I’ll give you more info.

I will close with I am also one to call out teams using false monikers, so I am not trolling you. I do see where you got your info, I’m just sayingg that that source is inaccurate.
 
Justafan said:
JoeZ, you are telling us that you are “just now learning what DPL is all about and it’s level of competitiveness,” yet you are certain that it is superior to flight 1 and premiere, and on par with ECNL.

Relax Joe, take a deep breath because everything is going to be ok. It’s obvious that your ego took a hit going from ECNL to DPL and you’re concerned about the prestige of DPL.

Remember it’s always about your player first. Your PARTICULAR team may well be as good as several ECNL teams and lower DA teams, but that is true of top flight 1 and premiere teams.

But you have to stop trying so hard to promote DPL’s superiority. Your trying to con a conman, and we are all conmen on this forum. It’s not going to work.
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Justafan, I really enjoy seeing these replies and how people like you and Fact react.

One thing is certain. You, Fact and some people from CRL and Flight 1-2 have some deep resentments and even some anger over these new leagues. Got it.

I will give this new league a chance.

Many thanks and good luck next season.
 
Fact said:
***correction- I think we can all agree that SOME of the top DPL teams play on par with Gold/Premier CSL and Flight 1 SCDSL HOWEVER SOME DPL teams are mid level Silver or Flight 2 at best.
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Fact, thank you for your opinions
MWN said:
A few quick points:
You wrote:

The DA rules define players into two categories full-time "FT" and development players "DP." FT players must start at least 25% of the season and DP players cannot play more than 6 games. DP players must play with the club. DA teams can pull DP players to fill roster spots from any club team ... a flight 3 player is legal, as well as, flight 2, flight 1, DPL, etc. By allowing DA clubs to pull any player from the club up to the DA as a "development player" its benefits the level of competition and the players themselves.

You imply that the DPL disallows guest players, which is why teams may be less competitive. I'm surprised that the DPL won't let players "club pass" onto teams/games. If true (I have no reason to doubt it), then this presents a major negative to the league because the level of competition isn't maintained.

The benefit of playing with a larger club with various levels of play is that players can move up the ranks during the season and shift down (at least in the SCDSL ... CSL has stricter rules). It maintains competition and helps players. Locking players with is dumb and hurts competition and development.

I think we can all agree though that in light of the fact that the level of play in the DPL is on par with Gold/Premier in CSL and Flight 1 in SCDSL the league isn't really necessary. That said, as long as parents are not being fed misleading information and as long as clubs do not capitalize on the confusion, then to each their own.
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MWN, not saying one cannot pull players up to guest from the lower levels but who does that? I’ve only been in this club thing 9 years and I have never seen a coach guest a player that they didn’t think would benefit the team. They pull the best players they can get. Like I said take a couple top 03s to play on 02 or top 04 to play 03... If there is a strong developing flight 1 player yes of course bring them up to see how they do, but that’s rare. Maybe it happens more I just haven’t seen it myself. I can only share what I have seen.

Thanks again for you feedback
 
G03 CRL Play-In was this weekend. LAGSD was the only DPL team listed in the brackets. They lost ALL THREE games. Including a 0-1 loss to Crown City United..a team that finished 2nd in their bracket in CSL. Almost forgot..(not really...just trying to make it suspenseful)...wait for it...CCU is a SILVER ELITE team!!
So please tell me again who DPL is on par with.......
Where's the crickets emoji when I need it?!?! :eek:
 
pewpew said:
G03 CRL Play-In was this weekend. LAGSD was the only DPL team listed in the brackets. They lost ALL THREE games. Including a 0-1 loss to Crown City United..a team that finished 2nd in their bracket in CSL. Almost forgot..(not really...just trying to make it suspenseful)...wait for it...CCU is a SILVER ELITE team!!
So please tell me again who DPL is on par with.......
Where's the crickets emoji when I need it?!?! :eek:
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Don’t forget this year the G03 Pilot formed. For this age group the new DPL team is for sure not the B team!
 
pewpew said:
G03 CRL Play-In was this weekend. LAGSD was the only DPL team listed in the brackets. They lost ALL THREE games. Including a 0-1 loss to Crown City United..a team that finished 2nd in their bracket in CSL. Almost forgot..(not really...just trying to make it suspenseful)...wait for it...CCU is a SILVER ELITE team!!
So please tell me again who DPL is on par with.......
Where's the crickets emoji when I need it?!?! :eek:
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This team is basically the same team that played in Silver Elite Coast before DA. So how does the name change to DPL magically make them better than CSL and SCDSL teams?
 
pewpew said:
G03 CRL Play-In was this weekend. LAGSD was the only DPL team listed in the brackets. They lost ALL THREE games. Including a 0-1 loss to Crown City United..a team that finished 2nd in their bracket in CSL. Almost forgot..(not really...just trying to make it suspenseful)...wait for it...CCU is a SILVER ELITE team!!
So please tell me again who DPL is on par with.......
Where's the crickets emoji when I need it?!?! :eek:
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At least the LAGSD team went out to compete. That is one important life lesson that we want our player to learn through competitive sports.

Other than Legends, who can produce DPL teams that can make it to National Cup semi-finals, most clubs don’t appear to have the depth to form high-level DPL teams. Credit LAGSD for trying.

I know of another club that was not able to form a 2002 DPL team that recruited a Silver/Flight 2 level team in to be their DPL team. The families were lured by the promise of playing at “the highest level.” If you ignore CRL, National Cup and open showcase results, you might just be able to maintain this belief.

I am not sure what life lesions are being taught by doing so, but it is what it is. Good luck to everyone.
 
Fact said:
03 A team players will be playing on the 02/03 combo team. Sorry but it the truth.
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There will be talent playing on the 03 Pilot, a fact! We can come back to this discussion as the season evolves to prove it! Development is not about teams!
 
Dummy said:
At least the LAGSD team went out to compete. That is one important life lesson that we want our player to learn through competitive sports.

Other than Legends, who can produce DPL teams that can make it to National Cup semi-finals, most clubs don’t appear to have the depth to form high-level DPL teams. Credit LAGSD for trying.

I know of another club that was not able to form a 2002 DPL team that recruited a Silver/Flight 2 level team in to be their DPL team. The families were lured by the promise of playing at “the highest level.” If you ignore CRL, National Cup and open showcase results, you might just be able to maintain this belief.

I am not sure what life lesions are being taught by doing so, but it is what it is. Good luck to everyone.
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We try to teach our kids to be true to yourself and who you are. Don't try to be something you aren't.

You just made the best argument above as to why the DPL League should never have been formed in the first place.

So basically the 02 club/team you spoke of used the business model of duping people into buying something
that was really nothing.

And the life lessons being taught are to always read the fine print. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

And that life is full of choices. We have to live/learn from the choices we make.

(I tried to insert my answers between your paragraphs but I'm not smart enough to figure that stuff out. What can I say...I'm a DPL Dad..:eek:)
Just kidding. I'm smarter in that respect.
 
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